So I thought the feedback from last season was pretty positive and there was more activity.
Now it’s back to fighting people hundreds of trophies higher with all 130 warmasters/nemesis. Win is +19, lose is -27. Even if I wanted to be active there’s not much point.
After being involved last season it feels like a big piece of the game was taken away

Just my thoughts!
In the beginning of the last seson it was also flawed. When SP changed how Multiplayer worked (win/loose ratio was like 4:1and it seamed to me the matching got much better) activity skyrised. That felt good.
Now everything is reversed:

• "Enemy" teams are far stronger than you,
• they repeat when you try to renew opponents and
• to make matter worse, AI has improved and when loosing: more points are taking away from you than when you win.

I thought that the new Multiplayer system was to reward activity, but apparently I was reading that wrong -:)

Yes it is back to where it was unfortunately. When the last season ended, with the multiplayer rage, I managed to get 5,3k points. Now I'm back to 4,2k and keep on dropping, I don't know how everyone has so many level X runes.. beats me.

This is my suggestion to 'improve it' that I put in the other thread:

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/10442/league-reset-5000-tropies/83

I don't think it was SP's intention to change the nature of PvP. What happened in last season was to reset 4k to 5.5k. How we enjoyed during the reset attempt was just a side effort.

The PvP is still heavily in favor for the defense. As many has pointed out, nobody gets enjoyment from defense. So unless SP makes a U-turn, I doubt we will bother much on this.

@skeelmaster well, if a game component isn't fun then it's not worth putting any effort or resources into. This means that the game component won't contribute to the general revenue, which means it is of no use to SP. So why not just get rid of it then????

Of course it would make A LOT more sense to fix it so that players enjoy it and spend more gems on it!!!

@skeelmaster said in Pvp worse than ever. What happened to improvements?:

I don't think it was SP's intention to change the nature of PvP. What happened in last season was to reset 4k to 5.5k. How we enjoyed during the reset attempt was just a side effort.

Yes, it was an accidental bullseye. Pity SP does not seem to recognize that.

I loved the quadruple but I think maybe double or triple is enough

Yes it the win lose ratio that is wrong. Sort it so before people stop playing altogether

As you can see here, the cut off for L3 is only 80 odd trophies from start of L4. This used to be 500-600 then after the trophy count change it dropped to about 150-180. Now it's half of that. Maybe very soon there won't be an L4 and if you are strong enough to make it into legendary league you are automatically in L3 as less than 500 can actually make it

When we had the 4x points event happening, that was fun. You keep doing that, and you'll have happy people.

Woke up this morning and was 92 points down because of 3 attacks overnight. So I did 5 attacks back to back for a total of 106 points but got hit TWICE while attacking for a further loss of 64 points. So I'm down 50 points in the space of 5 minutes despite winning 5 in a row. This is a load of bull.

the PVP goes worse than before for me, i have absolutely no targets that don't have at least 2- 130's warmasters and i cannot even do my revenges because i'm only getting attacked by peeps with 2000+ more trophies than i do ( @ 7k) so how do i end up on their list to attack me ? i don't have any lower than me on my list ...this is crazy !!! shouldn't they have @ their own rank on the list ????????

Yes please, change the trophy ratio. It's not fair that I attack 4 times for around 80 trophies and lose almost all of them in 2 defensive losses.
Also revenge battles, I got 14 for a revenge win, but lost 33 in another.

How we can move up when winning is 19 points and losing on defense is like 27-30 points. It literally force us to spend gems on buying points for us to attack. Maybe it's SP intention rigged the game so we have to spend!

@thewire i dont know I started at 5500 points gained some now im 5317

I can relate that being in higher leagues on pvp gets harder everytime and always end up facing stronger players, all with at least 2 WM fully ranked (starting from C1 and LIV) if not all 3 fully ranked it's kind of frustrating. I just do enough for events and daily goals and the rest just winning trophies because of my defense.

back for good eh lol https://imgur.com/a/CWt4vYU

Started this season @5500 trophies. After 40 wins on offense and 49 wins on defense currently @ 5517 trophies. If the intent was to make PVP unbearable to play and near impossible to compete you've done a bang up job!

