First of all, we don't know everything yet, so I don't want to rush to judgment. But I've read and reread Fox's announcement on this. I'm mixed, but mostly pessimistic. Second caveat, I'd recommend everybody check out this old Extra Credits video on the topic of Power Creep. It's relevant. https://youtu.be/Bxszx60ZwGw Make note of any time they reference Magic the Gathering, as it's a functionally equivalent game (collectible strategy).

Social Point has long been dealing with the issue of power creep. At the same time, they're trying to balance the needs of F2P players while maximizing the profits they can get from this little game (a totally fair goal, people gotta get paid to make this game). So there are A LOT of moving parts in this.

What it seems like Social Point is trying to do is a soft reset on everything to solve their power creep, meta game issues, and some strategy decisions players are making. Obviously, once you've got several legendary monsters, any epic rarity monsters (or lower) become completely obsolete. By introducing mythic monsters, they will make legendaries obsolete (just like commons, uncommons, rares, and epics are). Fox has even said they intend to not make any new legendaries.

Everything is going mythic. This way, they can carefully re-craft what the most viable strategies are in the game. Fox said that they want to simplify combat. As time as gone on, battles have become more and more complex. As one monster becomes OP, a new monster is released to counter it. Then a monster to counter that one. Having a new tier of monster allows them to, essentially, reset everything.

Negatives:

• If you've been playing for years, none of your monsters will matter. It hurts.
• If you're a paying player, this REALLY hurts. All that money with nothing to show for it now.
• New monsters and NO PERMANENT STORAGE SOLUTION. Oh Lord, this is the bane of my existence, as a collector. Unless and until SP sorts this one out, nothing they do matters (to me!).
• Yet another currency. When I started playing, there was gold, food, and gems. That's it. Over time the following have been added: war coins, war medals, cells, elemental cells, elementium, elite souls, nemesis souls, and heroic orbs. Now we're adding mythic amber. I'm not a new player, but I imagine all these currencies would be very overwhelming for them. SP needs to eliminate some of these, change up how monsters can be obtained.

Positives:

• A fresh start, everybody back at ground zero. SP has seen what this game and players can do, so they can be very intentional on how they handle new monsters.
• If you're a paying player, you'd probably keep paying for new monsters anyway, so are you hurt that much?
• Making legendaries obsolete could eliminate some of those extra currencies. They could make it quite easy to obtain nemesis or warmasters. They're legendaries, so who cares who has them?

My conclusion:
This won't solve the power creep issues. It just restarts the process, delaying power creep. Yeah mythics will start simpler and whatnot, but then the next one will add a new feature. Some mythic monster will become OP. A new mythic will be released to combat that OP monster. It just starts it over again.

If they were doing this, I think they should have made a Monster Legends 2. Give existing players some kind of reward for what they've done in this first game, free monsters for monsters they already have, things like that. I know they'd risk losing some of their player base with that, so I understand why they didn't go that route, but I'm not optimistic about trying to have it both ways.

Also, GIVE ME A GOL DANGED PERMANENT STORAGE SOLUTION! I swear if they me something permanent, I'd roll happily along with just about any change they did.

I think Sansot has written a very comprehensive, and accurate, assessment of this announcement.
Everyone surely was aware of the constant power creep. What troubles me is that this outcome was obviously self-inflicted by SP but at such a needlessly rapid pace to this conclusion.
Multiple new OP monsters every month etc etc. If they'd only slowed this crazy release, and event, cycle then the current format could have continued happily for much longer. Every player cries and pleads to slow the releases and let us enjoy our new monsters. I, like many players, have countless quantities of unhatched or uncrafted ' Top Tier' monsters.
Slow the cycle and stop deliberately breaking it.
And to second the plead.....please solve the storage solution permanently. A FREE Vault or 5 (of each element) instead of the habitats is a perfectly viable and technically achievable solution. Before our current ML universe becomes dust.....give your loyal fans something to prolong their enjoyment.
Give us the small satisfaction of actually getting our hard-earned monsters a home and a token (library) reward.

