@relux the game always lost players because of changes: gold nerf, the vault (I almost quit) relics, recently freezed Im forgetting a lot prob, they were most bigger changes than this sure for players it will be the last thing but he Team Afkk (=ASP) goes to 100 and they want to boycot next race and that promiss will be forgotten as soon as next race will be like neobuki and now im going to change my name to OP's

Complaining with your mouth falls on deaf ears.

Complaining with your wallet will be listened to.

People are complaining with their wallet. My team did 50 laps last race, this race we finished 25 and are taking rest of week off. Other chats you read about teams doing same thing. I see a lot of the teams that would normally go 100 laps stopping at 50 (or first). They are definitely losing money on this race and I’m sure there will be changes.

@testcyp I hope so.

@sinisism said in Racing in the Dark:

@c0ntr1v3d said in Racing in the Dark:

Ok, so.

Chests give random stuff without any chance breakdown.

And they're still here.

Which means people buy them.

Guaranteed race monster stats are not available.

And people still race.

Which is why they're still here.

So, your point is we don't try to improve the system? Bend over and take it? However well SP may or may not be doing, THEY COULD BE DOING BETTER. Both in PR and financially. It's in their best interest to make the majority happy, not just the RNG buyers.

I didn't think my point obscure.

As long as race monkeys beat their chests while still grinding the organ the tune keeps playing.

FOMO seems to be an effective strategy.

As to bending over and taking it, no. How many laps have you done?

So anyone else find it strange that fox has been on sp have told us there back to normal the biggest issue we have had over holidays are stupid race changes and what do we get deathly silence as usual,oh and now your extra turners are going to get less specials thanks sp.

Still nothing I’m sure the must be busy counting all there cash

Hi all . . . I do agree with what's been said so far and have to say my team was one of the teams going for the 100 laps. I believe a team race event should be focussed mainly on "team effort" as the first word describes itself and make quests more doable somehow in my opinion. Every team gets to choose and decide how far to race based on rewards , especially the ranked monster. For that I agree that next race we should have a more clearly and complete info about the monster so we all know what we're racing for and how much we're willing to spend for it. Regarding the current race, we decided to stop at lap 50 and not continue because of the heavy investment needed for each member in order to accomplish those 100 laps based on the demanding quests all the way through. We really didn't mind the special C, UC and R quests, they were doable . . . But the amount of gems hatching each one (UC and R) were kinda draining all our gems slowly and to wait a couple of hours to get 'em done wasn't an option if the goal is to race in spite of the extra days we were given

And yet still nothing official said our team will be boycotting next race we can only hope more do, you have pushed to far this time sp.

@callumarachnoid we asked for a reaction hope we get one soon also Fox isnt officially back she is still on vacation

@callumarachnoid ok its lots and lots of feedback to be processed so they will absolutely react but I wont expect it before weekend

@marianne-van-es For me and my team doesn’t really matter what they say now they have pushed it a step to far game is becoming more and more of a chore instead of being fun and know u don’t like it but it is purely down to greed and I would urge everyone who used to enjoy playing the game to boycott next race as well as it’s the only way to get through to sp.

@callumarachnoid i know of the ask of boycot but I think many forget their promise of boycotting the race as soon as the monster is as good as Neobuki and I see a boycot as not racing some of the teams seeing at as doing without buying gems.
Also we talk about greed so much, some will do it because they see an easy win and if other teams see broken boycot promises they will break theirs.

Now I really should change my name in OP

Yup, we will do as requested & boycott the races...oh wait, we already do so . Most mind numbing ridiculous event that has only encouraged all kinds of unscrupulous behaviour, now getting a hammering for an unreleased monster & SP/take two trying to recoup expenses to some of the good to great introductions in the game. Good job on war masters, with the exception of Thalassa, mad squid, good job on relics, good job in bug fixing especially koopigg , but seriously, it means you're actually trying to fix all the bugs...& many other things, I can't remember now. Happy New Year, SP! Please continue with the bug fixing, still waiting on recently possessed , the race is for those with nothing better to do but happy to watch paint dry, "bigly", lol.

@marianne-van-es said in Racing in the Dark:

@relux the game always lost players because of changes: gold nerf, the vault (I almost quit) relics, recently freezed Im forgetting a lot prob, they were most bigger changes than this sure for players it will be the last thing but he Team Afkk (=ASP) goes to 100 and they want to boycot next race and that promiss will be forgotten as soon as next race will be like neobuki and now im going to change my name to OP's

I'm here to tell you the rate of retirement has been on the rise, especially in the last six months. It's obvious to anyone trying to keep a team going at full capacity these days. Six months ago we were beating recruits away on a daily basis. Today, we struggle to maintain 30. Our team has not changed, nor has our ranking. And, we're not the only established team having these issues.

@c0ntr1v3d said in Racing in the Dark:

@sinisism said in Racing in the Dark:

@c0ntr1v3d said in Racing in the Dark:

Ok, so.

