Does this mean when the season ends my trophy count should be set to 5000?
Didn't the last season end last night? At the beginning of this season I have the same 3579 trophies that I ended the last season with.
Am I missing something?

I ended up in L3 with 4161 trophies, new season I have the same amount of trophies, did one fight and I am now in Champion 3 ranking over all 51st....

....I just hope that they have changed the point system or it will be the next huge disaster after BG!!!

I would love SP to explain how they think everyone will suddenly earn a whacking 1000 trophies more than last season, when leaving the trophy win/loss ratio intact.

Because realistically, it does not matter if my trophies go back to 4000 for the start of the season or stay at my previous 4171. It's difficult for me to progress beyond a certain number of trophies and if I drop too much I will also bounce back automatically on increased successful defences.

I am not being sarcastic here, I really want to know.
I just fear the answer will not be very good.

So If I finish in same league as I did previous season which was legendary 4, I’m now in champion 3 and for rewards I drop 55 orbs and golden relic but chance to win an x rune yep that will be lvl 5 every single time, thanx again sp another great fix incase that is to subtle I’m being sarcastic.

I used to know programmers with solid basics in mathematics... that is apparently something that seems to disappear...
You can't adjust a distribution (trophies) with only the introduction of new categories without adjusting trophy count.... in the next few minutes you will have people complaining that the system can't find match for them.
And people won't gem their way up to where they were before, don't expect too much on this side.

Also look at this:

The rewards are basically the same (CH2 and CH3 differs in only 25 orbs, which is nothing).
It should be 3 rune chests for CH1 and 2 rune chests for CH2. And more orbs.

And yeah, how could we collect 1000 trophies more?

Hi everybody,

I wasn't involved in designing of the new league so can't really comment on the reasoning.
I am myself curious what's gonna happen this season. What i know is that players were basically stuck in the league and couldn't climb higher cause all the opponents that the system gave them were 130 Nemesis. Which is not very encouraging.

I guess we all need to wait and see how is this season gonna end up.

@Fox I'm pretty sure we're still gonna see 130 nemesis monsters everywhere in the Champions League (like the football one ). At least at the start.
Especially because we still can't attack opponents with similar trophies, only with higher trophies (200 or more).

Edit: first attack and all I see is 130 Nemesis and Warmaster monsters in CH3.

The problem is without increasing trophies awarded, there will be players finishing in the top 100 but because they dont have the required trophies they will still be in champions.
As it stands L4,L3 and maybe L2 will be non existent leagues

Just looked at rewards again what a crazy set up I would be actually better dropping down to gold 1 I drop 25 orbs sure but what if by some miracle the runes are x runes better having 2 chances than 1 at it

It seems like this is the only game that wants to punish you for advancing.

Also my trophies were not reset, they were the same.

I end up on L4 and occasionally on L3, always getting nemesis and wasters at 130, plus the occasional Timmy, Ingenica or undertaker sometimes a very rare zyla.

That's still the case now on the new league, and well, they are on the same league.

Same thing

Every refresh brings something like this.

I say give it a time. The leaderboards can change during the season.

Anyways, keep us updated on your progress!

nothing changed but getting a lvl 5 rune in a chest with a possibility ( % ? ) of it being X instead of a gold chest and less orbs ....erm, i wanted to give it benefit of the doubt but i'm not optimistic about this change.....!

@Fox without players with 4k+ trophies being reset to 5k the leagues will remain the same.
Gold 1 players will be stuck in gold 1 unable to progress to champion 3 because the opponents they have to fight will be no different to what they were offered in previous seasons
There are very few players able to attain 5k trophies, and it is not simply a case of doing more fights.
Facing the same opponents you were offered previously means that if you couldn't beat them before you still won't now.
Players in Legendary in previous seasons, need to be in legendary this season to open champions to gold 1 to allow their progression.
As it stands the people who havent been able to reach 5k+ still wont be able to, and what motivation will there be to do so? Because if they cant, champions rewards are very mediocre compared to what they previously attained!

I finished with 4014 trophies, but have also 4014 now? Is it correct? Or I should get 5000?

Also it's not the best time to change everything, we have an ongoing race, remember? How should we do the pvp nodes this way?

@keki14 yeah, I'm loosing some battles to drop league and being able to win some pvps for the race, not so bad since this is the first week of the pvp which is not that important anyway at least for me, I focus on ranking what I can on the second week.

Yes Fox, we will give it time and see how it balances.

Is a bit odd as no one is in the legendary league... the rewards were meant to be better and they are the same or worse... and you still lose more trophies than you win... so what's changed exactly? The system seems flawed at best.

Last season only four player had 5500 points,now L4 begins at 5500

@Fox the rewards need to change, because the Champion League rewards are so underwhelming, it's better to stay in the Gold League.
Also can't really get more trophies, because I constantly get attacked while I'm attacking.