SP was not trying to add any content whatsoever, all what we were getting just more and more monsters.
If there's not gonna be an option to ascend your Legendary monster to Mythical rarity so why they still sell Forsaken Monsters? They announce that Legendary monsters are useless and pushing Forsaken sales at same time. Only yesterday they told us about "future events with Forsaken Monsters" and selling them as "unique opportunity". It sickens me badly but if it is gonna be soft reset I'm actually glad bc I needed this final push to quit the game.
I agree with previous posts that bringing new rarity won't help because SP doesn't see other ways to develop the game, make it interesting and profitable at same time, but spawning new monsters at ridiculous speed.
They could add Guild Castle and lots of things where players gladly invested their time or money for building Castle and getting some benefits similar to premium pass perks: speed of hatching/extracting, increasing slots in Vault and %chances of successful breeding etc
Instead of completely abandoning L rarity and only getting new Mythical monsters we should be getting ways to ascend old legendaries to M rarity by getting Mythical rarity cells or completing certain quests, meeting certain conditions. Ascending would enable new sets of skills/traits apart of stats bonuses. Or even enabling sets of certain equipment giving developers another way of making money by introducing new content.
Another thing to make players to use more kinds of monsters could be introducing some kind of synergy bonuses when we use certain group of monsters (like friends or family related) which we could somehow increase...
There lots of ways to make current game work, I can think of tens just sitting now on my lunch break at work. But SP wants just draw another monster and sell it. They couldn't even solve problem with overpopulation of monsters for whole this time. You making 3 monsters every 2nd week now so just forget animated monsters on habitats. Noone cares anymore who walks on each island, make just view of islands and certain element habitats, if we want to see monsters in them we could just click on habitat at and see who lives there on a manner of Vault but not as useless as in Vault but earning gold . This will give you another source for players putting some effort in unlocking places in habitats for earning gold.
So it's up to you SP either be creative and make everyone happy or be lazy and lose dedicated players.

I didn't even think about the breakneck pace of new events and monsters, but you guys are right. That is an issue that has accelerated the power creep problem. Plus, the longer the time between monster release, the longer they have to evaluate if a monster is broke or if some additional kind of counter needs to be released.

I don't know that I'm a fan of the ascension idea (just another feature on top of a game chock-full of features- almost too many). But I DO like the synergy bonus idea. Could make certain monsters viable again.

Just as a question are you the guy from the wiki fandom for monster legends.

@pratham-vernekar Yessir.

i hope that social point will understand that adding a new rarity is a bad idea and wont even lunch it. i am loging to monster legends at least 5 times a day for the past half a year and i just love that game but honestly iim not sure if im gonna keep plaing after that new rarity will be released because its bacicly earasing almost all of the progress that i have made in that time, and on top of that they are making the battles more simle. while it might be nice for some players that doesnt play alot to have simple fights, for me it really suck. i love the fact that the battles are complexed and making them simple will make it less intresting.
i feel like almost all of the players that invest alot of their time on the game will NOT like that change in the game and i those players should be the top priority for socialpoint.

i really like this game and i just dont want it to be ruined for me and for alot of other players. if social poing will release the mythic rarity i really hope that they will make some changes to it and make it not way stronger than legendaries. (maybe their rank 5 will be only 130).

@sansot oh ok just asking since i use that wiki

My thoughts on Fox's updated Q&A post.
Again, I know I don't have all the information, so I'm happy to be off-base about all this.

Making legendaries obsolete.
Oh I know they won't make all legendaries obsolete- yet. When there's only 5-10 Mythics to choose from, I totally see a lot legendaries still being useful. But what about when there are 100 mythic monsters to choose from? I still think this reset just starts the problem of power creep over but doesn't solve it. I have no clue what SP has planned, but it seems to me the issues are just gonna start all over again.

Lacking space!
I'm very much looking forward to this solution. PLEASE make it a permanent one, though. No more stop-gaps.

