For some reason sp just wants us to spend more money on this game. Why do you say that? Because they are increasing the rune level to 12. Level 10 runes are hard to get for most f2p players (some can’t even get to the 30th room in treasure cave), so why do you have to increase the rune level to 12?

@just_nethaniel-0 said in Level 12 runes....:

For some reason sp just wants us to spend more money on this game. Why do you say that? Because they are increasing the rune level to 12. Level 10 runes are hard to get for most f2p players (some can’t even get to the 30th room in treasure cave), so why do you have to increase the rune level to 12?

They aren't. Not in the way you seem to think.

See https://forums.socialpointgames.com/post/70774

Have my concerns about it but I'd make a proper judgement myself when more info is out, especially recipes, mechanics and clearing out some doubts and not based from what I might think, especially when I barely know something about it

The biggest question I haven't seen asked is will level x runes now downgrade? If this is the case then this is a really bad idea. Getting to level x is a huge deal for most. If they will not downgrade then this level increase should be fine. Anyone know?

@ibobs72 said in Level 12 runes....:

The biggest question I haven't seen asked is will level x runes now downgrade?

This is also my biggest concern. You go and fork out 345 gems to buy a X team stamina and you can't safely convert it into something useful let alone do changes to your existing setup that you worked hard on for many years!!!

@ibobs72

Well, it will not be possible to gamble up to level XI or XII since they are just recipes to combine normal X runes, so I see no logical scope for downgrading.

@david-ml I think that's one of the biggest concerns for all if not the main one . . . Like I said, I have my concerns about it and this is one of them, but guess we'll have to wait to see how this is going to work and if it applies the same mechanics as we know already when it comes to craft an X rune

@c0ntr1v3d you say there is no gamble up... But 11 is bigger than 10... So that's going up... Right? anyway, let's see what happens but xs going down would be an epic disaster, if not legendary.

Copying my thoughts from a reply on an anti lvl XII post on Facebook:

I am not sure why anyone is surprised, or should be in any way angered. SP always adds new content to the game: the Lab, Relics, Warmasters, Nemeses, VIPs, lvl X runes. In the end all these changes improved game play. The game would have become utterly boring if we were still playing with rank 0 Thetys and Volt without relics.

Having said that, I am not sure what the point is of these new changes. The vast majority of players is still 'working' on their runes, so I cannot imagine these changes are in any way interesting to them. Even some elite players still have to continuously add new high runes to their inventory to be able to keep everything runed properly, especially if they want to play TBGR well. There is not much room for them to create mutant runes either.

The only change this will probably make is a select few mega whales from the highest ranked teams getting these runes, which will make it even harder to fight them, which will cause even more 'elite' players to take the cowards path in hiding from them or creating a new team.

@ekto-gamat said in Level 12 runes....:

In the end all these changes improved game play.

lol. XD

@ekto-gamat said in Level 12 runes....:

The vast majority of players is still 'working' on their runes, so I cannot imagine these changes are in any way interesting to them. Even some elite players still have to continuously add new high runes to their inventory to be able to keep everything runed properly, especially if they want to play TBGR well. There is not much room for them to create mutant runes either.

Exactly how I felt.

I want mutant runes to replace all the existing runes in the game. That would spice things up a bit.

There are players who have spent 10,000£s on level X speed runes, and now to just remove them from the game in favour of mutant runes?

LOL

@clackers They are not removing anything bro. Level X speed runes are, and will still be, relevant.

@ibobs72 said in Level 12 runes....:

@c0ntr1v3d you say there is no gamble up... But 11 is bigger than 10... So that's going up... Right? anyway, let's see what happens but xs going down would be an epic disaster, if not legendary.

Yes, agreed. But, logically, I + I + I + X cannot go to XI, right? XI just means a level X rune with a secondary effect, by combining two runes (temporarily until you want to dismantle it back into its components). And XII just means a level X rune with a slightly stronger secondary effect.

So, if I + I + I + X cannot go to XI, why would it have a chance of going down to IX? There is no rune craft gambling going on.

As you say, we shall see. Personally I think SP should not have called these XI and XII runes. Just X Hybrid and X Hybrid+, or something. Calling them XI and XII runes was always going to create hysteria. Not just foreseeably, but certainly.

@c0ntr1v3d I + I + I + X = 13... Lol! Sorry... Couldn't help myself ¡!!!!!!!!!!

@ibobs72 normal runes still cap at X so they still cant downgrade.
mutated runes cap at XII and are made by recipe hope this answers it

@marianne-van-es if that's the case then I say bring on the mutants!!

@ibobs72 there are some concerns mine are:

• how do the recipe's look like and how will you get them
• the combination with life gives an enormous buff (lvl 3/4 runes 81%/117%) can be countered by some monsters but is still a bit messy (math is done by people more smarther than me thanks @sonnorcteer @Dorijan-Lendvaj @amort3k )
• unequipping will cost lots of gems to mutate existing runes - solution would be mutating will work like feeding relics on monster or more preferable by most unequipping for gold/free

@Fox everyone, rightly or wrongly, sees this as another gem grab. Give us 2 seasons with unequip for gold to prove it's not

I have to agree with @C0ntr1v3d , still not too late to rename them "Mutant" runes to stop the confusion. As far as I can gather from Fox's explanation, the primary rune, remains the same, i.e, a lvl XI or XII speed rune will be the same as a lvl X speed rune, but the secondary mutation, say if it's a life mutation, will only add a lvl 3 to a maximum of a lvl 4 of that of a life rune. I also, saw an example of a lvl 5 mutant rune...what will SP call them, lvl 5b runes..? Just don't see the need to number the lvl X mutation, if that's the case. I don't see any greed or gem grabbing involved...but I do see it as more of a specialist concept. Personally, relics already fill that space, for me...

@ss13 it's WIP
also relics and runes act different so there is a difference

@marianne-van-es I don't recall saying relics & runes were the same...I understand, how relics fill that void for me, since some replenish stamina, some extend your life, some replenish life, some boost your strength, etc... perhaps, yours do completely different things...but anyway, you have a right to your opinion.

@ss13 I really haven't made up my mind to be honest

Hi everyone,

Just to clarify some things.

1. Rune X won't downgrade.
2. Mutant Runes are a different branch of existing runes.
3. We will rename XI and XII so it doesn't cause more confusion since it's not a continuation of RuneX.

@fox and what about F2P players?

@clackers please clarify the question