This is something I was thinking and wondering since I talked with @Ekto-Gamat that more than 4 monsters can't fit in the habitats. Let's say I agree that the game will break/slow in many devices if more than 4 monsters, with full animations, are present on each habitat. What about introducing a new island + increasing the max habitats to 100 (now is 90)? Is this busted too ? I mean many many players will be jubilant, including myself, to know that they can have 40 more legendaries out in their islands instead of the Vault.

I think either putting more monsters per habitat or adding another island with habitats may have a similar impact on performance for older devices.

I would love move room as well beside the vault which gets expansive. I can’t think of a valid reason for the increasing gem costs to unlock slots when it is purely a store and we get no benefit (gold production) from anything in there.

@Fox just for interest sake is it possible we can get a list of top 10 most used devices?

Don't quite understand the reason of worrying old device performance. If the game is so good and addictive, users would definitely upgrade their hardware to enjoy the game better.

Hi!, I proposed something on the feedback-Spanish channel (discord).. -For habitats L lvl 5-
1 - Give an option in the habitats to deactivate the animations ( Where are the options to sell, information, create "Show animation" where you can on/off the option)
Then, you can have 10 habitats with animations and 80 deactivations that improve the performance of your cell phone, tablet, etc.
To feed or find a monster they will be able to do it by going to the pvp menu to change the attack and look for the monster, etc.

Sorry for my English, I hope you can understand the idea.

@niiqo-dziuma I do understand the gist of it and it's cool. I'm hoping for an official input on the matter, maybe the animations are not the one to blame and it's something else.

The UI of this game is so 2013.

We don't even need habitats, and we don't need to see out monsters walking around.

This is a FIGHTING game, or a HERO COLLECTOR.

There is so many examples of games doing it right - I can't understand why $P can't just move with the times and copy other games?

I think they could make habitats act as mini-vaults, so no monsters can be seen, until you enter them. Or only the highlighted monster can be seen.
This way they could make the habitats store more than 4 monsters, even for some gems (like 5-10 gems per space).

@clackers You are so true about the UI. I have made already a post some time ago that we need an overhaul. Their design/art department is so SICK I'm sure they can do magic.

And they could charge some gems for customizing those mini-vaults, like new designs (make it look like a volcano for fire monsters, etc...), decorations, changing their color, ... etc
I know this would require a major overhaul, but it would certainly help with performance and storage space.

Open up the game and see something like this:

That is from Age of Magic... instead of Heroes, just have the word Monsters.

@esentis I do not think there is anything "guilty".
Only commercial strategy for you to buy slots in the ark.
The only problem in the lvl 5 habitats is that more memory would be needed, I suppose in the cell phone, tablet, etc.

As said by others and is already partially done anyway, just freeze animations. Have a toggle in the settings for graphic quality as many other games have, there definitely are ways to keep this game viable for older devices....

...I'd love to see Lvl 5 habitats. Said somewhere else that it should be costly but worth it, ie. 150M upgrade and increase max gold to 1.5M.

It's a commercial choice. There doesn't have to be any valid technical reason, the choice has been made not to do this.

@ibobs72 I hope that's not the case. Otherwise, it's really sad..

@clackers said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

Open up the game and see something like this:

Wow! Is this the Monster Legend we will see in 5 years time?

@skeelmaster I don't know if you're being sarcastic... but honestly I HOPE SO!

@skeelmaster
Nah it will be something like this:

Crossing fingers

@esentis What about people who have already spend 1000s of gems on Vault storage? Will they be reimbursed?

@clackers With that logic nothing new can be introduced...

I don't have to see all the monsters in the habitat, do I? The animation is a big mess as it is, so when I look for a certain monster I use the monstagram or the list in pvp. So, the habitats could very well contain 5 or even 6 monsters, even if the animation would only show 4 monsters.

I am sorry, but the problem with old devices is just an excuse. The high price for Vault space is the proof that the real issue is SP trying to limit the number of monsters we'd be able to host for free. You pay or you gonna have to sell some monsters, which we all hate to do. I understand the idea, but let's be honest about it and not blame it on some animation.

Fingers crossed for this new feature they promise, which could reverse this policy. But I am afraid it is going to be some kind of monthly subscription or pass.

Reading through the messages -- indeed, the islands could use a major overhaul. I have to say I am a bit embarrassed when I show the game to my friends. They are all like, what is this old game you play?

@clackers i didn't see a refund when they made skill changes free. It would suck for those who already invested heavily but they did receive a benefit to having slots unlocked where others simply sold monsters as a solution

8 monsters per habitat!, slots on the Vault for gold!

@esentis How about the game is planned from THE BEGINNING, rather than the Devs changing their ideas like the wind. No other games does that. ML seems to reinvent itself every 6 months just to survive - and while they may sound like a good business strategy, it simply peeves the player base.