I appreciate everyone at SP trying to take a hard look at the game figure out the best way of moving it forward. And I do hope this move works out. I'll remain pessimistic for the time being. At least until there's a permanent storage solution. Then I'll be through the roof excited. Have I mentioned the need for a permanent storage solution?

Thats very true. I'm lvl 150 and need space!

@sansot said in Mythic Rarity:

Lacking space!
I'm very much looking forward to this solution. PLEASE make it a permanent one, though. No more stop-gaps.

I don‘t understand this problem. In Dragon City (also from SP) you have the possibility to set 8 dragons in an habitat und you can have much more habitats. The argument some month or years ago, that there is a technical problem seems to be long long time fixed or away.

What I actually need:

More Level in Adventure Mode
More Spaces

Instead of making a new rarity, they should've just nerfed or "remade" a lot of the existing monsters. I'm so upset with the mythics idea because people that paid to get really good legendaries got them for nothing. If the mythics continue to dominate the game, which will probably happen, I'd like to see some legendaries (especially the WMs and elites) get nerfed but then become mythics so they get the mythics' op stats.

I don't know why im even replying because SP has their minds made up and will Never listen to anything we say. What I don't like is the thought of our elite legendary monsters bought and payed for being made useless by these mythic monsters. Now if Sp had slowed the breakneck speed in which they delivered monsters we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now.
What I really don't like is if they knew they were going this route and still put out the forsaken monsters just to make money that is low in my opining
There could have been a balance that woulnt have hurt the elites as much and helped the new players also but sp just threw out the baby with the bathwater and said deal with it. It seems like they never look at feedback in discord and if they do its to erase something.
Now I usually wont write anything anymore because I get the "if you don't like it quit spiel" You see I didn't know I had to like everything and if I don't just quit. I just think the mythic monsters are a bad deal and many players agree but it always falls on death ears so im not going to spend anymore on this game for a while.I know my money is just a drop in the bucket but hopefully many people will put the squeeze on sp and it will hurt the bottom line

So it looks like a Mythic monster at R0 has a max level of 100, same as legendaries. That definitely keeps legendaries more viable than I initially thought. Again, we'll see...

Also, give me a permanent storage solution and I'm OK with whatever. I don't know if I mentioned that before.

Also, Extra Credits did a couple follow up videos that are also extremely relevant for Monster Legends, as they focus on Hearthstone, a game like Magic:
https://youtu.be/M3b3hDvRjJA
https://youtu.be/1ZnjwdStzUc

Permanent storage would be nice we all need it. However with some extra slots in vault at 200 gems I don't see how they will pass up that money. now I could be wrong and hope I am

@fireman53
you dont have to warrie about that you can just sell your legendaries cus they doesnt worth

Ecit: language per forum riles5

basically forsakens were a failure, nobody spend money on them, so they are trying with these dumb mythic ugly monsters

I was a regular player in 2015-2016 who came back to the game in November and I’ve been really enjoying the wider range of legendaries and the more interesting skills. Obsolescence has always been a factor in Monster Legends and most of my old favourites - Thetys, Caillech, VoltaiK etc - were all out of date when I returned. But they were replaced over time, and having seen the Mythics in action this really does feel like too dramatic and sudden a change, and it’s hard to feel much motivation to do any of the things in the game I used to enjoy. The sense of working steadily towards a goal has gone. Maybe it’ll come back as Mythics bed in, though right now their skills feel like a step backwards.

I appreciate that Mythics will bring in new players and wish SP luck with that - and I also know the top spenders will probably keep spending. But I would love it if some kind of legendary-only battle format (like Classic Duels but with better rewards) could be introduced to keep these monsters useful!

Mythics just came out, and the next one can only be obtained with real money spent.
I was a bit excited until this happened.

I'm going to paste this here since the place where I posted it got locked.

A few days ago mythics were introduced into the game as an attempt to fix all of the problems with the meta and the gap between f2p and p2w players.

