What do you feel the furture of monster legends is

@RDT925 Honestly it'll not be that good cuz people are already quiting the game with all the recent updates they have not stopped releasing new monsters but still refuse to give new islands.
In the very beginning u had vips who were bought by many people but they got crushed once the nemesis came and now we have warmasters and in a couple of years something else(if they last).
The truth i used to play this gane a long time ago when the latest monster was the white walker, when there were no events ,no teams etc.
But now its all jumbled with the ratio of legendaries and epics/rare/uncommon
20:1.
I have no idea what the devs are trying to do.

Not happy about the game right now and if they keep things like this, people WILL leave the game.

Honestly in my opinion as many vet players who are leaving there are just as many newbies joining. While I do not agree with a lot of the changes they are making there are still many that I do. Events for me have stopped being about getting the new monsters and become more about getting resources or duplicates to extract. PvP is eeh, I can take it or leave it. Breeding events have become a joke and I barely participate in them but there are still enough features to keep me occupied and entertained. Although the biggest change that I see has been less about free to play and more about pay more to play I still think it has a future for several more years. Whether I am still around to play it is debatable but I do think it still has a future.

Now if only we can get them to spend as much time fixing bugs and issues as they do creating and releasing these chests we would be golden. While I do not like most of them I will not lie there are some that I do purchase, some I get good resources out of and some I just crap out. But as long as I am the one pushing that button I have no one to blame for it except myself.

IMO, the game is slowly dying. Not in players, but in relevancy. The adventure map islands (for anyone who does them) only come once every decade, there's not enough space for the pros to get more legendaries, the PVP battle selection AI is terrible, the PVP rewards are mediocre, the WarMasters just slowly get more OP and more OP until they break the game, the dungeons give terrible rewards other than gems and maybe like 10 elementium, they're adding way to many legendary monsters for no apparent reason, the old legendaries are useless unless you farm gold (but even then they have lower Gold/minute), team wars is boring unless you very easily entertained, monsterwood just crashes you half the time, fibre and supersonic are scum of the earth and the game is way to repetitive.

This game at the moment is literally just:

• Get a deny and put speed runes on it.

• Get a support and put team speed runes on it (with maybe a life rune if its life is rubbish)

• Get a attacker and put strength runes on it.

• Do this about 1000 times for every book and every element and six for PVP.

• Do random, repetitive dungeons for gems/elementium.

• Rank up monsters.

• Once you have about 70 legendaries all ranked up and have runes, Think to yourself "Now what do I do?"

• Realise there's nothing to do, you essentially beat the game now.

• Quit or start over.

Over many years, I've been playing before team wars, metal, freeze, runes and all that jazz, and whilst at first I thought the game was going swell, now I realise it is kind of screwed unless the dev's fix everything and maybe pay attention to the forum a bit more (I know it's hard when you have people post things with literally just the letter a, but it's possible).

I might just make this its own post. Why not.

I give a warning here about this thread it will be closed as soon as it get poisonous or a lot of unfounded criticism.

Nobody can look in the future, lots can be gained with communication and I know SP is working on that part, changes in how a company is set in its ways dont come overnight.

@Marianne-van-Es Or you could warn / remove the comments that spread toxicity and leave the thread open.

@RDT925 Honestly I'm feeling like the game just gotten kinda boring. The game focuses so much on having events, and new stuff. With this philosophy it has caused to game to stagnate. I would love more chapters with older monsters in the library, ftp nemesis dungeons back, hatching guardian, and etc. These things won't happen because money still has to be made in some form

@RDT925 said in What do you feel:

What do you feel the furture of monster legends is

I feel that the future is dim.
At this point, I only log in once a day. Sometimes I skip days.

There seems to be a push from the devs and some mods, implying that there is some great stuff planned for the future. But the recent changes have all been bad, in my opinion. I have no confidence that the designers can implement anything that will be interesting. And any big changes will likely be half-baked.

Recent changes/additions that have me lose confidence in the devs:
Titan Invasions. (half baked)
Battlegrounds. (half-baked)
72H challenge - now a completely convoluted system where the more you try, the less coins you get? Absurd.
Mazes - no more guaranteed 30% last discount
Removal of Nemesis Dungeons
Crazy jumps in powercreep via WarMasters.
Races - more and more Epic Nodes

Sad thing is, I have over 8k Heroic Orbs, and 2,700 gems.