It was honestly bad before as there is zero enjoyment from getting more points from defense compared to offense. That is why some players simply put good defenders and waited. Now it seems even worse as trophies are harder to gain and easier to lose and yet the target is 5000 !! C'mon. Sort it out. Attacking should be fun and worth while to do. Full stop. We play for fun. We want fun. PvP needs more fun.

I still don't understand how each points are awarded after a successful attack and successful defense.
I am sure i m net negative points right now. I am losing 30++ points on defense and only gaining 17-20+ points every attack

@Fox Not even this current league. We are seeing this matchmaking last season as well. Matched with 130 Nemesis and getting attack by 130 Nemesis when I am gold 1 and they Legendary 3!

I really don’t understand ....
Before in L IV (4000) regards was 1 gold chest Relic and 2 silver + orbs.
Now it’s 1 rune and 2 silver chest Relics...
Then rewards are really less than before.
I Stills do not understand why rewards are always less for the middle players ???
Is someone can explain please ?
I think is more and more unfair.

@Vivi28 Social Point promised us that rewards will be better starting from silver league. Now I see they deceived us...

@Fox you MUST go back to the old trophy count that was changed into what it is now a few seasons ago. As it stands now, only a handful of players will even make it into legendary!!!

Oh it'll be easy. 12 wins a day @21 points each, I should be up there inside a week. I'll just set up a defense that nobody can beat and I might even get there quicker. (insert sarcasm emoji...)

Actually @Fox just scanning the forum and I came across your post from earlier that needs a bit of clarification

"Last week we announced a new league coming today and that we will need to reset players in higher leagues to 5k Trophies. However, some players who were inactive during the current season and had between 4-5k Trophies have been reset to 5k Trophies as well. Thankfully, these are rare cases."

So, questions...
What qualified as higher leagues and who was reset?
Looking at the leader board, about 10 players are on 5k points.
My take from earlier in the week was that players in L4 would start off this season from 5k trophies. A boost of 800-1000 trophies, but opening a gap which the rampaging hordes from Gold 1 would quickly fill.
Again going back to your post, some players were inactive but got reset to 5k. Well I battled non stop even blowing a heap of gems doing race nodes. I ended up in the top 1000 narrowly missing L3, but I got no boost upon reset. I now have about 30 trophies less than I finished the season with and I'm here with my 110-120 monsters still surrounded by 130Thalassa and Zahra (comes with free infinite resurrection, sshhh.... don't tell anyone)
Anyway, if they were inactive, where should they be reset to? 4k?

So can you have a chat with someone who thinks they are in charge up there and please tell us what exactly their thoughts were. Is it reset to 4k? Reset to 5k? Penalty for inactivity?

How do they think we're going to earn 1000-1500 points realistically with defense points butchered and less points than before for a win but losses still dropping big amounts?

So currently nobody is higher that Champion 1 by the looks of the rankings. So until players fight there way up the ladder and the leagues can even out not much will change in terms of matchmaking.

As others have said this will take a long time without players dropping a lot of gems to move themselves clear.

This is discouraging. I don't think there will be much movement from actually fighting/defense. As it stands even with the changes you are better off just ignoring pvp until a day before season ends then do a few attacks get your freebie and wait 2 more weeks.
If enough people continue to do that there will be the same glut of high level nemesis and warmasters to deal with at 4K trophies.

Looks like the higher ranks are moving up to 5000 trophies.

For now I am still perfectly stagnant at 4.171 though. And that is not because of inactivity.

Just not worth the effort of doing anything. I am counting on my defence to keep me around 4k and I will wait until SP have sorted out this disaster in a few seasons time....

Hmm well I guess it needs more time to get it sorted. For me nothing has changed, PvP feels the same exactly. We get 3 more layers to disaster ^^ Gief restrictions!! No one asked new league..

@esentis exactly, nothing changed. Except I need 1k more trophies for the "best" rewards ...

The biggest problem is that you need to fill the Champions leagues with former Gold 1 but that's not going to happen as no one can move from their current trophy count. Personally, I think that there's a couple of things that need to be done right now to start fixing this.

1-A big change in matchmaking. I was L4, All I'm getting are former L3 and L2 - people several hundred trophies higher, stacked with 130s. We need to be able to hit players below as well as above us to get points on the board.
2-A major increase in PVP points for wins and defenses. A reduction in points taken for defensive losses.
3-Double stamina points or rush hour for the whole season. Again, we need to fill the leagues and that means more points.
4-Scrap the 5k seasonal reset as this is too much of a leap for most people to achieve. Instead have a minimum participation level of 3 attacks per day averaged over the season. If you don't achieve that then you get reset back.