Will this work? Yes, it probably will. But it was still a terrible way to fix these issues. A year from now when there's lots of mythics, legendaries will be almost pointless to have. Players that spent so much money getting level 130 legendaries spent their money for nothing...

Or did they? I came up with ideas that are fair to the meta and all the types of players.

My first and favorite idea is to keep the mythics how they are, but remake some legendary monsters' skills (The monsters in the meta and maybe some older ones that nobody bothered to level up :D) and promote them to mythic.

My second idea is to once again keep the mythics how they are, but add ways to increase the legendaries' level cap to 135 or 140.

My third idea is to completely scrap the mythics idea or nerf them. Make all of the mythics into legendaries and remake the skills of all the legendaries that are in the meta.

My fourth and final idea is to separate mythics and legendaries completely. What I mean by this is, for example, some wars could be legendaries only and other wars could be mythics only. Or some battles in PVP could be with legendaries and others could be with mythics.

I really hope this post gets noticed. I like what the idea of adding mythics was aiming for, but this just wasn't the right way to do it. Thank you for reading this:)

@tom-ewing said in Mythic Rarity:

I was a regular player in 2015-2016 who came back to the game in November and I’ve been really enjoying the wider range of legendaries and the more interesting skills. Obsolescence has always been a factor in Monster Legends and most of my old favourites - Thetys, Caillech, VoltaiK etc - were all out of date when I returned. But they were replaced over time, and having seen the Mythics in action this really does feel like too dramatic and sudden a change, and it’s hard to feel much motivation to do any of the things in the game I used to enjoy. The sense of working steadily towards a goal has gone. Maybe it’ll come back as Mythics bed in, though right now their skills feel like a step backwards.

I appreciate that Mythics will bring in new players and wish SP luck with that - and I also know the top spenders will probably keep spending. But I would love it if some kind of legendary-only battle format (like Classic Duels but with better rewards) could be introduced to keep these monsters useful!

I agree with your idea! Also legendary-only wars and pvps would be great too.

@sansot Remember when you only had epics, and a L, any L, would bring your game to an entirely new level? That's where we are now. It is a soft reset.

Long-time F2P players won't actually suffer so much; their bases are developed, they will get a few Mythics from events, just the space is a problem. BTW space: I guess a solution will come P2W only, and only after enough premium islands have been sold: After 2 or 3 years in the game, players are invested and might reach into their pockets. That's what it is about, and that's all normal considering that SP folks can't do it all for free. The 'technical problem' is a smoke screen, there is no problem making vault keys available for gold.

P2W players will suffer the most. However, SP already has their money. As bad as it sounds, from a business perspective the P2W matter the least.

Making Mythics 'easily rankable' to me sounds a lot like a further increase in speed to me, though. Once all the willing players have their OP+ mythics on max, we will get Divine and Satanic, and start from scratch again.

@monsterbath yes and already seen a 130 in pvp absolutely crazy, people almost at 100 laps in these crazy marathons That have epics on lap 4 and asks for 9 uc female to be bred Social point are as well just saying pay up as there is no strategy or fun to races anymore in fact there not even races just gem pits, none of this matters of course as sp are not interested in players like me they want the players who are happy to do above. Unfortunately for me I’m totally losing interest in a game I used to really like playing and can see end game for me now.

I must say I am not understanding the issue here, it has been 4 years since the legendary rarity was released, why is it such an uproar that the Mythics are now released? Yes it will change things, yes it will upset many more but what is the difference that these changes things that the VIPs, Nemesis, Elites, Forsakens did not? As was stated these will not negate the legends, they offer different strategies and opportunities for the game to grow. How many times have users asked, whined and complained for improvements yet it seems every time they offer an "improvement" is not accepted. We do not know the long term goals of where they are taking the game so why immediately jump on the band wagon that it will "ruin" the game? This statement has been used so much in the last few years and yet it still seems to be going.

Personally I am just going to take these in the same way I did the VIPs, Nemesis, Elites, Forsakens etc.... one monster at a time. There have been so many added that it is just impossible to keep up, let alone try to build any strategy in them. If anything my only complaint is for them to slow down and let me try to develop a strategy before it is obsolete in the next breath.

