For the last couple of months our team has done poorly in wars. We've been losing 3 out of 4. Despite the losses in war, we are now ranked higher today than we were two months ago.

Ranked about 280 now. Ranked about 380 two months ago.

I am trying to figure out an explanation for this? I notice that immediately after a loss we lose a few places in rank. Then, between wars, we slowly creep back up to higher than we were before in ranking.

The way I see it, if we just keep losing 3 out of 4, we'll be in the top 10 teams within a year!

Our losses aren't because we aren't trying. We have good participation. We just keep getting matched up with team after team that is simply more powerful than us. I guess our bad matchups aren't surprising since we keep moving up in the ranks while our losses are piling up one after another.

So what am I missing here? Is there a "trick" to getting better matchups? Honestly, I don't even care about the ranking anymore. I just want to stop getting pounded in wars time and time again. Logically, it would seem that if we kept losing wars, we would drop in the ranking and then our matchups would get easier, no?

@GrnXnham well, we've been ranked around 35-30th and suddenly dropped to 189th - totally weird, but might explain why you went up if others unexplainably went down like we did!

@GrnXnham said in Why Does Our Team Keep Moving Up the Rankings?:

So what am I missing here? Is there a "trick" to getting better matchups? Honestly, I don't even care about the ranking anymore. I just want to stop getting pounded in wars time and time again. Logically, it would seem that if we kept losing wars, we would drop in the ranking and then our matchups would get easier, no?

Your MP.

MP and Unique Monsters factor in to team rank. If you're growing faster than those around you, you'll probably jump them even if you lose wars.
Teams will often try and remove monsters to reduce MP and give themselves the easiest possible matchup.

There are also a couple of reasons why team rank can change without you even doing anything:

1. The War Coin part of team score factors in the last 90 days only. If a loss that got you just 50 coins drops out of that window, and you lose a war with 150 coins just now, then it'll look like you've risen despite losing.

2. Team score is relative to the top teams. For each category of War Coins, MP and Unique Monsters, you're compared against the top team in that category and given a score out of 100,000 based on that. The three are added together, and you get your team score. So if Revolution Valkyrie have 12M MP, and you have 3M, you get 25% or 25,000 towards team score. Because of that, if the teams at the top change around, you'll move whilst doing nothing yourself.

And in near future matchmaking is going to change so what will "work" now wont "work" in future

@sonnorcteer the 2nd reason seems to be pretty stupid to me. The MP and the percentage added to team score shouldnt be based on other teams at all.

We are back to 34th - I'd love to know why we briefly went all the way down to 189th - really strange!!!

Our team ranking was a little bit crazy this morning. We are usually ranked between #500+/#600+ although i think we should be placed much lower. We are ranked about #1200 for war coins, about #900 for mp and #800 for unique monsters.
Lately we are losing wars, in the past 20 days we won only 3 out of 15 wars. Some players left because of that and one of them had over 200K mp.
So according to the recent loses our rank should've dropped, but nothing changed much.
But this morning the team rank dropped down to about #10.000, a few hours later to #5000, than #1000, and in the end we ended #699.
My team was happy cause we dropped down, because we're hoping to get some weaker opponents to finnaly win some wars again.

@GrnXnham

Your losses hardly influence your ranking. If you lose 350-250 you still get 250 coins for the ranking. You can lose 20 wars in a row and still rise in the rankings as long as you scored high enough.

I'll quote myself from a previous thread for more on how rankings are made (and therefore with the data outdated):

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Team score is ranking in War Coins + Unique Monsters + Monster Power. The # 1 in each category gives 100.000 points. If your team ranks # 1 in all categories the score will be 300,000.

The scores for the teams below the # 1 depend on the score in relation to the # 1. Revolution Valkyrie is ranked # 1 in two categories and score 200.000 points for that. They rank # 2 in Unique Monsters, behind Power of Fun. The unique monster score of Power of Fun is 14,972. The score of Revolution Valkyrie is 13,583.

(100/14,972) * 13,583 = 90,722.

RV's current total score = 290,722.

Testing this with my own team:

number 1 Warcoins: 17,005
our Warcoins: 13,891

(100/17,005) * 13,583 = 81,687

Number 1 Monster Power: 12,7 M
Our Monster Power: 4,606

(100/12,700,000) * 4,606,000 = 36,267

Number 1 Unique Monsters: 14,972
Our Unique Monsters: 9,905

(100/14,972) * 9,905 = 66,156

Total score = 81,657 + 36,2267 + 66, 156 = 184, 110

Our Team Score in the Rankings is (rounded down) 184,100

Therefore because of the ridiculous Monster Power of Revolution Valkyrie the most important for your Team Score is actually War Coins.

We have lost some wars 350 to 250 but we only get about 50 coins as a reward.

The MP of our opponents is usually way higher than ours.

So you are saying that war coins is the biggest factor and since we are still trying to win, losing 350 to 250 is actually hurting us because 250 is still high enough to move us up? So the solution here is to not even try to win for a while, maybe lose 350 to 50 or something like that? God, I hope not. Sounds like a bad system if that is what we need to do. It sounds like the system punishes us for having a strong cohesive unit for a 90 day period and having everyone try hard in the wars.

What about disbanding and starting a new team? Wouldn't that solve the problem? Maybe that is what everyone else is doing?

The war coin in 90 days count is highly flawed as it doesn't count what you 'earned' but what you actually achieved in wars which as Ekto has pointed out can still significantly move you up in the ranking!

@Fox can you please take that to your team. The 90 day war coin count should record your earnings only so it more accurately reflects losses and therefore give a far more accurate ranking!!!

@GrnXnham said in Why Does Our Team Keep Moving Up the Rankings?:

Sounds like a bad system if that is what we need to do. It sounds like the system punishes us for having a strong cohesive unit for a 90 day period and having everyone try hard in the wars.

Sadly, yes. Teams with balls and a backbone are rarely rewarded in current system.

@Marianne-van-Es said in Why Does Our Team Keep Moving Up the Rankings?:

And in near future matchmaking is going to change so what will "work" now wont "work" in future

Looking forward to that
We're 3-12 in our last 15 wars. Sucks, really.

Hi @David-ML,

There are changes coming in the next few weeks that should make this more clear and should fix these issues. I can't tell you more but I think it will be a good change.

@Fox
Have you considered to let wars start at fixed time windows? IMO a big problem with matchmaking is that only few teams are searching for an opponent at the same time. Shortening the team wars by 2 hours to 46 hours (22h defense, 24h attack) and having them start at fixed 6-hour times (say always at noon/6am/midnight/6pm UTC) will vastly increase the number of possible opponents while preserving the ability for teams to run b2b wars (one war every 48h basically), with a 2h window for kicks/recruiting.

More precisely, any team that starts a war would enter the matchmaking that runs at the next possible fixed time slot. I assume that matchmaking could be tweaked to run in say 10 minutes (if the number of available teams is increased by this measure), so if the next matchmaking is at noon UTC, then wars should start within 10 minutes after noon UTC. As the war runs 46h it will be finished shortly after 10am UTC, giving 2h time to kick and recruit.

Matchmaking should have a few tweaks, which I hope you'll implement.

• Don't assign a team that was an opponent for the last X (say 3) wars.
• If the last opponent was higher rated, the opponent should be lower rated for the next war.

@Frunobulax

This would be good. I played another similar game that did wars in this way. You chose a starting time slot out of 4 choices (6 hour intervals) and then the game auto selected opponents. You never had to hit "start war" button or anything. The game just automatically did it at the set intervals along with 1/4 of the player base at the same time.

Made for better matchups.