@Dr.-Catterall or we can just act as civil people and not make rant posts and breaking forum rules, share criticism based on arguments without calling sp employees names

@MonstrousManiac Yes money is always the priority whoever says otherwise he's delusional. However this is not the problem. Not from my point of view at least. What I would love to see in the future to keep me hooked :

• Richer lore. It's a role playing game with almost no story. I love reading flavor texts and back stories from the monsters. Yes I'm geek.

• More transparent events. For example giving out percentages for breeding and more detailed descriptions for the events. Almost no one knew that the breeding part of the Mishka was just for the key and the dungeon was going to give only 50 cells. Shady tactic in my opinion. You should have said that the whole "free" part of the event was giving just 50 cells.

• Please please more space. At least make an official announcement if you are planning on increasing habitats and if you are not at least give us the reason. People are paying money for the game, and some of them a lot. They deserve to know. Don't you see the irony in this ? How am I supposed to pay you for the monsters If you want me to pay more to store it ?

• Changing monster midway race ain't cool. And yes I'm talking about patient cyber. If you want constructive criticism about your future to be monsters and you feel that they are either overpowered or underwhelming, make a new thread here where you (SP) will post the skills and the design of the monster and we can all talk about it. We are still doing it but after looking for leaks.

There are more stuff but I'll go with those for now.
I hope this post won't be counted as "toxic".

I am really enjoying the game and hope it lasts many more years to come. I Think SP are definitely working on improvements you mention or bugs reported (some of which i entirely agree with) but need time, why not give Them that time and see how it goes. Critisism is something we all deal with ,but if it is Said in a respectful manner, imo ,then we Will get much further ( i for one dont really Care for one who talks disrespectively towards me) SP Cant please some ,all the time, and they Cant please all ,some of the time. I, like Marianne never gamble on chests without knowing outcome, and instead choose to be patient and wait for a the nemesis Dungeons to make a return.

Do sp and mods. Have a hider nick

@RDT925 said in What do you feel:

Have a hider nick

I have no idea what you mean

@esentis said in What do you feel:

• Richer lore. It's a role playing game with almost no story. I love reading flavor texts and back stories from the monsters. Yes I'm geek.

Completely agree. Give us the chance to play through the monsters backstory, not just read about it. Like playing through the creation of the Mountain trio (Ouros, Igursus and Cryotan), for example.

I share the opinion of many, unfortunately I do not give more than 2 years and it's really pity

Too many events are coming out without the bugs being fixed.
There are more and more problems of matchmaking (the only event that does not have any problems on it is the battleground).
Many old players stop and many new players are children.

SP is a business and obviously for profit, nobody works for the glory and it’s normal.
But when there will be only children, the money will not come back ... and so, unfortunately, it will be the end of the game .
Several members sent post at the assistance but, unfortunately that are not taken heard.

The ideas for the new events are generally good but unfortunately the old bug are still not fixed

The races are now overpriced ...

At the beginning of the year ingurus (or last year) was lvl 130 for 36 laps, now it takes 50 laps for a 120 ...

the number of monsters increase but not the habitat.
Of course there is the chest but we have to spend gems, again and again.
I really do not understand.

Maze are too hard if you want all the monsters become even by following the 4h cycle, especially when there is a breeding event (like now) at the same time and I don’t talk about progressives or 72/24 hours.

When you contact the assistance for a problem the answer are not the same ...
(I spent by error 350 elementium on the race when I rank up pandaken, and never give them back ... « impossible » another gamer did quite the same thing and the elementiums were refund...)

It's a pity, I really enjoyed this game but to blame too much we end up losing everything and sp should keep this in mind.

I really thanks rtd925 for this post and i sincerely hope it will be read and understood by sp.

Kindly note that I enjoy (now a little bit less) this game, that’s why I give my opinion.

One thing they need to understand they can no longer rely on face book to supply them with a never ending supply of new players you little vedios are not working

The future? This game is essentially rock, paper, scissors with a couple additional dimensions and a resource gathering / choke point model laid on top of it. Outside of monster collectors, every aspect of this game boils down to 3v3 monster battles. That doesn’t have to be a bad thing really. I personally believe that the fundamental game model, being so simple and sustainable, has potential that people can jump into and enjoy quickly.

