Nice to see the event started today, which should make some interesting team wars. This first one in particular allows for 0 Generals or VIPs.

What's everyone thinking of using for a team here?

Some observations:

• Mechamancer is from Mechanical, so it may help to be aware of Possession.
• Shallinar is a high power choice for the Female slot.
• Queen Luthien could be amazing on defense if they don't use any other Lights to attack against her.
• Stinger S1 may be a good defense choice to counter Mechamancer.
• ROFL has been around for a while and may be a common one seen as a higher rank.
• I've been happy with Growler as my Epic lately, since he's immune to possession and brings a good skillset.

Strangely enough the ai set Thetys, Timerion, Master Skeel and Holter as default monsters for the Untamable vs Nozes war.

@Ekto-Gamat Interesting. Does it allow you to save them, even though they pre-populated? We are stuck in the previous war set, so I can't test out any monster selections for the new one yet. :(

What would be interesting (bunk?) is if you left the default monsters alone and it let you get around the Team War restriction..

Strangely enough: if you want to change them to something else, you can only change to the limited monsters that are in the books in the library.

@Ekto-Gamat Would be hilarious if people left them alone, and then saw empty slots on defense when the war started.

Lol, yes, hilarious when you are not in the war. :)

What will happen if that was the case though - if you attack a completely empty island. Will it reward you instant victory with 3 coins? Or due to the anomaly, you'd get 0 coins even with the win.

@Shalnark Good question - don't know if I've ever encountered that. I would assume you would just be awarded the 3 coins? I'm trying to imagine how that would look:

You start the fight, the fight immediately ends and you get 3 coins heh.

As you know, we don't have complete versions of the Books in the Library. Some have only 3 Chapters at present. VIPs are not in any of them (and the prospect that VIPs won't be in the Books is nil since SP would lose that cash cow). The Library Info tab says the Books record "all".

What is interesting about the anomaly is that the auto placement of monsters by the app reveals what will be in the full version of the Books.

The App isn't autoselecting completely at random. In the Mechanical slot it is selecting Timerion, Holter, Ultrabot, Skeel - monsters that are intuitively Mechanical.

And in the Female slot - Thetys, Shannara, Zyla... and others... but all female.

So - the App autoselecting monsters not currently in our abridged Books appears to reveal monsters that will be in the final, complete versions once released.

My conclusions:

1. The Books will contain a rich variety of monsters once finally released.

2. We don't have to worry about ranking monsters we don't already have access to, like ROFL. Favourites like Timerion and obtainable monsters like Holter will be there.

3. SP is very foolish to start a Book restrictions war without first releasing the complete books - players will despair at the (false) impression that they need to rank eg ROFL to compete. Players will quit, and a lost customer is not easily regained.

4. This is a cynical marketing ploy to get us to buy monsters we ultimately won't need and don't want.

5. Book restrictions, once the Books are fully released, will be a breath of fresh air and a LOT of new tactical elements will come into play.

A word of warning: although the app apparently selects from the complete books - we can't. If you try to change your monster you will find you can only choose from the incomplete version of the Books currently in our Library. So if the app gives you Thetys, you may want to leave it rather than be forced to place your level 100 Lau Lau....

So what's going to happen on attack day tomorrow when no one has offenses that can attack into the high ranks the computer auto selected?

@DrJ a bloodbath? Or hope the App autoselects useful attack monsters :-)

@DrJ said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

So what's going to happen on attack day tomorrow when no one has offenses that can attack into the high ranks the computer auto selected?

Teams used to pulling in 300+ coins will get less than 100 for next few wars...assuming a few poor souls change their pre-selected defenses and are stuck with !HighRankThetys so their opponents won't get shut out :)

I'm looking forward to the threads sharing results of 37-23 between top 100 teams...

The immediate problem that jumps out to me is 15 books, at least some creatures appear in 2 which means they'll be available every 7.5 rules
on average rather than 9. That doesn't seem like the answer for increased war and creature variety. I'm hoping chapters come into play somehow and we haven't seen the full scope of those. Or they could add more books to get creatures under our current 1 every 9 rules....