@esentis
I agree - a new Island once in a while effectively increasing capacity with 40 monsters should be possible and cannot be a problem for those spending on the Vault as well. After all: we all have spend gems on the vault (after first selling out monsters just to find out we need them for books, Team Battlefield etc).
As I documented many month ago some players solved the limitations of 4 Legendary monsters in one habitat (they had many more than 4 and not just Ls). So it is not a technical problem.
Change of design? Hmm, be carefull - there are so many games "out there" that look like clones of {ok, I will not name them here}, so to be inspired by others is ok, but to be a copycat can be leathal.

@clackers said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

@esentis How about the game is planned from THE BEGINNING, rather than the Devs changing their ideas like the wind. No other games does that. ML seems to reinvent itself every 6 months just to survive - and while they may sound like a good business strategy, it simply peeves the player base.

Well, many games does that. Game is a "living" entity, especially MMOs. They always evolve and change, you can't really plan ahead for 4-5 years and stick to that. You can always prove me wrong with some game examples that did planned EVERYTHING from the beginning. Much bigger titles than ML have rebooted their core mechanics. A simple example is D3's real money AH that was in-game from the beginning but was ditched in later date. The purpose of this post is to try find a middle solution through dialog, instead of just bashing SP for their "greediness".

I'm not a Veteran, I started playing the game roughly a year ago and haven't seen any reinvention of the game the last 6-12 months (recently controlled status effects should have been in-game from the beginning, if this is your example of major game changes). I still see the same Mazes, the same Races (with some node tweaks), the same ridiculously expensive Progressive Islands,the same Breeding Events..

You can't have everyone happy, this is a fact. Let's just be logical and a bit more constructive

If they cannot do something to increase the size of habitats, they must be the worst developers ever seen.
Ofc they can, it is so simple. And even improving performance with the monsters moving.
They just want to milk gems through vault. Please, people, don’t be naive. In any game with minimal common sense policy, they force players to update to new versions. You don’t update, you don’t play.
Allowing different versions at the same time is just unbelievable.

I am sure that the developers can come up with a technical solution that will work for most mobile devices. They just need to be given the time and direction to do it.

We've been asking them for years, something like 3-4 years...& lol, the best they could come up with was the gem guzzling Monster Vault...mine is still considered cheap, at 65 gems for a monster that cannot earn any gold. Sorry, not trying to belittle anyone here, especially, since I've seen a few heated posts on the forum, recently...(sigh). Someone recently posted a screenshot of some SP rep stating that something is on the horizon at the end of February... it's hard not to be underwhelmed by SP's announcements .

Hmm...?

@esentis said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

Hmm...?

What version do you have? Where are you seeing this, you are the second person I've seen post about this?

@nynaevelan Update notes in Play store for 7.8 version. Updating rn.

At least they give me a variety of ways

@esentis said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

@nynaevelan Update notes in Play store for 7.8 version. Updating rn.

Aaah thanks I was looking in the Updates section in the game. Thanx.

EDIT: Hmmm my description says you get a key each time to you level up. I see two problems with this, one I am already at max level and 2 just one key per level? Ugh they just do not understand the meaning of this game, at all!!

@nynaevelan If this is correct it’s even worse than I thought it was going to be this is what they have took all this time to come up with level up, get free slots for monsters u cannot even collect gold for, also they have given no incentive to lvl up in fact quiet the opposite I honestly feel now the devs have no idea at all about this game.

Now if they backdate it to open everyone’s slot to the lvl there already on that would be a great move by sp some how can’t see that happening though

@nynaevelan Even if they reward the keys retrospectively, you will just get 150 keys and that's all. Unless they increase the max level to 1000 and introduce one new adventure island every 2 weeks/ 1 month, and of course more ways of increasing the level. In that way at least, level would actually matter.

@callumarachnoid said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

Now if they backdate it to open everyone’s slot to the lvl there already on that would be a great move by sp some how can’t see that happening though

Now this I have a problem with, if they are going to give out free slots then it should be the same across the board. In all honesty this vault was a great idea that was executed VERY, VERY badly!! They need to just give everyone 10 free slots and change the cost of slots to gold. This is one thing that DC definitely has done better than ML.

They also need to just adopt DC's hab leveling that increases levels for another 5 levels. Getting the tokens for them is a slow, tedious process but at least it is doable without draining your non-growing gems. If I had to pick a feature which will drive me away from ML, it is this one right here. It is bad enough high level players have a hard time collecting monsters then you add in the fact that it will cost you just as much if not more to have somewhere to put those monsters but these two features encourages the collectors of the game to just cut your losses and move on. Which is why I barely play the game, my participation in events are sporadic at best, and now the features I ignore are outpacing those that I don't.

Woo didn't realize I had such a rant in me.....good thing I have other games to occupy my time and funds.