I am going to talk in generalities. I believe that the biggest issue this game faces is the cocktail of progression plateau, rate of change, and level of transaction monetization. Power creep in general I have no problem with, as it is necessary to keep a player base engaged and challenged. But if you were serious about putting dollar values to what it takes to get a single monster to “end game” at level 130 with relics and runes, I think would find that value to be close to $100-$200 for monsters that aren’t exclusives. That assumes you take advantage of in game ftp mechanics. The main challenge with ftp playing is pace - by the time your best monster is top level they will be much less relevant and useful. Multiply that by the variations of books and elements needed for game playing and the issue compounds on itself. And if you were ftp and a game mechanic change undermines the work you put in for a year ranking up a couple of monsters? Ouch.

The advantage of being a paying player is too great, but the cost of being a paying player is also very high - leading to a small group of players who will perpetually be at the top of the game. The main issue there is that when that happens, much of the rest of the low paying or non paying population feels disincentivized to continue, and even the wealthy top tier don’t want to play a game with nobody else in it. As someone who spends more than most, this is the future that I fear will be the fate of the game in the near term.

Ideally the team will look at ways to make lower tier players feel more relevant and give them a whiff of what being a top tier feels like without threatening that paying customers will lose their advantage. I think this should be done without monetization - what you’re after is longevity of the population base so that people are excited about the new “thing” in a way that keeps them engaged. For example, once a month Dr Victor could allow you to exchange cells of monsters for another, up to 1000 total, but you pick your single monster in advance and it’s not one of the current best. The specific example isn’t important at all, the principle is.

@esentis Exactly, we should have more information on the monster whether they are Commons ,uncommon ,rares ,epics or legendaries.
There is a back story to each and every monster in the game but they are all incomplete.
For example check Bon Bon (rare:earth +lightning)which takes about a really powerful monster but we do not have any other information about it.

The only thing social point is doing is releasing monsters with amazing (incomplete) stories.

But that's the smallest issue we are facing.
The unfair way we are being treated whether it's a P2w or a F2p player both are facing issues.
All the posts that are in this thread are of Great Importance as it is showing the feeling of players towards the future of this game and the players.

Back to the stories:
What war occurred that made pandalf to create a portal which on entering had side effects on "them" that turned them into monsters
The same war which created the Mountain Brothers.
The story of Barbatos and The Inheritor.
The story of Barbados and Barbael
The story of almost released monster Cain who turned Count Vlad into a vampire.
And numerous other if y'all know any please mention.

Why is Social Point refusing to give habitats when they are constantly adding new monsters every week!!!.

Why can't we have an easier way to change our island layout instead dragging everything one at a time.
There are numerous other things that I want to say.

In the end I just hope we don't have to watch as the game dies out and probably the many people I've met in the forums just quit the game and the community.
Why can't social point be fair in gameplay instead of greed for money so that we all stay as a family.

@Dr.-Catterall said in What do you feel:
This game at the moment is literally just:

• Get a deny and put speed runes on it.

• Get a support and put team speed runes on it (with maybe a life rune if its life is rubbish)

• Get a attacker and put strength runes on it.

• Do this about 1000 times for every book and every element and six for PVP.

Well yes, that is the game for people without any imagination or creativity.

The simple game of speed denial, hit and support has been gone since the introduction of generals three years ago. It became even less relevant when VIPS/Bulwark was introduced, when the lab came around, artifacts became more commonly available, resurrection was not just limited to Uriel, relics were introduced, chain denial was nerfed, et cetera.

I could mention a lot of things SP did not get right recently or in the past, but in general the game has become far more interesting over the years. I hope SP will be able to continue making things more interesting for at least another few years.

....the biggest gripe I have with SP is their rock bottom low, Guinness Book of Records worthy, absolutely worst customer support I have EVER experience in my life!!! I can see how this turns off players and I know of a few that have stopped playing because of this!

The game itself has still plenty to offer despite various issues and probably won't go down in a hurry....

Very interesting opinions (and very civil!) Let's try to keep it like that. our comments are being read!
@Marianne-van-Es, is up to you, but I think that for now, this topic can remain open; all opinions are valid, even if they are not nice to hear.

About the lore, I would love to deliver to you all the stories that we have, explaining ML and their multiverses... But is true that we prefer to fix other things before.