If what we're seeing is the plan, I'm skeptical that this will bring the new variety I was hoping for. And the fact it's actually broken doesn't inspire confidence either.

A different kind of variety. Rules with Ouros but without Brontes. Rules where Thunder monsters can be selected but no Voltaik. Ability to run two Fire monsters from different books and actually use Sticky Lava. That sort of thing.

@C0ntr1v3d right that was my original hope. And chapters can bring that. But it just seems like before it was like 20 something percent of wars where it was sea of 130 thetys. And that number is bound to go up if they do 15 books and she's in 2, and it's always full book like this.

See, this is one of the things that sucks in what I would call upper but not entirely elite wars. It happens in your elite wars too, but a lot of you have a number of 130's to break that up and being some variety and strategy. Team shop characters dominate the entire landscape in our space. And race creatures, all at the exact same level lol. If this system makes that worse, I will be REALLY disappointed

@DrJ , understood. And I personally agree that Chapters would be very entertaining. But balanced against that, the relief that f2p players must be feeling to know that they can still rely on (your example) Thetys, is a big consideration.

@C0ntr1v3d yeah I definitely understand the need to make the changes slowly even if something like chapters is the end game. I'd just feel better if I were seeing what would appear to be a slight increase in creature variety as opposed to what actually appears will be a slight decrease. To use the ouros example which was one of my first thoughts for that chapter idea, it's hard to imagine a whole lot of rules he becomes terribly useful even without brontes in play unless you're limiting the scope of creatures that face him significantly. Any rules that bring stam drains in play, time stops, heavy status effects, things like that and he's still too slow to do much of anything but global stomp. To me 1 book per creature would be fine. 15 vs 9 is good. 7.5 vs 9 is bad. And makes the odds of tons of all that fresh new combinations and strategy happening sort of slim. It does little to enhance the value of new creatures being rolled out, little to make anyone want to do anything but keep loading up on the same dozen team shop creatures. Just a step backwards... if this one war is an indication of what the future state will look like

@MarshallTheBeef said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

@Shalnark Good question - don't know if I've ever encountered that. I would assume you would just be awarded the 3 coins? I'm trying to imagine how that would look:

You start the fight, the fight immediately ends and you get 3 coins heh.

Yes, happened to one of my kids in a very low level war and that's exactly what happens!

Sp fixed the book monsters -- from their point of view -- so now the auto selected monsters by the game will follow current book monsters !!

...and as mentioned above, I'd also love to see chapters come into play where we can only use monsters from the first or second chapter. I really enjoyed the rare wars that they had almost a year ago and more recently the common wars.

The lower classes don't get a lot of use other than team speed carriers and the odd single shot. I'd love to be able to use them more often!!!

So what's the verdict if people don't change their monsters from the originally pre-selected Thetys, Timerion etc? Or were they now switched automatically from the fix Haka spoke of?

@MarshallTheBeef
Before if the system choosed thetys and timmy you can keep them fro def
but on attack day the system will change your att team again and this time only current book monsters

but today Sp fixed that so for def and attack only current book

Chapter wars would be great and it might inspire Social Point to release some new uncommon monsters. I don't think there have been any new uncommons since the release of the metal element.

I don't understand. I have Gretchen and Mr Scratch as defenders, but I cannot use them as attackers?

@Clackers

those monsters will be added later to the book ,, due to a glitch the game selected them for def , but for attack we have to follow the monsters in the book currently

hope Sp add the rest of books and chapters soon

We sure these monsters are coming to the books in question later? Because if not I like this system a lot. If so I think they may have broken the game.

@DrJ said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

We sure these monsters are coming to the books in question later? Because if not I like this system a lot. If so I think they may have broken the game.

I'm guessing they are, unless SP just had them in some kind of shouldn't be public test grouping. Honestly wouldn't surprise me either way...

Noticed that many many more monsters than are listed in library are also getting the 30% reduction in breed/hatch times too, as those match up to what was getting pre-selected in war defenses.

Edit: Okay, CM said that those will be added, and I'm guessing that's soon. Taringa had a blurb about added books/chapters for this month.
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/212/new-team-wars-with-book-restrictions/

Does this mean I can finally get of my 3 silly commons, if I won't be needing them for team wars any more?

