Hello,

Is somebody knows if the team shop will be the same for each leage ?

@Vivi28

the official info says:

"In this new section, some of the content will be locked to a particular League. In order to be able to purchase it, your team has to be at the requested League or above."

This means...you can collect your earned war medals till you reached a higher league if you want to purchase a content that is not available in your league for example. This is to motivate teams to improve and climb in ranking.

Thanks for tour answer Jasmine
but, I do ont understand, team wars will become unfair with this new évent.
As I image higher if your Rank is higher , you will have higher rewards that means that also team wars will be unfair

@Vivi28
could you explain this?

@Vivi28 I guess the matchmaking will be according to your corresponding trophy count/rank. Now, if by unfair you mean that you won't have access to the items of, let's say, legendary rank teams while you are on gold rank, then ye. But that's reasonable, isn't it ?
Imagine you being in a top guild that struggles to be the best to have the same rewards as someone's guild who is more casual.
That would be unfair, wouldn't it ?

Yes Of course
Now everyone have the same rewards and the same team shop.
with the runes wars, the rankings by league, the team shop will not be the same (if I understand correctly), high lvl will have access to more important rewards which means that it will further widen the gap between the high lvl team and medium or small teams will find it increasingly difficult to progress.
I think is unfair

@Vivi28 Well that will give you the incentive to climb on higher ranks ^^

@Vivi28

this is correct. the gap will increase, but you won‘t have the risk to match all the time much stronger teams!!!

@esentis
sorry but I still think it's not fair.
how can small teams evolve if the rewards are not the same?
At the moment, in the team store, thethys costs 2500 pieces for everybmembers, then everybody is able toi have a thethys 130, which seems to me right.
with this league history, the store will (unless I am mistaken) not the same depending on the ranking.
I do not think I'm in a small team, but I'm thinking of the news or « little » player/lvl.
how do you want them to evolve with this new rules ??? sp widens the gap between levels and it's good for no one, that's why I think it's unfair.

@Vivi28 are you on discord? because on official discord you can ask this question and you can get an answer from the devs the link is in my signature you can ask in the channel team-wars-leagues-feedback probably not today anymore because its almost midnight in Spain but im sure tomorrow

Simple solution @Vivi28 ,
Fight your wars, save your coins and become friends with someone in a top tier team. Then when you want nice shiny high level rewards, jump into the big boys team, get the goodies and return to your own team afterwards.....

@Vivi28 If I understand things correctly, the team shop with war coin currency as we know now will probably remain unchanged, a new section accessible with war medals will simply be introduced. True, the proposed rewards in that will seemingly vary across leagues, but I think it'll be fair enough if they fix matchmaking as promised, for you'll likely face teams near your own strength from then on. Lets see what happens

Well I am not going to address the fair/unfair scenario that keeps cropping up in conversations because I am of the philosophy that "life is unfair" so why would I expect it in a game.

BUT maybe it is my brain not wrapping around the entire scenario of what the changes will encompass but I am not positively looking forward to them for three main reasons. 1. Unless they will finally get matchmaking to more accurately match teams together I see teams in leagues fighting the same opponents over and over and over. Now if you happen to be the winners in this type of scenario you might agree with this, but I can see many teams losing to these same teams repeatedly and not progressing in the leagues. 2. My second reason is I am not too happy about the limitations of the team shop rewards based on the leagues. Now I do get that more experienced teams should get better rewards but on the other hand how are the non elite, say every team below the first 100 supposed to catch up and be able to compete when the top teams will have a much longer time to get the better rewards aka relics or runes. Now for the 50 or so teams below them there will not be as big of a gap, but what about the teams that are a little farther down? By the time they catch up they will be outmatched against all these teams with monsters with these elite relics that they have not had a chance to obtain. 3. My final main reason is the availability and cost of monsters in the team shop based on leagues I just cringe thinking about the costs that will include both medals and coins, yikes the costs are not high enough with just coins they must also cost medals too. I sure hope when they introduce this they adjust the cost of existing monsters. Can you image Thetys being 2500 coins plus 1000 or more medals? SP has not exactly been very lenient in the prices so I do not see this change introducing reasonable prices.

I am trying to be positive and find the silver lining in these changes but as a member of a mid level team, I see these changes creating a lot more obstacles then they are resolving. Multiplayer mode has a whole list of problems all by itself and to change team wars to mimic it just seems like a very bad idea.

