@Fox when you made the pvp feedback thread not a single person said: yes what an awesome feature, we can't use our pvp monsters anywhere else. Many of us complained about it and told you how much we hate it.

It is very inconvenient that when I want to use my thetys in a survival dungeon I have to go switch her out temporarily in my pvp defense.
When I want to check the speed of my team in adventure map I have to go remove my team speed carrying epic from there to use it in adventure map.

But at least it was not that horrible, we could still use it in war.

But nope! Now new update section boasts about how they are "going to fix it" and you can no longer use your pvp defense team in wars either. BRILLIANT!!

What is the point?? What exactly do you hope to achieve by this except frustrate players and annoy them?

All of us told you how much we hate that in the feedback thread, and you are like, oh that little flashlight we are pointing in your eyes is annoying?! here let us fix that... then point a spotlight instead. -_-

Even from a business point how does this help you? Do you like think this will make us say "oh we can't use voltaik in wars and pvp" so here let us get a 2nd 115 voltaik for both :D !

It only makes us waste time switching them out then putting them back. It does nothing to help you.

@Carlos help us understand here! What is the point of this!?

People criticize me of why I am so critical of how you pick and choose who you listen to, yet you keep proving me right!

It only took a few players complaining about how "items in pvp are unfair" for you to remove them. Thank God you are so quick to listen to feedback that makes things tougher but completely give us a deaf ear when we ask to improve things.
Not a single user likes not being able to use pvp defense team else.

It's like you sit in meetings and actively think what new little things you could do to annoy your player base. Mission accomplished.

After 3 years I am everyday closer to quitting than the day before.

@Sam I understand you are frustrated but please tone down the hostility per forum rules to avoid temporary and/or permanent bans.

Because Social Point doesn't care what we do or do not like & the only reason for this is to force u to move runes around more if we want to or need to use that monster in another area, forcing us to use & more importantly BUY GEMS.
They have turned into a total greed machine & players points of view mean absolutely nothing to them anymore as long as money keeps coming in. I suggest do as many players I know & leave the game.

Social Point are trying to add variety to the game by requiring you to use more monsters.

Lets be honest - if we just used the same 3 or 4 monsters all the time it would be boring. So now they have restrictions in place to make sure we buy more monsters to use.

However, not being able to use a pvp defence team anywhere else is a misstep from SP.

@Nynaevelan
I am a collector too, but what good does it do ?
I have 60 monsters never hatched because they refuse to give us additional habitats & islands & now comes more monsters and the only way any of these well soon to be 65 - 70 newer monsters will ever see anything other than storage room is if I sell off 65-70 older monsters then if breeding event comes up I may or most likely may not have the monster or monsters required for breeding which again will make SP happy bcuz means I would b forced to spend more gems. And let them ban me from the forum if I'm not allowed to hatch monsters I waste money on, then what's the point of playing anymore ? Beyond point of frustration & again doesn't matter because SP doesn't care so may as well take my $1-2k per month & find a game who treats players fairly & as if they actually care about the players.

Actually it is strange to see that this is the bug fix ! i thought as many that we will be able to use them

Personally depending on the change they made to leagues rewards maybe i will ignore pvp again for both reasons

Time for 3 common def team

More funny, it's listed in the pvp improvement section

@Sam and @Nani3

We really appreciate the feedback our community is constantly giving us. We do take it into consideration every time there are decisions being made. Of course, there are always reasons for changes and they are usually based on detailed analysis and supported by players feedback.

With that said, I do not appreciate hostility and sometimes offensive tone you have been using in your posts. Please, let's keep at least this forum constructive without harsh language. As Nnynaevelan said, please, be aware that forum is a very small community and I think this negativity won't benefit anyone.

Now regarding your questions, the decision to remove the items was based on analyses of the new pvp system and players feedback just supported it.

Since the beginning, it was not intended to be able to use defense team in TW as players can get attacked at any time in pvp.
We have received the same feedback from other players as well and we forwarded it to the team.