@nynaevelan really don’t get why it would upset u though players that are over lvl 100 have put a great deal of time into the game but going with ur option a player on lvl 20 for example should get the same as high lvl player, me personally I don’t see it that way I think a backdated vault open would be a great idea, do I see it happening not a chance.

One more thing, you get Vault at level 70. Do you get the keys from level 1 or when Vault is built? If the later is the case, then you will just get 80 keys so just 80 free slots...?

@esentis said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

One more thing, you get Vault at level 70. Do you get the keys from level 1 or when Vault is built? If the later is the case, then you will just get 80 keys so just 80 free slots...?

This would create so much inequity, and no I do not think there should be keys given for levels that are not eligible. In other words keys should not be given out to levels lower than level 70. But why should some players get 80 keys while others get 100? Even as a higher player who would get 150 keys based on this theory, I think this will create so much uproar in the community. Even if you only count the levels starting at 70 for a level 150 player that would be 80 keys and do you really think the devs would do something like this? Especially for devs who have not been programming this game with the user base in mind. Pft we would be lucky if they gave us 5 free slots, if memory serves didn't the vault open with only 2 or 3 free slots??

But to get back to the original start of this convo,look at the fact that they are making this "improvement" and tying it to level ups knowing that a large portion of the community has no level ups and it is this portion of the community that needs the vault slots the most proves that they have no clue about their community base or any intention of doing any development for the community's benefit rather than theirs.

Oh and if they are going to give out free slots in large numbers they will have A LOT of complaints from users who spent large amounts of gems on them, and I will most likely be a part of that mob.

@nynaevelan I'm waiting patiently for the official announcement and the details. Maybe we are missing something, I hope.

@nynaevelan what the devs should be doing and should have done from the start after introducing the vault to fix a problem they created is open slots for gold instead of trying to gem grab as usual.

@callumarachnoid said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

@nynaevelan what the devs should be doing and should have done from the start after introducing the vault to fix a problem they created is open slots for gold instead of trying to gem grab as usual.

EXACTLY!! I truly think they develop these features for the naive newbies....which is why there are new chests every single day. And features like the Treasure Cave. And my skepticism is thinking these mutant runes will be just the same.

@callumarachnoid ...& how many players pleaded to use that concept... including Haka Taka...got told, it was all equivalent to the cost of habitats & islands...lol, I've not spent 65 gems on an island! Whatever... let's wait & see how this little detail pans out (sigh)
Edited to add: Just had a look at taringa, so, I'm a bit apprehensive to post the information here, & yes, it's not official...but it says, 5 free keys per level, once you hit level 70 (unofficial).

@ss13 said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

@callumarachnoid ...& how many players pleaded to use that concept... including Haka Taka...got told, it was all equivalent to the cost of habitats & islands...lol, I've not spent 65 gems on an island! Whatever... let's wait & see how this little detail pans out (sigh)
Edited to add: Just had a look at taringa, so, I'm a bit apprehensive to post the information here, & yes, it's not official...but it says, 5 free keys per level, once you hit level 70 (unofficial).

Does it say anything for those who are at level 150?? They should at least give those of us already maxed out the 400 keys we would have gotten....but yeah I know they won't. Just very wishful thinking on my part.

@nynaevelan said in Will Increasing Max Habitats Break the Game?:

Oh and if they are going to give out free slots in large numbers they will have A LOT of complaints from users who spent large amounts of gems on them, and I will most likely be a part of that mob.

Vault started with 2 open slots. When I bought the vault I nearly chucked my phone when I saw it cost gems to unlock more than 2 slots. Glad my kids were not within hearing distance...

Curious, what fix could be implemented to the space issue that would not cause a lot of complaining from users who are heavily invested in the vault?

This puts the devs in a corner; the community is crying for more affordable space for monsters but be careful that the solution doesn't cause an uproar from those who already bought lots of space with gems but, still, give us affordable space, just remember some spent lots of gems already so... it should fair to them, but not cost gems.

I do understand that it would be frustrating to have spend piles of gems on vault slots only to see people later on getting those for free. I would guess the way out is to give some type of reward to those already invested in the vault, something like how the master of paths scroll rewards work. For every 5 or 10 slots open, you get an incrementally better chest filled with runes and elemental cells? Doubtful.

I've opened 80 slots so far, and for me personally, if they backfill all the keys for my level ups past 70 I'd be okay with that. It's true that if I had 3-400 free slots I'd probably not have bought the other slots, but I did get some time-value out of the slots already and will still have 80 slots more to utilize later. If they decided to refund all of our previous spending that would be awesome, but I don't expect it and won't be disappointed unless they don't properly distribute keys to everyone.

@nynaevelan , yes, it clearly states, 5 keys for each level you've passed level 70. I have a screenshot, but will post it in the leaked thread.

@ss13 Any word on how many keys are needed per slot? The assumption here is that it's 1 key per slot. Everything else in this game gets more expensive as you buy more, is this going to be any different?