How could I lost 40 pts to some team of 130 Nemesis when I have a team of 100, 110, 105? Then I will gained 17 pts from defending another team of 130???
I never see any 20 points or more gain from any PVP attack!
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@thewire Tell me about it. I stopped bothering with PvP Arena for quite some time, it's a waste of time in the current state. Doing it only for the daily rewards.

@esentis

@Dr.-Catterall Well they said they are working on it ^^ At least for better trophies.

The matchmaking sucks too constantly matching with Legendary 3 rank when I m Gold 1

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Basically PvP is not really fun and just encourages strong defenses. A game should encourage participation to get better and allowing players to win more would do that. The problem seems to come from the 4k trophy limit to get better rewards. They don't want everyone getting better rewards.

Well lets be real the problem is that the rewards aren't at all worth it.

The PvP points system was actually working fairly well until a couple of seasons ago when they changed it. Before then, I reckon about 6-7000 players were able to get into Legendary and the threshold to L3 was somewhere around 4.5-4.6k trophies. With the new points system it is extremely more difficult to get into Legendary. I think it's less than 2000 players that can make it! The threshold to L3 has also dropped significantly. I just slipped in with 4.162k trophies coming in 496th....

.... I am honestly not sure why they did that. For many players it was pretty much the only reliable source of a gold relic. One every couple of weeks - wow! @Fox please consider changing the system back to what it was!

And I am saying that even though the new system made it waaaaaaaay easier for me to get into L3. I just think that it was better for the ML community as a whole!!!

@David-ML

Let's see if the Leagues and the number of people in them are build up logically .

Now we have the following situation:

L I: 1-30 (30 players)
L 2: 31-100 (70 players, 2,5 times as many players as in L I)
L 3: 101-500 (400 players, 6 times as many players as in L II)
L 4: 501-approximately 2000 (circa 1500 players, 4 times as many as in L III)

So if your estimates are correct then L IV indeed is relatively small, since you would expect about 12 times as many players as in L III, which corresponds much better to the old situation in which you estimated 6-7000 players in L IV.

@David-ML Well it's not about the limited number to get into legendary but it's about matchmaking. How you can you match someone with in Gold 1 to face people in Legendary 3??? and I keep getting attack from people with 130 Nemesis monsters and I lost 40 points? I never see any 40 pts gained if I attacked a team of 130 or defended a team of 130 either.

Just now I go into the PVP, refreshed twice, I see all rank 3 Legendary teams and 1 rank 4 legendary team while I am Gold 1 rank..

At this rate, it's pointless to even play this game.

my biggest beef is that when I use gold to refresh i get up to all three of the same people to fight. There is a reson I refresh, and it is not to fight the same lads

@thewire you tend to match players about 100-300 trophies above you. When the cut off to L3 was around the 4.3-4.6k trophie mark, it meant that at the top end of Gold 1 you were matching only L4s. Now you get L3s as the threshold has dropped significantly, yet the matchmaking algorithm is still the same. When I ended up in L3, I only got L2s and even the odd L1 to choose from!!!

SP really needs to undo whatever they did. It hurts a lot of players and only causes more frustration!!!

@David-ML agreed, last season was wierd, one day in Leg 3 next day in gold 1, a few wins and back in leg 3 XD

I'm in exactly the same scenario. Season before last, I finished in L3 for the first time but did it with 4218 trophies, ranked 388. I've previously had 4.4k and still stayed L4 so I can't really complain about that. My gripe is the rewards for a defense are way down but I still lose 30+ when attacked and revenges are often worthless.

I was level 46 when i reached Gold I
How would anyone expect me to win with level 100 monsters (unranked) with levl 85 monsters (still unranked) in my defence!!! I had to face lvl 130 Timerion, Hackster, Voltaik and Nemesis monsters.
I was so determined but i then realized it was all for nothing i wasted my time just to get dropped from 3700 to 3200 within a span of 4 days (maybe less).

My resume of pvp lately:

I start for example in Legend IV, my opponents all Legend II, luckily a few legend III Full of nemesis /warmasters 130, max level diamond relics. Refresh... at least 2 are the same opponents as before. Repeat until no more refreshes left. So , normally, I have to fight one of the initial opponents I didn’t want to.
My monsters are 120. Start the fight. I use aoe... miss miss miss, maybe some hits. Opponent attacks... normally all hits. I attack again, miss miss miss. He gets special attack. My monsters cc’ed, probably one down. He gets another special attack... if any of my monsters survives, guess what? Attack and usually.. yeah, thats it. Another damn miss. Enemy finishes me off (maybe getting another special attack?)

I manage to win several fights, but it is so damn ridiculous. And when I win, i get 20 points vs these much higher opponents. I get attacked by them, I lose 30 or more.

Pve is boring as hell... always same dungeons, same things.
Some survival dungeon events as new content, but ofc very difficult to succeed.
Rewards being reduced slowly...
Did anyone notice that there are no more discount events to unlock rune slots, for example? Yeah... another hidden greedy trick from sp.
They screw it so badly with unilateral changes like the cc change, and they give... change of skills for gold and 50% gems price to remove runes during a couple of weeks... LOL! That greedy attitude always....

So, resuming: Pvp is a nightmare, only brings me bad feelings. Pve is extremely boring. Rewards are a joke (not to mention gold and food dungeons for high levels....roulette rewards...lol) pay to win everywhere... overwhelming number of stupid sales , “offers” every day, breeding events are a scam, 72h events are a joke, team wars /races unfair most of the times...

There are a few improvements/good things, but the bad things/mistakes/bad decisions/greediness/bugs/hidden scams, etc are winning by far, at least it is my feeling.

I can continue... but why bothering... the future seems really bad. The joy to play this game is getting smaller and smaller each week.

@Gallofus For the 72hr challenge its better to be low level and never ever touch the adventure map. Its why I've started a new Alt yesterday... clearing space takes forever though to get pandaken ready.

@Dr.-Catterall not the case with the coming 72h because its for all the same points only for pvp

@Marianne-van-Es it makes me wonder whether the new 72 hour challenge format is the real reason for the PvP point system change?!?!

@David-ML I have no idea I only know I had 4040 something points at end of last season, the season before that it was 4200 something

@Ekto-Gamat much less than 2000 in L4:

@David-ML wow that's pretty amazing, no idea the pool was so small. No wonder i just see the same 12 people for pvp attacks.

@testcyp yes, that's why the point system needs to be changed back to what it was when the new PvP system is implemented or nobody will be able to go up. I am pretty sure that we currently have almost a net loss in points!