....for everyone who worked hard to get into the top brackets of Gold Fever. The amount of time and effort and gems I have put in over 3 years to get into the top 500 has now been turned into dust overnight. It's a kick in the guts for every F2P or casual spender who invested into this event. AND I am sure that there will be many top players, too, that will be furious....

....Top 500 used to be around 440 M and Top 50 around 650 M gold. Now a player who previously didn't even make it into the top 500 can easily outdo a top 50 player just by buying the pass. So essentially all your very best top players will feel the squeeze @Fox and ripped off and extorted by SP as the huge amount of gems and money they have invested will be for nothing unless the buy the premium pass ALL THE TIME, MONTH to MONTH....

....I am seriously thinking of following Ekto's footsteps. You work hard on this game and despite spending and investing way too much time of your life, you end up moving backwards!

If this Premium Pass stays, I suggest you make the extra gold not count for Gold Fever! I can't see a way of mitigating the effect on Growth Spurt but saving Gold Fever would be at least a small compromise and probably VERY welcome by all top players!!!

@david-ml said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

If this Premium Pass stays, I suggest you make the extra gold not count for Gold Fever! I can't see a way of mitigating the effect on Growth Spurt but saving Gold Fever would be at least a small compromise and probably VERY welcome by all top players!!!

Yes I think this will be fairer.

Or you could add in the gold from the vault as this is generated by gem spending

@david-ml truuly agreed!!

@david-ml I totally understand and I too have been working towards moving up in Gold Fever and Growth Spurt, but SP has always been about how to offer the player a shortcut to fame and fortune. This is probably the smartest things they have ever done for their profits, because its small amount of money that P2P might not mind spending, especially for the easy edge it gives them.

I am frustrated too, but as F2P, I have to just deal with it, because the $50 I spent once in 2.5 years doesn't qualify me to be seriously listened to.

It would be sad to see you go. I continue to play, because even though I saw the effect of the Premium Pass on the last growth spurt and how I got pushed down. I will continue to play just to show that it can be done with less.

I understand there has to be a shortcut to fame and fortune for paying customers, but this is too much. Paying should give a boost to starting players, but not put them on the same level with those that worked hard for a strong economy. This will drive away even more the players that actually put some strategic thought in this game. We already see them quitting by numbers.

So I probably get the you defend SP talk again.... and all it effects me to.
But its 25 gems once in 2 weeks sorry I can really be that bothered.
I know its not fair if you worked hard to get that finally that reward of the 25 gems in every 2 weeks, but its also sort of okay not to think ooops shouldent have collected 8 hours before challenge starts.
I cant stop you from following in Ekto footsteps but he didnt quit because of this so not really fair to take that in your argument in fact when this pass was first introduced on Taringa he was more mild about than I was: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3400/leaks-not-official-nor-confirmed-info/723

@marianne-van-es I was talking about the work and pride of achieving a high performance economy. You make it sound as if I was talking about 25 gems and you suggest I am being cheap. I think this is a new low even for you.

@karbie-sweet I think the even for you part is very offensive tbh

I said I quote myself now "But its 25 gems once in 2 weeks sorry I can really be that bothered" I'm a player its my opinion as a player but I guess I'm being lower than my usual self should not give my opinion...

did I tag you I reacted on a post again giving my opinion

I know its not fair if you worked hard to get that finally that reward, also in my post

and I ended with what in my eyes for me is a relief because for me to get in the top 5000 I needed to be very careful to stop collecting 8 hours before and during race try to figure out to have enough gold to help my team when a quest came up and I can do without that stress for 25 gems every 2 weeks this is my view and not a low blow to building up a good economic I cant help you are feeling attacked even if I dont tag you that's not on me

After testing this new island I thought of writing here, that although it works very well I would suggest that SP differentiated the rewards so that more experienced players could get more relevant rewards (instead of gold or food). Some games rewards tokens (the same for everybody) the players can exchange for rewards relevant to the players situation. That is even more player friendly.
I did not imagine higher ranking players spending good money on a rather mediocre amount of gems only twice a month. But some did. To bad: if players continue to do so, it will be difficult to convince SP to change it into something useful (normally a Premium, Season or VIP Pass is a fee that basically gives all that is needed to progress in the game).
I hope it is just a temporary phenomenon. I believe the idea is excellent if converted into something useful (orbs, cells, runes, skins...).

