My team is under evasion and all attacks MISS my team.
Why does Oblation staff relic cause me to lose stamina?
Oblation staff description:
"When HITTING, removes 24 points of Stamina from targets."
It does not say "when ATTACKING" or "when MISSING".

@monsterbath , relics will still drain/remove stamina under Evasion, unfortunately.

I expected that someone needs to actually hit in order for it to work. I never knew the relics worked when you miss all targets.

Do the relics still work when you miss a target that is not under evasion?

@monsterbath , if you mean the Oblation staff, then no, it doesn't drain stamina, if the monster misses the hit (if target monsters are not under Evasion).

@monsterbath I also find this annoying and incorrect. It clearly states when hitting! Not attacking therefore shouldn't affect a defending team I. E. With Elvira. This should be changed

Jasastur mask actually penetrates evasion, had gortak use an aoe 2 of my monsters under evasion and removed all stamina from all 3. I do think it should be brought in line with jakugan sword and taiga trap which can't penetrate evasion.

@tom6969

Hitting means attacking; very simple plain English. Oblation staff and Jasastur's Mask will remove the stamina even though you are under evasion unless you miss. Using Ruby equip with Oblation staff and Jasastur's Mask works well against Elvira's team.

@star I'm not sure if you are getting confused but hitting and attacking are very different. When someone attacks they either connect or they miss. If the attack misses (like it will against evAsion) then the relic should not come into play. Only an attack with remove positives or trait disable should then activate the relic. This is because it actually hits.

I have to say that I find this mechanic also illogical. If you want relics to work against evasion, then attacks need to be able to connect or miss and it needs to tell you one way or the other. If you hit and miss all three, then the relic doesn't get triggered. If you connect, then you cause 0 damage and status effects miss but the relic gets triggered AND this needs to be consistent for all relics, ie. Jakugan Sword, etc.

The way it is currently showing and working in battles doesn't make any sense at all!!!

Aren't relics supposed to be a magical perk? Why exactly, do they need to be in line with how skills work, suddenly?

That somehow balance the impact of evasion on a fight and it is not a bad thing. Plus only stamina drain relics can bypass it which is easily buffered by stamina gain relics in return so I don't see it as much an issue.

@xargul said in Evasion not working or relic working incorrectly.:

That somehow balance the impact of evasion on a fight and it is not a bad thing.

I agree and I'd like to see all relics penetrate evasion. There is nothing in the description of any of the relics giving any clue as to why the should or shouldn't penetrate. So either they all work or none! Also I get the impression that the Oblation Staff when used with AoE can't miss when used on monsters under evasion. I just think that the in-game mechanics should be tidied up and made more consistent!

@david-ml , which other relics, exactly ? The original question was in relation to Elvira's Evasion...so, can Jakugan's sword do anything, since the target's life initially, has to be below 50%? Maybe Taiga's trap...oops, target's life still has to be below 50%. There is some consistency, more so in fact against Evasion. Relics are magical, after all

I use oblation staff with sunblast. It only removes stamina on the monsters that take damage. For example it doesn't activate if I attack using "stop it's Firetime"but does on his other attacks. I agree that the relics should be clearer magic or not.

@tom6969
Yes, I may have confused. The fact is when war start, if you don't attack my base, you won't be able hit me no matter how good monsters you have.

@ss13 said in Evasion not working or relic working incorrectly.:

since the target's life initially, has to be below 50%?

If evasion has worn off a monster and you hit them and the Jakugan Sword is triggered, it should also cause damage to those still under evasion. I haven't yet had the chance to try hit a monster under evasion below 50% life to see whether it triggers in that situation - one would hope not (or at least under the current scenario)

@david-ml , I know what I was trying to point out...so, this is really something that needs SP's attention..? 'cos it's such a game changer..? No, remedy to the single use oblation staff, that drains for 1 turn...? Ok, go get SP working on a change for it then . I'm fine with it, as it is .

From my understanding, Evasion evades "all attacks", but it doesn't evade or block hits, which is why, Jasastur's mask & the Oblation staff, will still drain stamina. Thetys' SD doesn't work, because, it has to do damage to drain stamina, which is why, if she's blinded, she misses on SD.

"Evasion evades "all attacks", but it doesn't evade or block hits"

Having a hard time making sense of that sentence. Isn't the whole point of evading attacks so you don't get hit?

@ss13 said in Evasion not working or relic working incorrectly.:

so, this is really something that needs SP's attention..?

LOL, their attention is currently on releasing the most wonderful bug-free new feature called mutant runes

It's definitely not the most serious issue in the game, but you surely must see that some of the evasion-relic mechanics are not very logical!

@monsterbath I get what u mean and I didn't understand at first. SP have somehow not used evAsion correctly. When u evade an attack in this game u are actually being hit WTF! but u take no damage and don't have the skill applied to u. Therefore the relic applies because it thinks it has hit u. Not like in real life where evasion means u the apponent has missed

@david-ml plus they will have issues to sort when megataunt doesn't work properly in certain circumstances watch this space

Am I to expect these relics will also work against Shademoon with his dodge of area attacks?
Learean uses Confluent Power, hits 2 enemies but obviously misses Shademoon. Oblongation staff will still remove stamina from Shademoon?