These are my thoughts based on the released information, though I will say I will reserve my final judgment/opinion until it is actually released and I can see how it is implemented. My first impressions could be quite wrong and things turn out better than they seem.

@Stvrox said in New team wars:

Simple solution @Vivi28 ,
Fight your wars, save your coins and become friends with someone in a top tier team. Then when you want nice shiny high level rewards, jump into the big boys team, get the goodies and return to your own team afterwards.....

Really, how is that a solution? How does this help the teams in the lower levels? This is not exactly something that many players can do, nor are there that many helpful elite teams or members that would allow lower level players to do this.

@Marianne-van-Es said in New team wars:

@Vivi28 are you on discord? because on official discord you can ask this question and you can get an answer from the devs the link is in my signature you can ask in the channel team-wars-leagues-feedback probably not today anymore because its almost midnight in Spain but im sure tomorrow

Hmmm I many have to pull out my discord log in to ask questions regarding my concerns.

@esentis No thanks! We are content where we are! Our Team is ranks in the 2000s (inaccurately) & struggle as it is! Our Opponent this time is ranked in the 1700s with Level 130 monsters on half their bases & only one base without a Level 100 monster. We are currently 12 with over Level 100 monsters & 18 without out of 30. We had hoped by getting up to 30 this time, it would help the matchmaking but this has been the very worst in the 26 months our Team has existed. These players are attacked our bottom 15 bases with their 120-130 monsters, which is cheating as far as I am concerned. (Don't want to debate this!) If this new "set-up" matches Teams closer, I am all for it, but every time SP has said they have a "new matchmaking improvement", it has gotten worse & worse! Hopefully we can critique this new "Matchmaking", Leagues, etc. & hopefully it will help out others!

@Nynaevelan sorry, I assumed the sarcasm was obvious. Next time I'll throw in a

@MamawJane So maybe they could "punish" higher MP players from attacking lower ones. Or even block them out from attacking very low levels. The problem you are facing will be the same, those changes won't worsen it. Now the actual problem is that the gap between the p2w and f2p will widen.. hmm tough one.

@MamawJane there us a feedback channel on Official Discord you can place your concerns there

Don't give me the Discord link @Marianne-van-Es, I want to be able to voice my concerns here as well.

edit: tagging @Carlos just in case.

The changes seem to be positive, although of course a lot will depend on the execution.

My biggest concern is the tougher restrictions for high level teams. I do not see why it is necessary to limit the number of monsters to be used in wars. If people choose not to use lvl 130 Nemesis, but a lvl 120 epic or lv 100 L instead then please let them? Let's not unnecesarily kill creativity here.

I fully agree with Ekto. Leave some room for creativity and smart workarounds, not just powerful monsters.

@Ekto-Gamat said in New team wars:

My biggest concern is the tougher restrictions for high level teams. I do not see why it is necessary to limit the number of monsters to be used in wars. If people choose not to use lvl 130 Nemesis, but a lvl 120 epic or lv 100 L instead then please let them? Let's not unnecesarily kill creativity here.

Can't agree more. Never understood the reason of such restriction - minimal rank requirement. Why? I hate those in dungeons. If people can finish a job with lower rank monsters, they should even be rewarded for creativity. It seems the coming Team Battleground will make the positive move by removing some restrictions, why introducing the same to the new team war? Please don't!

@Ekto-Gamat Mamawjane already is on Discord Ekto and you are right you should give your feedback here too. I will forward this

Edit: I wanted to make modding a bit easier but that my problem Forum is my first love

I can't help but feel excited about the new changes. It all sounds very sensible IN THEORY and I sincerely hope that SP executes the changes better than some of the other major changes/additions in the past (Relics, Battlegrounds, PvP to name the worst). The easier restrictions for lower leagues will hopefully prevent them from having countless empty islands lined up in wars which I have brought up a VERY long time ago!

In regards to rank restrictions, I feverishly disagree like others above. This will just hurt creativity in wars. It will also frustrate many players (like me) who have invested in several Lvl 100 Warmasters just then not be able to use them - please, I urge you, DO NOT INCLUDE RANK RESTRICTIONS!

And the changes to the team shop are certainly welcome and I am looking forward to see the new items on offer. I will reserve final judgement to the day this will be released....