Edit:
One more thing, please, don't include Carlos if it's not about the monsters themselves as he has to work as well and he is not responsible for any of these decisions.

@Fox said in [What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!]

Since the beginning, it was not intended to be able to use defense team in TW as players can get attacked at any time in pvp.

Before you could used the same monster for attack and def in pvp , in dungeons and in wars so i think from technical point of view it is still possible that same monster defend in pvp and usable else where

@Haka-Taka Technically it's possible, nobody said it isn't. The Team made a decision that should benefit the game longterm. I know that it's confusing but let's see how it goes. Things can change in the future.

@Fox said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@Haka-Taka Technically it's possible, nobody said it isn't. The Team made a decision that should benefit the game longterm. I know that it's confusing but let's see how it goes. Things can change in the future.

So can you share the team point of view ? how this benefit the game ?

@Nynaevelan said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@Sam I understand you are frustrated but please tone down the hostility per forum rules to avoid temporary and/or permanent bans.

Who exactly am I being hostile too here?

Edit by Fox:
@Sam Please, don't question our Moderators! They try to keep order in the forum and create a good environment to share ideas and feedback about the game. This is a warning.

@Haka-Taka Let's use common sense here as I did not make the decision. We certainly push for diversity as some players already noticed - Clackers. It's obvious that players would use the same one team in both events, variety of monsters is the key. In my personal opinion, if the game has the only one optimal way of playing, it is boring and probably wouldn't last long.

@Fox said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@Sam and @Nani3

We really appreciate the feedback our community is constantly giving us. We do take it into consideration every time there are decisions being made. Of course, there are always reasons for changes and they are usually based on detailed analysis and supported by players feedback.

With that said, I do not appreciate hostility and sometimes offensive tone you have been using in your posts. Please, let's keep at least this forum constructive without harsh language. As Nnynaevelan said, please, be aware that forum is a very small community and I think this negativity won't benefit anyone.

What I say is not meant as personal offense to anyone. And there has been no harsh language in my post, if so, point me to it. There is anger and frustration and disappointement brought by their decisions.

You are SPs representative here. When they make decisions that hurt us or make the game less fun for us, what do you expect our reaction is going to be? Say thanks.
How are we supposed to let you know we don't like something?
Hostility is caused by feeling ignored and that what we say doesn't matter.
I will try to tone down "hostility" but I am incapable of sugar coating stuff or not being honest about how we feel. Look at why we are angry.
Opposite of like is indifference. When we stop being angry or happy about it either way that's when you should worry. I am still here trying to get my point across trying to let SP see that we are not happy. I coulf as easily quit and sell my account on fb like many people are doing.
I am passionate about this, do not take that negatively please.

Since the beginning, it was not intended to be able to use defense team in TW as players can get attacked at any time in pvp.

Ok, but again I ask very politely why? What does Sp gain. What is the point game wise and other.
Obviously it is not technical we can select them in war now and before new pvp we always been able to select them everywhere else. As Haka said.

Edit:
One more thing, please, don't include Carlos if it's not about the monsters themselves as he has to work as well and he is not responsible for any of these decisions.

Carlos has given us straight answers and seems to genuinely care about us, that's why we tag him. I don't see how me tagging him makes him unable to work. We have even talked to him on our own facebook group that he joined looking for feedback.
One of the issues we brought there was if both monsters have same speed who goes first which is now handled with this update. So talking to carlos helps us.

@Nani3 said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@Nynaevelan
I am a collector too, but what good does it do ?
I have 60 monsters never hatched because they refuse to give us additional habitats & islands & now comes more monsters and the only way any of these well soon to be 65 - 70 newer monsters will ever see anything other than storage room is if I sell off 65-70 older monsters then if breeding event comes up I may or most likely may not have the monster or monsters required for breeding which again will make SP happy bcuz means I would b forced to spend more gems. And let them ban me from the forum if I'm not allowed to hatch monsters I waste money on, then what's the point of playing anymore ? Beyond point of frustration & again doesn't matter because SP doesn't care so may as well take my $1-2k per month & find a game who treats players fairly & as if they actually care about the players.