Chests give random stuff without any chance breakdown.

And they're still here.

Which means people buy them.

Guaranteed race monster stats are not available.

And people still race.

Which is why they're still here.

So, your point is we don't try to improve the system? Bend over and take it? However well SP may or may not be doing, THEY COULD BE DOING BETTER. Both in PR and financially. It's in their best interest to make the majority happy, not just the RNG buyers.

I didn't think my point obscure.

As long as race monkeys beat their chests while still grinding the organ the tune keeps playing.

FOMO seems to be an effective strategy.

As to bending over and taking it, no. How many laps have you done?

We did 50 as we always do, and financially I didn't see it as any worse than any other race if you consider the extra time we got to do the longer breeds/hatches. We hadn't ruled out 100 until word circulated about the ridiculous cost.

However, all that is irrelevant to my OP. This thread was intended to address lack of communication in situations where the benefit TO ALL to be more transparent greatly outweighs the desire to keep things shrouded in secrecy.

@sinisism said in Racing in the Dark:

@c0ntr1v3d said in Racing in the Dark:

@sinisism said in Racing in the Dark:

@c0ntr1v3d said in Racing in the Dark:

Ok, so.

Chests give random stuff without any chance breakdown.

And they're still here.

Which means people buy them.

Guaranteed race monster stats are not available.

And people still race.

Which is why they're still here.

So, your point is we don't try to improve the system? Bend over and take it? However well SP may or may not be doing, THEY COULD BE DOING BETTER. Both in PR and financially. It's in their best interest to make the majority happy, not just the RNG buyers.

I didn't think my point obscure.

As long as race monkeys beat their chests while still grinding the organ the tune keeps playing.

FOMO seems to be an effective strategy.

As to bending over and taking it, no. How many laps have you done?

We did 50 as we always do, and financially I didn't see it as any worse than any other race if you consider the extra time we got to do the longer breeds/hatches. We hadn't ruled out 100 until word circulated about the ridiculous cost.

However, all that is irrelevant to my OP. This thread was intended to address lack of communication in situations where the benefit TO ALL to be more transparent greatly outweighs the desire to keep things shrouded in secrecy.

And I agree. But clearly FOMO is a commercially viable strategy too.

@marianne-van-es sorry for asked but did you know when social point return from vacation ?

@handerson-sousa Oh social point are back there just not that bothered to reply to us

@c0ntr1v3d Unfortunately you are right...

@callumarachnoid Thanks

@handerson-sousa and @callumarachnoid not true as I said they will talk about the feedback that is given but its not only this feedback also the Discord feedback and I can tell you its a lot

@marianne-van-es

I hope we will hear something. Race was possibly only the reason, but @Sinisism request was not race. It was communication. And I can only hope that this is also in focus and is not forgotten by the race feedback.

@claudius-dc-sailer you're joking right? As soon as the criticism gets tough their English comprehension disappears and they just tell you what they want to be the truth.

@testcyp

Criticizing the race is absolutely legitimate, but it should not forget the fundamental problem of massive communication problems. For the moment, however, the criticism of communication is beginning to slip into the background and go under.
The only thing I want to say.... don‘t forget the communication issue. In Discord the issue and focus is race not communication.

So sweep sweep sweep move on nothing to see here I take it, as still no official reply from sp well apart from nerfing him to almost useless thanx again sp no more racing for us.

@callumarachnoid said in Racing in the Dark:

So sweep sweep sweep move on nothing to see here I take it, as still no official reply from sp well apart from nerfing him to almost useless thanx again sp no more racing for us.

You cannot nerf an unreleased monster about whom there was no official info.

Bad communication is SP's fault, still racing in the dark is totally fault of the players.

@ekto-gamat Think u will find sp did exactly that they know people get information from other sites it’s why there vague as possible they don’t want us to have the info can u imagine if they actually come out and said well this monster does this that whatever people would go well not worth it then so let’s not bother sp will never let that happen. I also want a reply from fox or Carlos explaining why the new changes because as far as I can tell it’s only for greed reason definitely not for player fun.

@callumarachnoid

@marianne-van-es great marianne heard it all before though like I said if race stays like this our team will not be participating and hope others do the same so that’s now another thing in game that has become less fun keeps going like this what will be the point in playing at all.

@callumarachnoid yup not a good track record lately for races. They leak a garbage monster like Cyber Patient then when everyone says HELL NO they make him an amazing monster. Then they leak a great monster like Shademoon and everyone wants in them nerf it to Hayman status.
Any wonder why people down on races?

Best bet for your money is to use gems on orbs and get warmasters. The only sure thing in the game lately.