Hi guys,

Sorry about Discord. devs are there because it's easier for them to respond in chat.
But I will try to answer you here as well.

Regarding the different restrictions for different leagues, I think C0ntr1v3d had the same concern, I will repeat one of our devs. The restrictions will be random but will have a different combination of rules (Ranks, Elements, Books). For example in higher leagues you can expect similar hardcore restrictions like in previous Battlegrounds, however, that doesn' mean that they cannot get easier restrictions since it's somewhat random.

@Fox said in New team wars:

Hi guys,

Sorry about Discord. devs are there because it's easier for them to respond in chat.
But I will try to answer you here as well.

Regarding the different restrictions for different leagues, I think C0ntr1v3d had the same concern, I will repeat one of our devs. The restrictions will be random but will have a different combination of rules (Ranks, Elements, Books). For example in higher leagues you can expect similar hardcore restrictions like in previous Battlegrounds, however, that doesn' mean that they cannot get easier restrictions since it's somewhat random.

I still don't think the SP staff gets the point. How is it EASIER to use an epic or a level 100 monster in a field that is full of lvl 130 VIPS, Nemeses and Warmasters. It's suicide if you don't know exactly what you are doing. Do my screenshots above look like it was easy to use those monsters on attack?

Easy = Use your fully ranked monsters
Difficult. = Think your way out of a situation with any monsters

Rank restrictions for wars make no sense, only limit player's creativity and if any of the devs played at a somewhat advanced level they would know this.

@Stvrox said in New team wars:

@Nynaevelan sorry, I assumed the sarcasm was obvious. Next time I'll throw in a

Sorry I completely missed it, though I think my sarcasm radar is broken I seem to miss it a lot.

One developer said on Discord yesterday that it will be possible to have a matching between two teams in two different leagues. Now, since the restrictions differ based on league, does this mean that two teams may war using different restrictions? This would be very strange... Imagine one team has an epic/rare restriction and the other one doesn't... Or am I missing something?

@Ekto-Gamat, those are valid points, however, you could say that about any restriction we have. When we use books we are "kind of killing the creativity" as well.

On the other hand, I understand your point. You can show players that it is totally possible to fight premium monsters if you know what you are doing.

I believe that with these restrictions we won't be killing that part of the game entirely, on top of it we, hopefully, will have a new battle features that we teased some time back.

@Fox said in New team wars:

@Ekto-Gamat, those are valid points, however, you could say that about any restriction we have. When we use books we are "kind of killing the creativity" as well.

Point not taken.

If you can use whatever is available you will only see the same attack teams over and over again, that happen to be the most powerful at that time.

With Book restrictions you mostly restrict the number of strongest monsters a player can use, and for a good reason. With rank restrictions you leave out the 'little ones', the monsters fewer people chose to rank. There is absolutely no reason for that.

I agree regarding the rank restrictions - team wars should not be rank limited. One of the best parts of wars is using good strategy to use lower level/rank monsters. The best is even using a Common/UC/Rare to beat Warmasters and Nemesis for fun.

I have 130 light monsters but I chose to use lower level for fun - why limit this?

Its just senseless - either you have the monsters or you don't. I will completely stop buying monsters if this is the case as I frequently use lower level monsters in elite war scenarios to exploit their traits/niche skills. If I'm forced to rank them up just because SP says i need to in order to use them in war - I'm done.

Our team has been matched up with teams with 2.5 million mp. While ours has 270k. Result is no fun and we get slaughtered. People are talking about quitting after 2 such mismatches. Newest matchmaking has no monsters for them below 105. While half our team is below lvl 100.

Almost looks like the highest ranked people are forming new teams just to exploit new matchmaking

@Mastery-Envy

which highest ranked people/teams do you mean? Because i cant see any team movement atm

@Fox said in New team wars:

I believe that with these restrictions we won't be killing that part of the game entirely

I think you expressed it exactly as it will be - you won't be killing creativity entirely, but you will limit it significantly!

Ekto expressed it quite well and you have seen screenshots of examples. Having fun with low level monster combos completely goes out of the window if you include rank restrictions. And if you add 'hardcore' restrictions like in Battleground of R3 and R4, I am sure that we will see a few empty spots on islands in top league wars which I personally haven't experienced since I was a Lvl <30 player and I am not keen to be in this position again!!!

@Ekto-Gamat ok, point taken, now.

I will try to discuss it with the team. Though would you be ok if the ranked restrictions at least alternated?