It means I can clear space in my habitats for an epic.

This game is game over since the majority of bought monsters are not mentioned in the books and can't be selected for war. The average gamer who are the majority of representatives which plays the game will quit, only the accounts that never payed for a monster and have all the legends 5star will stay, this is the end due to a premature implementation of a not completely filled libary book wars. So goodluck with this bad choice in the game.

@njoyforever said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

This game is game over since the majority of bought monsters are not mentioned in the books and can't be selected for war. The average gamer who are the majority of representatives which plays the game will quit, only the accounts that never payed for a monster and have all the legends 5star will stay, this is the end due to a premature implementation of a not completely filled libary book wars. So goodluck with this bad choice in the game.

Agree that they shouldnnt release only half of the books and start war with it ,,but soon every monster will be in a book or two and every thing will be sorted out
so wait till finial release

So why is lylisha replaced from female towards wings, it's still a female. Darkzuhl for instance is also in two books mentioned. I don"t get it, very poor decision making on quick notice without proper investigating how to fill the books and start libarywar when the books are complete.

@Haka-Taka what in your opinion is soon. the book is developed over a long period of time and is allready since 29th of march implemented in the game.
thanks

@njoyforever
the official post said soon here
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/212/new-team-wars-with-book-restrictions
but from taringa we know we will have the remaining book probably this month

I have for my Machine slot, because to timerion, Stinger S1, Is he better to have there over Toy master ? Because I have a super one shotty Shallinar for female, I think I could benefit with more denial, even though I have ledovech in my epic slot.

Any thoughts suggestions?

Not just kick off wars without all books, kick off wars with incomplete books and then sell packs based on the rules in that war. And the only reason we know the books are incomplete is because they screwed up the release. I'm known on my team as a person constantly defending SP and there is literally nothing to defend about this implementation. And at this point it's getting downright ridiculous that we don't have complete information on what the long term plans are. I figured they'd tread carefully in light of the current "riot" happening but it appears they aren't smart enough to do that. This is just bad... by even SP standards.

@DrJ said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

Not just kick off wars without all books, kick off wars with incomplete books and then sell packs based on the rules in that war. And the only reason we know the books are incomplete is because they screwed up the release. I'm known on my team as a person constantly defending SP and there is literally nothing to defend about this implementation. And at this point it's getting downright ridiculous that we don't have complete information on what the long term plans are. I figured they'd tread carefully in light of the current "riot" happening but it appears they aren't smart enough to do that. This is just bad... by even SP standards.

This.

@PredakingX said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

I have for my Machine slot, because to timerion, Stinger S1, Is he better to have there over Toy master ? Because I have a super one shotty Shallinar for female, I think I could benefit with more denial, even though I have ledovech in my epic slot.

Any thoughts suggestions?

Assuming level parity - Toy Master, imo.

But, it depends also on your rune situation. I certainly wouldn't move runes for this fiasco.

I'm sure DrJ is tired of hearing me complain about the lack of info on the library thing by now, but this is pretty sad for something they've had lots of time to implement, and could delay if they weren't ready for.

I'm not sure what the drawback is for them to come out and say, hey, in the future we are replacing all war rules with those from the books/chapters, or hey, we're going to run special wars twice a month from the books and re-evaluate in 6 months or something.

As it is now, I have no idea what to invest my time/resources in to, because I don't know whether it'll all be for naught when SP figures out what they are doing. Great example is the recent sale on VIP cells. It seemed to be a pretty decent deal, but with so much uncertainty about them still being relevant in a few months, investment seemed risky.

Who would have thought a thread about a type of War would have started World War III? :P

@MarshallTheBeef said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

Who would have thought a thread about a type of War would have started World War III? :P

World war III is happening for those teams were the 'fix' was implemented after attack day started. Apparently some teams are fighting Lvl 120 & 130 Thetyses and Timerions with the now limited choice of the current library books - very poor coin return even for the winning team!

Alright, I'll try with some optimism...

So on the positive side of things, I think the next war with working defenses is actually going to be fun, and is what got me excited about this system to begin with.