And here is not the place to mention this, but In Monster Legends Multiverse, there are 3 universes, Medieval, Modern and Space, all connected by magical portals. (Chapter 0 :P)

Dunno how the future looks like, there will always be plenty of people to play the game like machines , no creativity because for new players all this is pretty confusing i'm sure, i play for 5 years and i'm going on and about my monsters skills like a zombie till i decide i'll just leave them as they are even with all the mega changes...but FACT is, from top 30 -30 players team , my team is down to 20 peeps and around top 200 somewhere , we've been forced to sell our monsters to drop the MP coz of the really really bad war matchmaking again due to no difference in MP for the different cat's of monsters ( nemesis/legend/epic..- runes/relics ...etc ) ..., the rest we manage to recruit just come and go looking for teams that give free candy ( note- ranked race monsters ) without any sort of thought of actually becoming part of a team to grow with ...it's all a mumbo jumbo in teams under top 50 i'd say and it's really sad to see so many good players leaving the game .., my 2 cents is that we need better support, better information system and slower development of new important monsters like the warmasters ...more testing before release , don't make us spend moneys on good monsters and then change their potential , that's just not nice and you have another wave of people leaving the game because they feel they've been mistreated ..these are my thoughts on this ( without writing a book )

Marianne giving warnings to everyone that this post will be closed if there is too much criticism. Defending SP always, no matter what. Over and over and over
(Haka taka is missed every day more and more by most of us)

Probably I will be censored too ( this will give me the reason tho) but I will try to express my opinion:

Are there good changes (for me) in this game lately? Yes, there are some. Of course. This common thought that everything is bad is not objetive at all.

Are there bad changes? Yes, and a lot.
The feeling that everything is extremely oriented to get as much profit as they can, that ,as explained in this thread, there are several shady things that should be stopped asap, unilateral decisions that affect a lot the game and products (monsters mainly) that have been purchased with money, simplicity in many events making them very repetitive, pvp system extremely bad, slowly cutting down free gems/elementium, and many other things that have been said and I wont repeat.

This game could be much better if SP decides to stop a bit the greediness (probably impossed by Take Two, I know) to stop developing new monsters almost weekly ( they are super repetitive in most of the cases, they lose value because of this extreme saturation ) to listen to the community in relevant and obvious matters (monster space, matching system, repetitive events, low and outdated rewards)

If they dont see this and they keep the spending pressure, it will be money for now and nothing for tomorrow. This game has (had?) potential. You can still fix it.

** Remember that there are many other nice games, some of them with an incredible customer support and treatment from the owner company. When they screw up with something, they give valuable stuff for free as compensation. These actions really make the difference when you try to decide to spend money or not.

@jacinto How nice we can agree on something We both miss @Haka-Taka

@Carlos said in What do you feel:

is up to you, but I think that for now, this topic can remain open; all opinions are valid, even if they are not nice to hear.

Maybe reopen my thread about your customer service. It was constructive and civil until it was removed because it had the potential to be inflammatory!

Hello everybody
I'm rather pessimistic about the future of the game, although I've been enjoying the game for more than 3 years.
Some players aren't heard and answered (half a dozen messages sent), eventhough demands and comments are fair. PVP is getting harder and harder for average players to even try playing. The matchmaking is definitely unfair.
It's getting harder and harder to improve our level without paying.
New monsters keep on being released and at the same time we don't have enough space to put them. Why not increase the capacity of legendary habitats? Still no answer about this issue…
The chest is not the answer as we have to pay for it.
Well, I wish we will be heard and provided with real answers...for once
Because I care for the game

@king-monster communication is still not the best quality of SP, but I can assure you are being heard most of the things you mentioned are being discussed and hopefully we see some news about it in the near future

I think the introduction of gambling chests was an absolute catastrophe. I cannot stand having to take a chance on buying crap just to get what I want. I have absolutely no problem buying the product that I want. If I wanted Samael, I would buy Samael. But I do not want 50 Dracontium cells, I want Samael. I want the specific Samael I'm looking for too. Hopefully the EU will crack down on this ASAP and SP will let their customers buy the product they intend on buying. I don't go to the ice cream shop and pay cash for a 99 only to be handed a raw onion

@Stvrox This is one of the worst things. This decision is terrible but apparently many people are buying those stupid chests and not helping in this matter at all.
The chest concept, which is a repulsive concept in a game full of kids/teenagers, it's even worst in many situations because the chances to get prices are not written anywhere (i.e chances to get a 4*monster?? - has anyone got one ever??)
Besides, the chests that they claim there is a 50% chance, for example, is there any way to check that in fact is that chance in the code? Is anyone actually able to audit these things?