@Fox said in New team wars:

@Ekto-Gamat ok, point taken, now.

I will try to discuss it with the team. Though would you be ok if the ranked restrictions at least alternated?

I am OK regardless of what you decide. It's not a huge issue, it just is a bad idea.

Ranked restrictions in wars make no sense, so the fewer we will see of it the better.

Latest war with 10 attacks per member. Opposing team loaded with 130s and level X speed runes. They are a recently reformed team of high end active players so they match our team score thanks to them having a very low war coin total in the last 90 days. Our team has only been able to beat their 27th team. It’s a 27 on 27. Is this what the current matchmaking is supposed to do? Not trying to sound sarcastic but this can’t be what is intended.

@Mastery-Envy I think this is the 3rd time you set things about this being against a former (semi) elite team please dm me the the teams name and yours so I can check what has happened

I do not understand the meaning and necessity of rank restrictions. I would prefer when we go ahead with 3 restriction and every player can decide by itself which monster, which rank he wants to use.
rank restrictions won’t make team wars more interesting or more powerful.

@Marianne-van-Es yes, top teams are moving into secondary teams again, be it for races or Battlegrounds. I have screenshots from the last race when some big teams moved to get easier matches. It's a disgrace and those teams should be directly targeted by SP and punished in some form. I just causes a lot of frustration amongst honest teams with integrity!!!

It's rather sad, really. A lot of teams are reforming again and again, and still it seems that the new war system actually rewards this kind of cheesy behaviour even more. If that's true, it's a slap in the face of all honest players/teams.

@Frunobulax

We will have to see how it works in practice, but seems to me the new system discourages tanking. A team reforming to get easy wars will not be able to access the best team shop items (diamond relics, exclusive monsters like Talany).

@C0ntr1v3d ...there is hope!

@David-ML
we will see what’s happen with liga system.

But you are absolutely right with race teams. I thought that there is no need to use raceteams, but I had to learn, that it is nice to get 4 star monster but this is not the main goal. They make 50 laps in any case but now the Elementium is much more important. so race teams are again attractive.
But how can this be stopped?

And one more thing, which I don‘t know how this could be stopped. The gap between player increases faster, because of the different rewards.

The only idea I have.... A better and fair calculation of MP which represents the real strength of a player and at the end of the team. This would be the best indicator of matching in team wars. But it is difficult the find a good calculation method of MP.

@C0ntr1v3d said in New team wars:

@Frunobulax

We will have to see how it works in practice, but seems to me the new system discourages tanking. A team reforming to get easy wars will not be able to access the best team shop items (diamond relics, exclusive monsters like Talany).

They will. Trust me on that. There are plenty of ways how this can be done with just a bit of coordination, and those scum teams are very well organized.

@Claudius-DC-Sailer said in New team wars:

so race teams are again attractive.
But how can this be stopped?

Is this a trick question? Just make matchmaking not dependent on war/race history. Use only team strength (like MP, although MP has plenty of issues so a better power ranking should be used). Easy as that.

And of course don't allow players to collect rewards if they switch teams during an event. Not after half the event, but even one second after the event starts. (That prevents that low-level teams are taken over during the first hours of a race.)

@Frunobulax

I also wrote

The only idea I have.... A better and fair calculation of MP which represents the real strength of a player and at the end of the team. This would be the best indicator of matching in team wars. But it is difficult the find a good calculation method of MP.

and there is another post from me, some weeks ago with a detailed description of a better und much fair MP calculation method ....

another idea..... teams which have teammate changes bigger than 20% will be unable to get team rewards and are removed from teamranking
Your idea that users won‘t get rewards when they switch during event to the team is not all. A lot of users change to raceteam shortly before event really starts.

@Frunobulax

this is my idea of calculating a much more fair MP.

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/8809/problems-with-matchmaking-and-monsterpower-ideas-to-solve-this

If we want to use war coin results for match making purpose, the proper way is to use the average war coin income earned by the team members, and not what the team supposedly earned.
If people do not switch teams, the war coins earned by team is the same as the average of the war coin earned by team members. If a team moves all its members to a brand new team, the average number of war coins earned by members did not change.
A team is just an artificial construct of real players. There is no magic ability of a "team" to earn coin. The MP and unique monster stat of a team is already based on a per-member value. The war coin value needs to be a per member average value as well.