Lots of players take "leaks" for granted, so if info comes from another sources but SP we should know it's not a 100% reliable because it's not official info, as simple as that. I do agree with what @Ekto-Gamat said . . . miscommunication prior the race from SP, although it was already suggested that next race we get the option to test the monster just like we test a Warmaster whenever is released a new one so we can see and decide for ourselves whether if the monster is worth racing and spending for or not

Sweep sweep sweep nothing to see move on I mean how long can it take to tell us that new changes implemented are not for player enjoyment but just pure greed.

Well if Shademoon was actually good there would be a lot less complaining.
SP made Shademoon complete garbage and now everyone feels ripped off. I wouldn’t do 4 laps for this trash monster.

@testcyp And if this doesn’t make everyone boycott future races I do not know what will and of course the sound of silence from sp as usual

@testcyp said in Racing in the Dark:

SP made Shademoon complete garbage and now everyone feels ripped off. I wouldn’t do 4 laps for this trash monster.

Seriously, are we looking at the same monster? He is not 'up there' with Nemeses and Warmasters, but he shouldn't be. He is a race monster. Solid and useful, as he should be.

@callumarachnoid and all others no sweep sweep but there was/is a lot of feedback and sure they could have given a quick awnser but instead they eant to read it all and see it from all sides and sorry to say this to you that haven given feedback i know a reaction will come and I will share it but I dont expect it to be before monday maybe maybe on Friday or in weekend we will see but its coming

@marianne-van-es keep hearing it’s coming marianne u said we should hear something after this weekend now next weekend or maybe Friday not blaming u and as I said won’t really matter unless sp say we are returning races to previous as new format is not at all for players enjoyment but for us to make more profit.

From what I've heard, the monster was definitely nerfed from when we first learned about him. AND the reality of the ambiguous skill descriptions turned out to be the lesser of the possibilities. I won't say the monster's useless, but it doesn't come close to having the impact we once believed.

SP's continued silence leads me to believe the whole series of events was calculated. They knew the monster seen from early data-mining would turn heads, then the skill descriptions on the wiki would keep us on the hook through the race.

Now the question is, will they continue this practice or be a little more open in the future? My money's on the former. Come on SP, I'm begging here, prove me wrong.

@callumarachnoid sorry about that we heard a reaction not her but on Discord its alot to review but I will post some comments here

@callumarachnoid
its bit difficult to capture all because it ar conversations so i picked a view sentences so you get a feeling what is said

also there were talks with yehudi about the race yesterday on discord but its difficult to put that here because it has to placed in context

@ekto-gamat yeah he’s useful if you’ve never done a race before but he isn’t close to Burotgor, Learnan, Neobuki, Gakora, he’s like below Igneus and about equal with Baltasar.
If you’re not a spirit monster you have nothing to fear since this guy hits like a wet noodle

@testcyp said in Racing in the Dark:

@ekto-gamat yeah he’s useful if you’ve never done a race before but he isn’t close to Burotgor, Learnan, Neobuki, Gakora, he’s like below Igneus and about equal with Baltasar.
If you’re not a spirit monster you have nothing to fear since this guy hits like a wet noodle

Thanks, that's a much fairer assessment than comparing him to Haymann.

Agreed, he probably is no Neobuki, Burotgor (who by the way, became mostly A class thanks to Elvira) or Gakora.

His use is more 'niche' than general, but really, Xiron is a magic spirit, the most used Nemesis, and will ALWAYS face this guy in magic and spirit wars.

I can also think of some nice ways to abuse his AOE guard down though.

So hopefully there is some info on peoples opinions on race changes today marianne

@callumarachnoid i asked we should be hearing something today @Fox told me so

MAKUGAN INFO PLEASE.

For farts sake.

@sinisism said in Racing in the Dark:

MAKUGAN INFO PLEASE.

For farts sake.

Yup, everything won't feel like a scam if SP just provide the necessary info for the players.

For example is this Makugan going to be another monster whose cells will become untradeable? If so, I think it would change a lot of player's mind whether or not to spend gems or money to get her cells from chests and survival dungeon.

I certainly would not if it means I have to buy very overpriced gambling chests to rank her further in the future (like the recent Cain chests).

Fox says SP will release official stats and skills for Makgan today. If they do, bigtime KUDOS to SP.

@sinisism https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/11225/makugan-quest/2
@callumarachnoid https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/11258/team-race-feedback-and-next-actions

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/11258/team-race-feedback-and-next-actions

"Monster Information

We know how important it is to have as much information as possible about the Monsters we release.
For that end, we are thinking about new ways to show stats, traits and skills directly inside the game, even before the event starts.
This might take some time to be implemented in-game. In the meantime we commit to show reliable and detailed information about Race’s Monsters through our social channels (Update Section, Forum, Discord, Facebook)."

Thank you, SP. When it comes to monster info, this is even more than I could have asked for. For now, @Marianne-van-Es's stat sheets are awesome as long as they're release early enough!

Now, follow it up with being more open where appropriate in the future, and I promise it'll make a difference.