Do that for at least a season, possibly 2. It gives a short term solution and buys you time to properly fix things

Oh yeah, I forgot. People need incentive. How about 5 nemesis cells for making L4, 10 for L3, 15 for L2. VIP cells for Champion leagues.

@Stvrox If those Nemesis cells are completely random imagine how much luck and time you need to get 80 cells from a specific Nemesis monster.

@esentis Yeah, but look at all the mid level players stuck on 75 cells of multiple nemesis since they stopped the nemesis dungeons. Now imagine the chance of finally getting to 80....

@Stvrox That's just for those players though:) don't get me wrong, I'm on your side about better rewards but giving 5 cells is very hectic.

@esentis I'd love 20+ and some elementium but considering the past levels of generosity shown by our overlords, what's the chances?

@Stvrox True story . We ask for 100 to get at least 10 ^^

OK, we're 3 days into the new season and as it stands there are 6 players above 5k points, 46 over 4.5k. Not one single player in L4. This is a complete shambles and the silence from Social Point is absolutely deafening. Can someone @Community-Managers or @ML-Devs get on here and give an idea as to what is going on? A screenshot of a Discord message to someone in POF does not cut it.

And players above 5k are there because they are mainly exploiting Zahra’s bug. so sad.
The pvp system is worse than ever, it is a nightmare to try to get some points. So frustrating, so poorly designed. It would be great to improve your testing, after several years maybe it is the moment........

IDEAS:

• Start calculating a pvp personal rating based in the team used to attack and to defend. Lvl of monsters, runes, relics. Kind of specific MP. This is way more fair than calculating things based on the league. There are many people really strong in lower positions.

• Calculate the points based on that team MP mentioned before. If I win someone with 130 monsters, full diamond relics and X runes with i.e a team of 115s, gold relics and a few VII runes, I should win way more than in a similar mp fight. It requires much more effort and the win is way more valuable. Reward it!!
  And exactly the oposite: someone attacking an opponent way weaker, should get a lower score. He is going for the easy way, there should be some penalties for that. Doesn’t matter in which league they are.
  Leagues should be just a way to match other oponents.
  IT IS COMMON SENSE, in my opinion ofc.

• introduce new mechanisms, like winning spree or losing strike. If someone wins more and more consecutive fights, a bonus is added consecutively, so the one defeating this player gets extra points. The same with consecutive defending victories. Revenges are out of this, because you are not selecting someone based on their team mp.

• And the oposite system with consecutivce loses atracking or defending. A negative bonus starts to be accumulated so the points lost are reduced from a certain point of consecutive loses. Protects the weak persons to be attacked every second if they give almost no points.

• Do something with succesful defenses on revenges. Something minor but at least take them into account.

• Introduce titles, icons, specific rewards, distinctions, some notorious achievements that anyone can look into someone’s profile and say “wow. This person is a beast in pvp. Look those achievements. Look that record of wins against much stronger adversaries, look that winning spree record of 34-0, look that prestigious and difficult medal, title, profile icon,whatever.... “ dunno, something. This works really well in any game.

• Implement new changes/rewards every change of season,specific seasonal rewards, limited events , etc

I can have much more new ideas, as many people here. But with these are enough... at least try to use common sense and transform this pvp system into something funny, challenging and rewarding!! Not a nightmare to play, not a source of easy resources for the same players over and over with almost no effort.
It requires work and effort to change this? Yes. But once it is done, you will get very nice feedbacks, credits, good feelings, new players, more money at the end, but in a good way. Win - Win.
Reward bravery, punish cowardy.

Balance it, change it, instroduce new and logical mechanics. The source of money you get from pvp should not be that relevant to decide leaving it the way you do. Always. It is REALLY bad in every single way.

SP is monitoring and some changes will come, what and when I cant say because its still discussed.
Dont expect any today because its a free day in Spain.
@Stvrox
You missed the importance of the screenshot alto Tek may think different the one who send the message was Fox working for SP (same Fox as here). that was my bad I should have mentioned that together with the ss.

@Gallofus if you have the update the Zahra bug is fixed

Not only that the rewards are too small, the free pvp tokens are rare and we have to pay if we want to play more. Well, it is obvious that most of the players are discouraged from playing. We will never rise up to the number of trophies required for the legendary league if our playing is severely limited.

All other games I played, PVP is free. You get a small amount of resources after each battle or you collect points and get a chest from time to time; plus, a nice reward at the end of the season. There can be a cap on the rewards you can win in a day, but never having to actually pay per battle. It doesn't make any sense. Too much p2w, this is the only sense it makes. We already pay for the monsters, runes, relics. Let us play!

@Marianne-van-Es thanks for the info, it's appreciated. However, here we are heading into the weekend and still no word from the devs. Probably Monday before we hear anything. A full week and nobody even close to the legendary league.
Its not fair on you having to relay messages and trying to make excuses for them. You're the moderator. They should at least have the decency to join the discussion.