TALIKA

if you want to rank her

BELLA BAAL

2200 for Bella cain will be impossible then

@callumarachnoid sorry why?

@marianne-van-es Well talika was 1500, to get Bella another 700 so go another 700 again for kihuki and say another 700 to get cain that’s a collection of 3600 and that is just saying it’s the 700 jump I think it will be more than that before cain so that’s my reasonings marianne

@callumarachnoid Oh yes agree but I misunderstood 2200 still can be done, last 2 prob not. Already asked if this will only be for this master of paths and I have hope it was

@marianne-van-es usual sp marianne take a good event that everyone likes then ruins it for monetary purposes another word for greed

@callumarachnoid as I said hope not

Have the collection times changed? It used to be 4 hours but I saw someone mention 2.5 hours.

@monsterbath still 4 hours for me

@monsterbath still the same, although I'm used to collect every hour, that depends on how much free time you have

I won everything from the previous "Paths" without paying. What do I notice now? Fewer cells to the egg for more coins. For now, I'm doing well, but how's the fourth? Is this a tendency for us not to succeed without spending money?

@pyrpyl since cain is a new monster (and powerful), I'm sure it won't be free. But I hope at least I can get some of his cell to rank him to r3, and hopefully we can obtain the scroll without paying

@frkac said in Master of Path part 4:

since cain is a new monster (and powerful), I'm sure it won't be free. But I hope at least I can get some of his cell to rank him to r3, and hopefully we can obtain the scroll without paying

Me too, I have Cain on r1

Hackster was 2545, I hope Cain won't be more than 2650 or thereabouts!!!

@david-ml even Kihaku will be more than that (if the price keeps increasing).

@callumarachnoid Version 3 of Master of paths was

• 1315 - Fenrir
• 2020 - Burotgor (+705)
• 2375 - Igurus (+355)
• 2545 - Hackster (+170)

It looks something like adding just over half of the first path cost to get path 2 cost. Then adding just over 1/4 of path 1 to path 2 to get path 3. Then 1/8th of path 1 to path 3 = path 4... So not at all the same step each time

Following that logic, the trend would be something like (I am only guessing at path 3 and 4) :

• 1510 - Talika
• 2200 - Bella (+690)
  * 2577 - Kihaku (+377 or 1/4 of first path)
• 2766 - Cain (+188 or 1/8th of first path)

So, Kihaku would be on the edge of f2p and Cain would likely be just out of reach (assuming 225 coins every 4 hrs, there are 2700 to collect in a 48 hr period). This would be similar to the Soul Hugger hidden path in the last maze that was f2p for the very disciplined but ever so slightly out of reach for most but close enough for a minor spent.

@teh_alan 2766 for Cain would be alright. But I think it will be more than that.
And don't forget, this time we get 20 less cells before the egg!

@keki14 Yes, likely more than 2766, Cain is a big carrot. Even at r0 he hits hard enough for me to do well in the legendary rankings.

Didn't look closely before so I didn't realize we are only getting 60 cells up to the egg. Well that just sucks, now a guy would have to get to node 31 to rank Cain twice.

Kihaku is 2625 so it is still f2p, just need almost perfect collection. I think cain will be above 2800

Cain is likely to be a lot more expensive

@frkac boo. Why make Kihaku so expensive?

I wish the game would focus on fighting and drive spending based on needing stronger monsters to compete. The warmaster dungeons are a very smart example of this; fight to get the cells. We need ranked monsters to get more cells to rank the warmasters. There are more than 1 way to get ranked monsters but there are also fast ways to do it. Either I have to watch a lot of ads or spend, both good for SP.

These mazes are nothing like that. The release from SP says Cain is newer and more powerful so will be 'harder' to get. There is nothing hard about spending money. Collecting every 4 hrs is also not hard from a game play perspective. Hard would be those battle nodes being tough as nails. Make these events achievable but hard would be fine by me. If I fail against a ranked Cain, fine. If I fail because I need 3000 coins but only have 2700 available to me, that is not hard, that is getting kobayashi maru'ed.

Placing progressively challenging nodes in the maze would favour long term players, p2p and the obsessive players and probably make the game fun.

ugh, this is probably why I'm not in sales...

@teh_alan sadly i have to completely disagree on the hard part. You are playing the wrong game. This is a turn based game based on luck and grinding. The "hard" dungeons you are talking about are just high level/good monsters, neither of which can be beaten by "skill", they are beaten by equally good monsters and common knowledge. There is simply no high level mechanical skill, nor high level tactical skill in this game.
SP saying they make it harder to get him is very much true. Compared to the other monsters you have to take more efforts to get him, you cannot collect every 4 hours and thats it.