Expressing on what " We about the game's future is an eye opener for sp, i hope, and perhaps It Would be in Their own interest if they Would also be so kind as to give Their own Answer the same question "What do you feel" about the games future SP?
I imagine sp have plans, for example after Warmasters?
Would that mean even stronger monsters? If so, how Will you balance game so that more and more monsters dont just become obselete? A Golden oldies book perhaps?
I dont know, but Reading all these comments, a few suggestions/Future ideas as to What SP maybe have up Their sleeve Would, help and put many players concerns to bed.
I agree totally about the chests, not good for Anyone.

Comments in here seem very appropriate and I hope useful to the SP team. I’m likewise sad to see Hara Taka leave but I’m in the same boat as my teammate @Meowr in not feeling very hopeful and logging in maybe once a day. Our tops bases are in the same shape which means wars have shut down which means any active player won’t stay much longer. I’m a software developer myself and always wanted feedback and especially why someone was shifting away from my software towards something else. I’m very pleased with the mods and devs here, especially
@Carlos who has a good ear

In a nutshell the game has gotten waaaaaaaaaay too expensive to play, both in terms of $ and effort. This combined with major powercreep and no confidence $ spent on monsters won’t be wasted due to nerfs or rule changes has been very disappointing.

@Meowr mentioned the events. The ones with new ever increasingly OP monsters are designed to be impossible to get except for significant gems (progressives and mazes), and offers of old monsters are not interesting as you need so very many cells to get to rank 5. The 72hr system literally punishes players who grow in levels. This is insane. On the team races three of us basically have to bankroll the event. There are dozens of nodes utterly impossible to pass without just buying them out, it’s like a big dialogue box that says ‘Please enter $10 to continue to play” which often repeats the next node. Breeding events? Low, low odds gambling that costs as many gems to rush eggknocks as it would cost to buy the reward monster outright. Then you have to pay for yet another vault slot to hold it.

Ironically the change to the control system was both a great much needed “fix” to address the current meta and to improve the future of the game, while at the same time left many spenders feeling like dot com bust stockholders seeing their favorite holdings slashed in value, wary for the future.

I must also agree with the posters here who note gambling has gotten completely out of hand. The Nemesis dungeons were a fantastically good invention that allowed regular folks to get some great monsters over a long time frame and encouraged them to rank up their best monsters. Then as they reached 70 cells and were dying for one more to reach the minimum 80... they disappeared. Not only that, their best skills in group 4 could no longer be reached at 105, but at 115. A massive increase in $ for the same effectiveness. It wasn’t so very long ago VIP monsters were the pinnacle of the game and for $19.99 you could get the one you want. Now you could easily spend $49 or $99 on a chest and still not get what you want... and new OP event top prizes make every VIP but Zyla look like a joke.

Standard response is ‘well no one is forcing you to pay or gamble or play the 3-4 concurrent events’, and that’s true, but the gap between f2p and p2w has become a chasm. Again as a dev I want SP to make money and thrive, but as a player I am sick to my stomach at home much I have spent on the game, 10-20x more than all previous games combined. And it’s been fun, but I’m done with spending ($0 or possibly a gem pack per month). And with that, my chances to compete for new exciting stuff in virtually every event goes poof. Am I exaggerating? Let’s look at what is going on today:

• My new Zahra is hatching. Wowza her skills at 100 are bad. Love the trait and caster status but not very viable at 100.
• Team war facing yet another team flush with X runes and purples and 130s. We have no chance.
• 72hr. I finally went over 100 and will skip as I won’t even come close to getting top minster which I would melt into cells anyway
• Cain is being released, though I have no chance to get him. He’s got multiple traits and evasion and xtra turns and makes many of my favorite monsters look like a joke.
• Viktors Lab. Man I have spent sooooooo much in the past in these. Initially a great way to get a quick rank one monster now I see I need 370 to 740 for every one I care about and can’t afford to keep this up.
• Epic breeding. “Best” Epics? Tao Tao and Frank N Stein? Better just to buy the current epic triple pack. Though I would need 3-8 packs to rank what I have.
• Hunters maze with stuff I already have ranked plus a great new monster I have no chance to reach
• Offers are no longer $19.99 (which before ML I would never spend on one item), but $50 for orbs, $50 for Burotgor one Rune and a relic crapshoot, or $100 for rank 0 monster literally no one uses plus $70 worth of gems and a $10 rune (????)