@jorgen-schultz problem with that is the top 3 maybe top 50 players they probably feel sort of forced to do so I think.

I bought another week because it was useful to help my team out in race just as I buy gems to help out my team but I wont be buying next one

I happen to quite agree with most of the OP. I understand perfectly if a player chooses not to put in too much effort to get 25-50 gems in 2 weeks, that's a personal choice, but for those who DO WANT TO, the Premium Pass is quite a slap in the face, and almost forcing expenditure for maintaining competitive play in the Timed Challenges. Besides, 25-50 gems is not a very trivial amount, considering competitive play in wars and PvP requires rune slot unlocking, rune moving etc.

as all features for money the success of the premium pass depends if players spend on it or not. ohh and I forgot

@david-ml , some of us from untamable would miss your presence in the game. We've had some competitive wars against Aussie Rocks, especially the all epic wars. I for one understand what you meant by "following in Ekto's footsteps"...sorry.

Agree... I crafted 5-8 team gold runes and placed it on moonters just to get additional 25 gems each week and have fun to be in top 500. But now it's not worth even with premium pass. For these money I just can buy this number of gems

And 95% of other games out there.

@testcyp said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

Way of the ML world my friend

@dewei sorry to correct you every other week, its love season or gold challenge

@marianne-van-es
Indeed: top players have to get the current Premium Pass if they aspire to (or are) in top 3. I would say they are stressed to do so.
Besides that: every player in this game has their reasons to do as they do - only they would know what is best for them (or their team). I have had the fortune of teaming up with players who (as you have done) actually help each other. In the end: helping your team or teammates is helping yourself (just as Team Fraternity events has helped a lot of players getting monster that would otherwise be off limit to them).

For the Premium Pas though, my hope is it can be converted into something beneficial for all players. I think it is very, very useful for the beginner levels where food and gold is limiting players progress, I would really like it to be a constructive tool for more advanced players as well.

After all: buying something because you are stressed to do so is destructive, getting something because it helps you - or others -is much more constructive. I have no dought what so ever that constructivity is a much more sustainable path. Also for a private company.

@jorgen-schultz well I sure will pass on your idea

I agree. I also worked hard to Finally reach the top 5000 in the Gold quest. And now the premium pass is like a punch in the stomach. It Seems as if SP is trying hard take away anything that you accomplish. It is absolutely frustrating.

I thought I should come back to my thread and follow up on a few things. First

@marianne-van-es said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

I cant stop you from following in Ekto footsteps but he didnt quit because of this so not really fair to take that in your argument in fact when this pass was first introduced on Taringa he was more mild about than I was

As annoyed as I am, I probably won't yet follow his footsteps. However, I will reduce my engagement somewhat to cool down a bit. Also, the idea of a premium pass isn't the problem, it's the execution! I am sure Ekto would have been equally unhappy seeing his work into Gold Fever going up in smoke. And I'm sure that if he's reading this, will be confirmed in his decision to quit!

@jorgen-schultz said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

I did not imagine higher ranking players spending good money on a rather mediocre amount of gems only twice a month.

I agree, other then the unfortunate effect on Gold Fever, the Pass holds little value for top players!

@johnml said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

I understand perfectly if a player chooses not to put in too much effort to get 25-50 gems in 2 weeks, that's a personal choice, but for those who DO WANT TO, the Premium Pass is quite a slap in the face

This is the point. Gold Fever is a competition. It is a competition about who builds the best gold economy and you receive appropriate rewards for doing well. I don't have a problem with someone harvesting twice the amount of gold, but it should not count against Gold Fever! It's like getting a guaranteed 200 PvP trophies every day without fighting PvP. Would that be fair? Oh maybe you can purchase a Team War Pass and you get double the coins for each fight to give your team an advantage? Yeah, let's do this

And whilst this Pass has also moved the threshold of Growth Spurt, it didn't have as much of an impact as people still have to do mindless feeding to get high scores which many can't be bothered, so the competitive effect of who's the best mindless monster feeder is still there!