Making it locked behind your "hard" dungeons would only switch the efforts of getting/using gems to using good enough monsters, in both situations locking out a certain group of players. There are enough events completely locked for semi-new players (eg breeding, vip dungeons etc etc), locking it behind gems is only fair. Both accessable for f2p and p2p (as gems are super easy to come by these days)

Why is it this expensive. i thought master of path was a way to get decent monsters for cheap prices. i agree you need to grind your maximum. i dont need cain give me any simple fire legendary the maximum coins a person can get is 225 x 12 which is 2700. Cain should not exede this price or the master of path event has become like every other event. pay to win

This time SP has chosen for newer and or more stronger monsters, thats why this MoP is harder. If the next time it will be like this or the older form depends how players, participate (spend). When you ask me I like the older form with less op/newer monsters, but thats me.

@marianne-van-es I don't like this "it has better monsters" argument. Taiga for me is better than Bella. We had Hackster, Igursus, Cryotan etc. How come those monsters are not relevant? It's ok with Cain be expensive but the other monsters' price increase imho is bs. But that's just my personal opinion, and it's the only master of paths I won't bother spending, solely because of that move. I mean, who asked for ""better"" and more expensive monsters in the Master of Paths ? And the cell count is dropped, if I'm not mistaken we could get 80 cells before grabbing the token of the path. Now it's 50ish cells.

@marianne-van-es Again I refer back to my earlier post sp have now took a good event that everyone in the game enjoyed and made it about money can they not just give us 1 thing without trying to squeeze out every penny.

I wouldn't have so much of a problem with this if you could still buy coins for gems as it used to be (a long time ago!). I'd happily drop a few gems to get Kihaku, but I am not going to pay $6 or more to get him....

....I'm still debating with myself whether I might buy a few coins for Cain. It depends on the cost and how many coins I can collect. We shall see...

@david-ml I'm in the same boat. I haven't spent on this game yet but I do have some money sitting in my google account that I was willing to put towards Cain if all I needed was a small nudge to get to the egg. The (used to be) 80 cells plus the egg would have allowed me to rank my Cain to 2. Now it's 2 steps past the egg and who knows how many coins to get there.

@HawkStan Generally, yes, higher level monster wins. That aside, there is no way to get more than 2700 coins in a 2 day event without spending real money. I suppose you could argue the roulette wheel in the maze offers up 25 coins and I could spend hundreds of gems hoping to land on it... other than that, you have to spend real world money. There is no gem to coin direct conversion that I am aware of.
Impossible by design is not how I define hard.

And that is my point. It seems the question being asked when these events are designed is "how can we make them spend?" instead of "how can we make them want to spend". Subtle difference but it is there. I find it insulting to call something hard but design it to be impossible. If a dungeon is hard because you need a high level monster to beat it then that makes me want to get that high level monster.

Look at it this way, if you go to a carnival you know the games are hard. What if it was that balloon pop game and you have to pop 5 balloons to win. You pay your $5, get 5 darts but there are only 3 balloons on the board. Additional balloons cost more money. Or the game where you knock the cans off the table, you have to knock off 5 cans but they only load it with 3, or ring 5 bottles but there are only 3 rings. You get the idea. If a maze costs more than 2700 then that is not hard.

And to top it all off, the cells on the field before the egg has been reduced so you can't even craft the monster if you don't get to the egg.

They now use words like hard and skill In place of impossible and Luck. Its insulting. I've put the effort in to get the current egg but can already tell that I will fail its just a question of how close I can get.

@teh_alan yeah very good point actually. My arguments were aimed a bit more at the general skill part.

Your argument brings us to the same conclusion: we need a way to buy coins with gems if they are planning on keeping these mazes so expensive. If not, most of the event is straight up p2p. And thats fun for exactly nobody.

Again it doesn’t really matter as most of the people on this forum isn’t who sp are aiming for, who they are aiming for are the people doing 200 laps on races so we can all moan as much as we want nothing will change.

I'd rather keep it like the previous editions regarding monsters and costs . . . Cain is an exclusive monster so probably I'd just focus to get as many cells as I can through his path. I don't mind the idea to have newer and stronger monsters in MoP, especially these "exclusive" ones I cannot request cells from, so at least I get the chance to get some cells out of it and rank them up. I can't expect get Cain f2p, most of us have dropped gems in his progressive to get him and because he's truly a great monster. I understand some players aim to get the scroll as well for the rewards, especially players seeking to grow in the game (ofc the egg as well) can be done with perfect collections as long as you set an alarm, wake up and don't fall asleep trying lol

Kihaku was difficult but manageable by f2p my co is f2p and got it.