@Fox @carlos @ml-devs are any of you actually reading these comments? Are you going to come into this thread or the previous one where these complaints and issues were raised and acknowledge some of our points or are you going to hide behind the forum moderators who are not even employees of Social Point?
Can you explain to us what your line of thinking was in changing the point scoring system about 6-7 seasons ago? Please tell us truthfully was this a decision one of you made to aid game enjoyment or was it a corporate decision handed down by bean counters in a bid to increase revenue by annoying players into spending currencies to get beyond the frustration?
Can you tell us how you think people will progress in the game when due to flawed matchmaking and negative point scoring it is actually impossible to progress?
Can you elaborate on what the long term plans for the PVP leagues are when there is such clear frustration from so many players at the current set up? Look at the comments on here. Not one person thinks that the PVP leagues are a success. The 3 new leagues are just the previous gold and below leagues renamed.
When so many people think there is a flaw in a system, surely they cannot all be wrong ?

2 weeks ago when players voiced their concerns at possibly not being able to remain in the legendary leagues, the people on this forum made suggestions which you implemented and immediately we started playing, spending gems to play more, spending gems to change runes and skills. The feedback, from what I saw, was overwhelmingly positive.
The PVP Leagues became fun again after a long time.
Then straight away we get reverted back to the same old rubbish.
The problem with PVP was that people were not making progress. You said that yourselves in introducing the new leagues. However, the reason was not a lack of space within the leagues but a lack of opportunity to score points. Whoever made the call to change the scoring system a few months ago made a complete shambles of it and should either have the decency to admit that or come in here and explain their logic and reason as to why they think this way is better.
The old system wasn't perfect but it was a huge improvement on the present one. The rage war fix wasn't perfect but at least it worked to stimulate interest and get people filling up the leagues. Again, can you come in here and tell us what you thought of that and why you think the current point scoring and matchmaking system is better?

If nothing else can you just tell us "No, we're leaving it as it is, deal with it". At least we'll know not to bother venting our frustration and wasting time trying to get answers or making suggestions.

L4 rank must be non existent. Currently have 5545 trophies I'm in L3 and ranked @472. Unreal

@san wow, since I posted the above, in only two days the threshold to L3 dropped by almost half again. I think what I said half in joke that legendary league will soon only consist of L3 may become reality before the end of the season

@san I'm L4 with 5, 508 points lol. So yes the difference between L4 and L3 is 2 successful defenses.

Hi everyone,

Thank you for sharing your feedback with us. We haven't forgotten and I follow/read the threads in the forum even though I don't reply to them.
ML Devs saw this thread and they will be checking the situation that is currently happening in some leagues and will try to improve it.

I will let you know when we have some of the small changes.

@san @Fox it’s officIal there is no L4 rank anymore.

@testcyp Wow

PVP is pointless for me. I basically get punished and lose 10 trophies every time I win. I attack and win 20 trophies, but it drops my shield and I'm instantly attacked and lose 30 trophies. Over and over and over. Win 10 times in a row? Congrats, now I'm 100 trophies below where I was before I attacked. I simply don't have 2 copies of my top 3 monsters to be able to keep a team on defense and attack at the same time. I guess I'll quit attacking and just the slow loss of taking a hit every 3 hours instead. Too bad, really, since I've been trying real hard to time my attacks and use every point of stamina every chance I get. I started at 5,500 trophies and am now down to 5,200 after putting incredible effort around the clock.

@testcyp LOL, didn't I predict that just a few days ago I honestly didn't expect this to happen so fast!

@david-ml champion 1 but still top 500 interesting.

@testcyp That's crazy! Considering there is less than 2 days remaining and it's a weekend, guess there is no plan for them to fix it this season.

We gave them the solution last season but nobody paid any heed, obviously because it made too much sense.
Increase the points for a successful attack or defense, decrease the points for a loss. Reset the points to 5k at the end of the season but leave it so we actually accumulate points instead of constantly losing them. Give fairer options to attack instead of the constant L3 /L2 130 Nemesis squads. It's not rocket science. This season has shown everyone that the current scoring system is an utter shambles. What exactly needs to happen before the message gets through?