One thing I hope to see is that this is a workable war format even with people having lineups they would never choose without such a limited scope of monsters. Assuming this is the case, the possibilities can be endless regardless of how bad the plan is going into this thing. My thinking is that "chapter based" wars wouldn't even need to limit the scope to a single chapter, that might definitely be overboard. But let's say the rule is female 1-3, mechanical 2-4, epic. Nice limited scope that could still offer endless variety without making it overly difficult for free players to cover it. Enhanced value for creatures all over the place...

In addition to this system I think it would make sense to run these fast craft rune events regularly. (With 100k runes at least sometimes). And put a repeat craft button on the thing. It would seem easy for everyone to be able to cover their lineups with at least some minimal set of runes if that were the case. And maybe lower the cost of rune removal, I would
never support free like some ridiculous ideas I've seen, but reduced so you can tweak this huge landscape of monsters more easily would totally be needed.

I really believe something like this could bring a whole new life to this game... and am really hoping we get something well thought out in the end.

Another idea to take that even further is to make the chapters allowed random for each individual war. Let's say it picks 3 (arbitrary number). This way you can't even know war restrictions in advance. You may know mechanical is coming, but have no idea which chapters the teams in your war get to pick from. No 2 wars are the same, life is good.

I miss the Monster Legends days pre-Monster Lab, when you actually saw some different monsters in the wars. Back when runes were the true difference, not strong teams getting stronger with max rank Generals..

@MarshallTheBeef Exactly - the lab combined with team shop makes half the game worthless at high levels. Biggest problem in the game, and nothing here seems to fix that. Team shop must be fixed, races must be fixed, or new creatures have no value to people outside of whales that may pay to 130.
For others we just hope it's one of the combos in a breeding events. The game is fine until you get to these upper levels, adventure map is fun, dungeons can be challenging, getting a new creature is exciting so mazes and progressives are fun.

As for what I'm seeing now that they rolled out the books (total bummer it got fixed, I wanted to see a limited scope war in action) I don't see it doing much. It seems I have similar numbers of runed creatures in the books. Thetys in multiple places, zyla broken apart from volt. My outlook - more thetys and volt/zyla wars. Sooo much fun...

Now that Ouros is here, I say cool he's not with brontes or hiroim. Unfortunately there's a sick dark damage dealer in barabatos so he's still screwed. Now he just dies real fast instead of standing there doing nothing for 2 turns... ;)

My hope is making more "mini segments" can bring some value to other areas of the game for even higher level players, and getting new creatures can be fun for everyone again. The opportunity it still there. More books can be added easily, this isn't as limiting as elements. The chapters can be subcategories which makes possibilities endless.

We'll see...

The books have expanded and Generals are available again. I wonder how many people will get caught out with weak defence teams.

@Flayer said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

The books have expanded and Generals are available again. I wonder how many people will get caught out with weak defence teams.

Changed with 3 hours left in our war, we have used most of our attacks but the other team still had 70 left...hope they don't notice :)

I like how SP is making the library restrictions in war. it's gonna give them a lot of cash. Instead of people having to get 9 monsters (top tiers of each element), they will now have to focus on getting way more monsters due to these library restrictions. Starting to feel like SP only does updates nowadays to get cash.

@Exile said in Mechanical, Female, Epic War:

I like how SP is making the library restrictions in war. it's gonna give them a lot of cash. Instead of people having to get 9 monsters (top tiers of each element), they will now have to focus on getting way more monsters due to these library restrictions. Starting to feel like SP only does updates nowadays to get cash.

Well this was my opinion too at first , but now maybe you should consider
Note that monsters can appear in 2 books or more so for example general thetys cover the female and the sea books for you

i think library restrictions had a bad start but it is Turing for good

I love the idea of the books, adds to the game IMO. I am not on an elite team so no pressure to spend big bucks for wars :)

I don't love Thetys being in 2 books plus water( find her boring to play with), i ranked Frostbite for water but now it seems like i will have to rank Thetys as well, don't really see a better alternative to the Female book yet.

First 2 book wars, nothing but 120-130 Thetys.

@GrumpyOldDude

You don't have General shannara ? she can fill female book for now , and just today taringa posted the coming books . one of them is winter so sure your Frostbite will rock there ;)