Overall I’m at the point where I have invested very heavily in the game but feel like future progress will only come now by doubling down on $ to play. Not trying to dump on the game and especially not devs, just being honest about where I’m at and why I am barely logging in anymore. I have enough of a gem and orb stockpile I will ride out the release of all WM, when I expect they will start a new round of must-have super powerful game additions like maybe their pets when the $ cycle starts all over again. I was the top You Tuber for a game called Rival Kingdoms and quit cold turkey shortly after they went nuts with gambling and team peer pressure spending and massive powercreep. I hope SP doesn’t continue down that path but I’m certain this path is not random but is a proven approach to maximize revenue. Awkward situation for devs who I know love to create fun exciting new things the players will love while the corporate strategy works against that to increase player frustration til they bail.

@BaxAttacks A really thought out sensible post basically outlines I think what every Ml player is feeling in a nutshell, wish I could upvote it 100 times, but there is the problem it really wouldn’t matter if it was upvoted 1000 times nothing would change this is the way the game is going and no amount of our posts are going to change anything which is sad but true.

So i hope everyone reads this and we have to wait and see naturally but after reading this you know that SP is reading and care about your opinion
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/10319/what-s-coming

@Marianne-van-Es I read it marianne and glad u brought it up as I wanted to reply to it, obviously it sounds great in theory but knowing sp as we do might not work out like that a lot of it is very vague rewards for example sp know everyone wants to go back to gem rewards but I very much doubt we will get that new war matching well heard that before also the smoke and mirrors were working on something well let’s see. But again just to reiterate it all sounds good in theory let’s see on 29th if it is. Also I maybe wrong but can see the pvp changes being heavily on the side of the ptp but again I maybe wrong about it all and the changes are fantastic and everyone in community will be happy, sounds to good to be true that though .

@callumarachnoid lol can we first wait and see

One aspect I really have trouble with is the content behind a gamble wall. Combining breeding events with dungeons is pretty disheartening. Many players have stopped participating in breeding events since chances are so low anyway, so this feels like a push to force them to participate again.
To top that off, the key for the mentioned dungeon can only be purchased for money - not gems.
If I wanted to gamble I'd install a hideous casino app.

To add to Davids comment, with which I totally agree: My main reason to stop spending money on this game was the customer support. The answers I got on issues I had were borderline rude and the solutions far from satisfying.

It made me kinda bitter about the game and I now just assume per default malicious intend by SP.
Just as an general examples:

• Why is there only the option to get a popup for purchases greater 20 gems?
• Why did they never fix the reward screen on the roulette wheel? It has been like that forever and I know of several people sending them feedback on this. At this point I have to assume it is intentionally misleading. Fixing this GUI is pretty much a string change and maybe rearranging of the buttons and it would be perfectly understandable. I'm sure it generates a nice flow of gems the way it is though...

Pretty sad that I'm in this state. Not quite there yet to quit, but I'm really not that far off.

Ya, actually here's a thought. Instead of useless battle items in the roulette wheel, why not orbs? It's not like you'll be giving away a fortune anyway, probably 5 a week if gems are a guideline but it would just add a little feelgood factor....
And aside from all the criticism, please keep running the nemesis survival dungeons. I figure you'll never give us back the cells dungeons but at least I can pick up a couple of hundred orbs once a month to make me feel appreciated for the money I spent getting a few Nemesis (back when I could buy the ones I wanted)

This update doesn't address the main issue of the game for me:

@BaxAttacks said in What do you feel:

In a nutshell the game has gotten waaaaaaaaaay too expensive to play, both in terms of $ and effort. This combined with major powercreep and no confidence $ spent on monsters won’t be wasted due to nerfs or rule changes has been very disappointing.

@ReLux Bro this needs a business model change. It can't be addressed in a patch ^^

@esentis the problem is I don't feel like it will be addressed in any amount of patches. SP showed us that they can change the rules in any way, they have the right and the power to do so.