@esentis what better monsters are is open to discussion, my guess SP looks at this probably different, they have the numbers so I think they decide different what monster is "better"

again like @Bellatrix I want the older form back but also that will depend on how well this one is doing

@marianne-van-es Definitely, that's why I said this is my personal point of view.

@bellatrix Good point. The MoP is a very transparent option in getting Cain cells. Some for free, some for money. At least it's not a random chest that might contain 100 cells or 10 elementium or some such. A guy can plan x$ = y cells.
Gems are f2p though, they are available freely in the game now. As long as someone is frugal with their gems, they can convert them to rewards in progressives. Had I known how good Cain would be during the original progress, I would have spent a lot more gems.

@Marianne-van-Es I managed to get Kihaku f2p completely by surprise to me, even got 1 node past the egg. I did not set an alarm as others suggest... but I do always drink a large cup of tea before bed which means about 4 hrs later I'm phone in hand on the way to the bathroom Also an indication that I play this game way too much

@teh_alan

@teh_alan said in Master of Path part 4:

Had I known how good Cain would be during the original progress, I would have spent a lot more gems.

Same Here

... but I do always drink a large cup of tea before bed which means about 4 hrs later I'm phone in hand on the way to the bathroom Also an indication that I play this game way too much

Again, same here!! Though this is the first one where I missed the scroll and the egg and he was one of the two that I wanted. Now I will be doing the Cain path religiously I want this egg and as many cells as I can get to rank him that final level, though I am willing to sacrifice as much as I need of elementium to get there.

Cain's egg isn't there in the maze rip all

@nynaevelan said in Master of Path part 4:

Again, same here!! Though this is the first one where I missed the scroll and the egg and he was one of the two that I wanted.

I would have been ok missing the egg on Kihaku, disappointed but ok. I collected enough to bring him to Rank 2. Getting there was a side effect of my life choices.

though I am willing to sacrifice as much as I need of elementium to get there.

My Cain is r0. As soon as (if?) I collect 80 cells, he is going in the oven with 40 elementium I will be very pleased if I can get to another 80

@BWANG487 All depends on how many cells are between the start and the mirror. There could be 160 cells up to the mirror. Crafting is always an option.

@teh_alan If you already have a Cain you don't have to wait till hitting 80 cells if you're going to use elementium/elementalium. If you need 80 because you only have 40 elementium then never mind

There seems to be 100 cells for Cain up to the mirror, but getting to the mirror is a cool 5k coins.

@karryt said in Master of Path part 4:

@teh_alan If you already have a Cain you don't have to wait till hitting 80 cells if you're going to use elementium/elementalium. If you need 80 because you only have 40 elementium then never mind

There seems to be 100 cells for Cain up to the mirror, but getting to the mirror is a cool 5k coins.

I am going to try to wait for the rumored possibility to use elementium and elemental for my last rank. This will be my first 130 of a monster that I really like to fight with.

@karryt say what? There used to be a requirements to have 80 min for crafting and ranking, no? HOLY! Just dropped 93 elementium to get to r1. Looks like I can get to r2 at least now! Thanks for the info.

@teh_alan Ah, it's kind of confusing and from some of the upcoming rumours it should be simplified at least a little bit.

Currently if you don't have the monster hatched/in monstergram, you need 80 true cells to craft it. If you do already have the monster though you can use elementium to create new cells, even if you have zero (go to the craft screen and find your monster and say fill with elementium, but don't craft).

If you use elementalium to rank, you need 80 true cells to do that.

From what we've heard, they'll take away the 80 cell restriction when using elementalium so that will make it a lot easier to use that up instead of trying to play games getting your cell counts to just the right amount, or needing to save up hundreds of elemental cells to do a rank 3/4/5.

So, we get no egg in cains path, but we get MIRROR, that's let's us BUY a chest for 500 gems. That still gives no egg? WTF?

So you get 75 cells with 1585 coins spent but then more than double that amount 3895 total to get the next 12 cells? Which means that you need to spend what $20 or so just to get another measly 12 cells!?! @Fox whoever came up with this calculation needs to be fired this was a prime opportunity to get hordes of players spend $6-12 to get a premium egg. I doubt that many people will spend anything now!

I guess I will sleep easy tonight as there is no point in even trying to collect more than the 1600 odd coins for the first 75 cells.

@david-ml said in Master of Path part 4:

I also stop at 1,600 coins - it just does not make sense from midnight wakefulness. Moreover, even the fourth scroll is unattainable ......

4415 to get the last scroll thank you sp another event ruined for us.

@david-ml Yup, looking at that chart means there is nothing worth getting past 1600 coins, within range of free coins or a modest spend past free. Looking on the bright side, SP made the choice easy for me.

Crazy though, if access to the mirror was reasonable then that chest might also come into play. A few more people might try there luck at a diamond relic.