Now keep in mind my opinions come from the stand point of a collector, and I am going to collect them in the same token as every other monster be it legend, mythic or rarity. I am not going to get rid of monsters like I did with the breedables, I have unlimited storage so I plan to use that as my solution until they address the space issue. And other than them slowing down space issues are the only other thing I have to gripe about and this from someone who has all my monsters hatched along with 587 of the 840 vault slots.

@nynaevelan I completely agree they need to slow down and handle storage. Have I mentioned in this thread that I want a permanent storage solution? I think I'm going to say that anytime I post anything on here from now on!

How do you have unlimited storage? If you mean via slots in the Vault, I've probably sunk thousands of gems into that thing. It's untenable for me.

Now, for myself, I'm not concerned about the "end of the game." I'm just a bit pessimistic about how all this will turn out.

@nynaevelan said in Mythic Rarity:

As was stated these will not negate the legends, they offer different strategies and opportunities for the game to grow.

I think this is the point a lot of people disagree with. Like I said at the top, we don't have all the information yet, but if you look at the game a year and dozens of new mythics from now, yeah, I expect it will nullify legendaries. In one sense, I see this game like some kind of MMORPG. There's the game that's for new players, in an RPG that's the main campaign. In this game, it's until you start getting some good legendaries. Then there's the endgame for the advanced players. In an RPG it's the boss raids and raid dungeons. In this game, it's ranking up the legendaries and equipping high level runes and relics. Adding mythics is like adding a new raid dungeon with way better rewards that makes all the other existing raids pointless to do. That's why I'm pessimistic.

@sansot I guess this is where my confusion over the uproar comes in, this is the way I have viewed it for quite some time now, except instead of Mythics it was all the other specialty legendaries,especially the Warmasters. Yes the legendaries may end up being obsolete but I doubt this is going to be anytime soon, maybe in two or three or more years this may come to pass. Maybe these will not be the game changer you aka us or SP thought they will be and they will change things up again. Maybe my level of pessimism or optimism is different than you all based on my experience with the introduction of the Heroics in DC. I am going to give it some more time before deciding, this game has changed so much in the last few years that it is just hard to get emotionally involved anymore. But please keep in mind that for me ML is no longer in my top 3 so I am not as invested as you all are so I hope you do not think that my differing opinion means I am negating your opinions. I am just trying to understand your point of view.

@nynaevelan said in Mythic Rarity:

[...] Yes the legendaries may end up being obsolete but I doubt this is going to be anytime soon, maybe in two or three or more years this may come to pass.

In the meta rather weeks. Opponents coming to the duel with base 6k power, 5k speed and 60k health will force you to, and I don't see why that should take so long.

It all depends in what kind of player you are, if you are a competitive it will be maybe 2 - 3 months, depending on elements and books, when you are not it will take longer. If a mythic with turn transfer comes along many Legendary will stay very usable even in high leagues

Legends are going away faster than you think. I just got attacked with a ranked 150 mythic with almost 300,000 health, 10,500 speed and something like 41700 strength. Now that monster had mutant runes on it. The same monster with no muntant had 160,000 health. Also I thought mythics were going close the gap between f2p and p2w One of the first mythics was behind a paywall. 39.99 for 100 cells and 99.00 for 2500 cells that's a great way to start off with mythics

@Nynaevelan imagine fighting a R5 Warmaster with a R5 Mudflow - that's what it is like to fight a R5 Mythic with an R5 Legendary. In one war I used a R5 Thalassa with 3 speed + 6 team speed against a team that had an R5 Mystic with zero speed and supported by only 4 team speed. I also had Rune Guardian activated and I was only 200 points faster than the R5 Mystic. It's just ludicrous. They make Legendaries completely obsolete once ranked to higher levels. A base stat R0 Mythic is stronger than a R5 Forsaken!!! It's just completely wrong - sad times as long-term players leave the game in hordes.....