I have Brontes ranked. I've purchased a bunch of Xiron chests to rank her something like 2 months before the recent control changes. I would definitely not do that if I knew about these changes. Did I get any compensation except for 50% rune unequipment discount (so I still needed to use gems to fix what they did) and "free" skill changes while you can't even have a better skill set anyway? No. So why should I invest in, for example, next shiny warmaster or its pet or whatever else SP will release to be the next OP? Right, I should not, and I will not do that. SP already proved the point to me.

SP also showed that they can make any kind of event harder:

1. Breeding events – I stopped bothering with them since it's just cheaper to outright buy the monster you are trying to breed. They don't provide crucial info like % chance for breeding events. They can't even publish info about joker in time. Sometimes breeding events interfere races/mazes/etc when you can't really breed more than you already need to.
2. Mazes – when I started this game I was able to collect all monsters while being f2p back then by playing a lot. We didn't have the lab, so anything I got could be used in wars/pvp/etc. Nowadays you need to play even more and still can usually get only 1 (or 2 old) monster of your choice. Oh wait, but it's useless because it's not ranked.
3. Progressives – this thing didn't change a lot I guess, they always required gems to finish. Maybe now you need to spend more, but I don't know because I just skip such events.
4. Races – this was described several times already. More epic nodes and more laps for the same reward.
5. Big limited events – this one is something special. Let's talk about Mishka, for example. First they said that we only need to succeed in this rigged breeding event and then it turned out that you can only get 50 cells even if you succeed. So basically you needed to insert some money or gamble and probably spend 50x6=300 gems for 30 (5x6) cells and 20 elementium/elemental cells. Or rip off these cells from someone so they won't complete the book.

@ReLux just a small correction relux races are not same rewards there worse now costs more with epics on lap 2 plus we used to get more elementium and a ranked monster and only had to get 5k points for food a lot of people seem to have forgot that.

@callumarachnoid you're right about all of this, my bad.

I Will save judgement on Whats to come until it happens.
However i am a bit more concerned about what wasnt mentioned, which many (including myself) have Expressed dissatisfaction with, that being the pure gambling on most chests, especially the Nemesis chest Cells, i missed the last nemesis cell dungeon due to work, but thought maybe it Would be a nice gesture from SP if they Might ( for example) consider meeting us somewhere on middle ground, by Selling nemesis chests where we Would be guaranteed (example) 25 cells of THAT specific nemesis monster we require, then i Would not mind buying 2+ chests, as i know what i am getting(cutting out the gambling Factor).
I personally dont Think it could do any harm if SP release the Nemesis cells dungeon 2-3 times a year either, that May make good for all

I like the announced changes.

Improved match making in Team Wars.
Improved match making in PVP
Improved less costly, more strategic, TBGR

These have been 3 MAJOR issues brought forward by many players. The announced improvements tackle issues that are at the core of the game. All of the other events are secondary to me, though I agree they have become harder over the years.

About the gambling chests: as much as I despise them (I don't even play the lottery out of principle) I don't think they will be removed until legislation forces Take Two to do so. Apparently they generate most profit.

@Ekto-Gamat yep totally agree the wouldent sell them if they werent allowed and since they still are the other way to stop them is to not buy

Fair enough, Thanks for the input Marianne/Ekto.
I was not aware so many were buying these kind of chests.

@shrek you have no idea. People with gambling addictions are the worst (because loot boxes, or chests in this case, are gambling).

I can't wait until legislation gets passed about gambling with loot boxes. It's absolutely atrocious that it's allowed to happen without so much as showing you the chance to get the items in it. It's mostly children playing this game.

Im about a week away from quitting this game. The 72 Hour changes are pretty much it for me. Forcing me to use the broken PVP system to try and get enough coins. I flipped Muerte down to 2 cards and didn't flip any others cuz I couldn't get enough points with the PVP restriction....oh but low and behold all these NEW packs of 72 hour coins I can buy!!! Lucky me!!!! Yes id LOVE to spend 20$ on Muerte please said no one ever.

The breeding events are an absolute joke, PVP and war matchmaking is a mess, don't even get me started about Team Races. I inform anyone joining my team that we do NOT participate in that ridiculous event.

In the end everything they are doing is for the bottom line disguised as "improvements for the player" and you have to keep that in mind.

This game will crash and burn in the next year at the pace it's continuing - we don't need 30 new legendaries a month SP, we need a non-broken game