@stvrox I reported it and it has been noticed hopefully we see some positive change in next season Im afraid this one is lost.
Im sad too for this lost season.
Dont think we need a quadruple point system but we need one that we gain places because we do pvp and this system isnt doing that as proven in this season. I personally love to do pvp and not be afraid to lose because it will drop you so hard. now it became a task to do in race and or in daily goals

https://socialpoint.helpshift.com/a/monster-legends-mobile/?s=updates&f=multiplayer-improvements-from-season-37&l=en

@marianne-van-es that doesnt help with legendary 4 being none existent though

Yes! I did it. I won’t lose 500 points that would be impossible to get back under current system. Now just log in 2 weeks from now at 8:50 AM EST for 1 battle.

@vargranger lets see what the results are hard for me to judge. If there is no movement again no it won't I will be on their case if it isnt enough

@testcyp Good for you, man !!! I had the exact same trophy count about 6 min before season ended, but I was attacked and received -30 just before it ended, sooooo...
@Marianne-van-Es I have request for you to put forward to SP, if you would be so kind, since it seems only a few ever get through to them . Regarding their rewards, I'd love to know how some silver relic chests and 2 rune chests which mostly give level 5 runes would make PvP a "rewarding" experience for a player who's strong enough to maintain Champions 1 league... Can you possibly ask them to give out better rewards? If they love their chests so much that they cannot give away straight forward stuff, atleast let these start from level 7...

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@testcyp congrats I couldent do it

Finished rank #756 putting me in Champ I because Legend IV doesn't exist anymore. Pretty sure I'm not the only one that feels cheated out of 100 Heroic orbs and a Gold Relic.

@johnml sure i will pass it on would love some better myself im not used to getting a Silver chest myself i wad lucky I got a gold one in MW so still had my gold chest experience but could have been 2

must have been the most horrible pvp season together with the race , i had a terrible experience, someone said about banging heads on stuff ...yeah ...pretty much the feeling i had, no points to gain from anywhere, the list ( impossible to attack coz of all the 130's warmasters) gave 22 trophies, defense won 22 , defense lost took 30 and won revenge gave 14-15 and the moment you'd do a battle you'd get attacked ...not even gonna do math on that, it was BLEH to say the least

Strangely enough, it was easier for me this time. I jumped from Champ IV to Legendary III when I passed 5500 trophies and I didn't have to worry about losing my position, like before. I think it must've been the race. But, indeed, we still have to rely heavily on a good defense rather than on attacking, which takes a lot of the fun out of the experience...

Defenisve losses in current system are just too costly. It would already help if you break even for one defenisve loss and one defensive win.

With current trophy wins and losses the elite 200-300 completely obliterated L IV. The gap with the rest is too big.

The entire L4 wiped out, as Ekto pointed out and here's the response from our glorious overlords

"Since the release of the new Champions Leagues, we received a lot of feedback asking us additional improvements that would allow players in Gold and Champion to obtain their trophies faster to progress through these new Leagues.

That’s why during Season 37, starting on 26th November, we will introduce some tweaks on the trophy calculation formulas to make Gold and Champion League players lose less trophies when being defeated on Defense, and get more trophies when winning Attacks"

HELLLOOOO...., did you somehow manage to miss the fact that an entire division of your leagues was wiped out AND THEY WEREN'T GOLD OR CHAMPION?
Oh and for the record, as I'm now in Gold 1 I'd like to point out that your tweaks are thus far non existent, I'm still losing more than can gain and was attacked twice while in the process of carrying out 3 attacks. This is pure frustration.

I've spent the price of a family holiday on this game in the past year and rubbish like this is pushing me very close to walking away completely

The point differential has to be large for it to be effective. The reason the season with 4x points was so fun was that the trophy inflation meant that people 200-300 trophies ahead or behind you were still approximately your strength so you were able to attack freely and feel it was a fair fight.

New record - managed to get into L3 with two battles fought the remaining 16 saved up attacks will go into the second half of the race now....

Seriously @Fox are you guys going to fix this


Legendary IV is gone and it will not return with the tiny changes you have made to the trophy count for Gold and Champion League. You must make some SIGNIFICANT adjustments or PvP will remain the worst it has ever been!!!

I did make a suggestion in the other thread, have you read it?

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/10442/league-reset-5000-tropies/84

@david-ml said in Pvp worse than ever. What happened to improvements?:

Legendary IV is gone and it will not return with the tiny changes you have made to the trophy count for Gold and Champion League.

Not just L IV. A significant part of L III as well.
As it is going people can end in the top 400 and still be in Champion 1.

@ekto-gamat very true! In the above screenshot I was ranked 367th and still in Champion 1