@david-ml said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

I thought I should come back to my thread and follow up on a few things. First

@marianne-van-es said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

I cant stop you from following in Ekto footsteps but he didnt quit because of this so not really fair to take that in your argument in fact when this pass was first introduced on Taringa he was more mild about than I was

As annoyed as I am, I probably won't yet follow his footsteps. However, I will reduce my engagement somewhat to cool down a bit. Also, the idea of a premium pass isn't the problem, it's the execution! I am sure Ekto would have been equally unhappy seeing his work into Gold Fever going up in smoke. And I'm sure that if he's reading this, will be confirmed in his decision to quit!

I only left the game, I am not dead, you can still ask what I would think of it.

As most non-battle related competitive elements in the game I never cared much for Gold Fever. Even sacrificed my top 500 position to rank everything I could for TBGR.

Does not mean I do not understand why people can be angry. Gold Fever traditionally was one of the few contests in which F2P could compete for the big prices with P2P. Not anymore it seems.

As I said although some thought I didnt, I get why people are mad they now dont get the extra 25 gems every 2 week I however am not, my personal opinion. That doesnt mean I wont forward the complaints about this and the suggested changes like asked here in this thread

@marianne-van-es would be nice if Devs actually paid attention to what's going on instead of letting mods decide what's worthy of getting passed for their attention. You know, especially since they are unpaid and their "personal" opinions are always influenced with keeping their jobs as mods

@testcyp I pass on all if I agree with it or not so dont worry

Personally I have the Premium Pass. I am Level 137. I did not get in the Top 5000 for Gold Fever or the Growth Spurt. Not sure how that gives me so much Gold & Food that it would defeat all the Top 5000 with Level 130 Warmasters/Nemesis/VIPs! I don't care anything about spending hundreds of dollars to get Warmasters!

@david-ml my issue with increased feeding is only based on aquiring the personal 3rd tier gems, not the associated top earner challenge so see how that could be extra frustrating. As f2p, the 25 gems from gold and feeding challenges are a major income for me. This time it wasnt so bad bc free pass and race rewards gave me lots of loot, but normally i have less than 6m gems at one time and 7.5m next time will prob wipe me out. Meh oh well

@star-parts probably me and I dont understand what you say here but as I understand it you normally didnt get in top 5000 for feed and gold challenge? and you now have problems with getting 3rd reward? Because getting 3rd reward hasn't changed

In my honest opinion, I think the Premium Pass is up to you. If you buy it, It's your fault you worked off many years but do not complain there taking your money because you hit that "Purchase" button.

@marianne-van-es said in The Premium Pass just undid years of hard work....:

@star-parts probably me and I dont understand what you say here but as I understand it you normally didnt get in top 5000 for feed and gold challenge? and you now have problems with getting 3rd reward? Because getting 3rd reward hasn't changed

The 25 gems i was talking about are my personal reward for completing the solo feed part (nothing to do with the gems from community challenge of who feeds more overall).

It used to take 5m to fill the bar and get my gems but now it takes 7.5m which is quite a bit more. Hope that makes more sense

@star-parts thats because you leveled not because of premium pass

@marianne-van-es oh ok. Dont remember seeing that much of a jump before so didnt realize. I withdraw complaint

@star-parts yes, it progressively goes up as you are levelling up until it hits 15 M food for Growth Spurt and 200 M gold for Gold Fever at Lvl 115-120 or thereabouts!

Please keep the comments civil, otherwise bans and other restrictions will occur.....carry on.

Another possible solution - 1 dollar cost if you need only gold boost or food boost. It will make sense to buy it to get additional 25 gems. And it is a price of just of the coffee cup in many countries, so it will be affordable for f2p. And many players like me have just a principle not to pay a pesso to SP. But 1 dollar I would pay and who kkows maybe it will break ice for further expences?

So im going to delete all messages which has nothing to do with OP please be kind to each other