It has been mentioned many times they are working on a solution for this.

@Sam But we see when players are unhappy, we read and see feedback. We hear you.
Carlos is a game designer, he cares a lot, like the rest of us, but he can't spend all his time here answering questions that are not even related to Monsters. He doesn't make these kinds of decisions. I asked you nicely so please, respect it.

I gave you a straight answer in the previous post. Diversity, it is pretty clear.
I am very sorry that you feel this way, truly but I also encourage you to look at it from a different point of view.
There is nothing more I can add at this point.

@Nynaevelan said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@Nani3 said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@Nynaevelan
I am a collector too, but what good does it do ?
I have 60 monsters never hatched because they refuse to give us additional habitats & islands & now comes more monsters and the only way any of these well soon to be 65 - 70 newer monsters will ever see anything other than storage room is if I sell off 65-70 older monsters then if breeding event comes up I may or most likely may not have the monster or monsters required for breeding which again will make SP happy bcuz means I would b forced to spend more gems. And let them ban me from the forum if I'm not allowed to hatch monsters I waste money on, then what's the point of playing anymore ? Beyond point of frustration & again doesn't matter because SP doesn't care so may as well take my $1-2k per month & find a game who treats players fairly & as if they actually care about the players.

It has been mentioned many times they are working on a solution for this.

As I said in a other post they are working to a solution at the end of September

@Fox said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@Sam But we see when players are unhappy, we read and see feedback. We hear you.
Carlos is a game designer, he cares a lot, like the rest of us, but he can't spend all his time here answering questions that are not even related to Monsters. He doesn't make these kinds of decisions. I asked you nicely so please, respect it.

I gave you a straight answer in the previous post. Diversity, it is pretty clear.
I am very sorry that you feel this way, truly but I also encourage you to look at it from a different point of view.
There is nothing more I can add at this point.

Fox I am not trying to be a trouble maker. I have been on this game and the old forums from 2014. I spent a lot of time there making a thread that categorized all monster discussions in one place. I care about the well being of the forum as well, and I don't want to see any more of my teammates or players I know quit out of frustration myself included that's why I come here and rant. I hope you know that.

For diversity, ok good point. However, just to clarify this does not limit us from using them or urge us to use others. We just have to go and switch them out in pvp, use them where we want then put them back. It only made it inconvenient, nothing more. Keep in mind new players who have like 3 legends to use anyway. How can they get more for dungeons and adventure map and war. (This is meant for feedback if they give you that argument)

And for Carlos. When i tag him I don't expect him to answer everytime. It is only to direct his attention to something. So if he can help us he does. He already helped us with the monsters having same speed issue. But if it is annoying him like you're implying I will stop.
Hopefully others will be more around to look at our feedback.

It is good to know that you do listen and rely our feedback even if they choose to act against it. Guess that's all we can hope for.

Thanks for your time.

@Fox

With all due respect it creates zero diversity. Not a single player is going to say "man, I want to use this monster in my war but jeez I have him on my defensive pvp team. Guess I'll use someone else"

Again, if you want diversity then by all means make the books diverse. This literally will do nothing but cause an inconvenience

@teach49 said "man, I want to use this monster in my war but jeez I have him on my defensive pvp team. Guess I'll use someone else"
Hahaha , Thanks i laughed hard

Do you all move around your monsters that much? I picked my strongest monsters for my defense who I would not normally use for dungeons or PvP. Now I am sure i am the exception to the norm but this is one instance where being a collector pays off and I have many to choose from. I am quite happy with the new system, other than the defense problem that is. Not seeing the opposing team's runes is a minor annoyance but not a deal breaker. I am sure this will become more of a problem once i get higher in the leagues but for now it is manageable.

Right now I am more concerned with trying to find the best defense team.

It doesn't take much common sense to figure out that 99% of the competitive player base, is not going to use a suboptimal monster in war just for the sake of "diversity", unless you like some diversity from winning.

You guys can pressure Fox all you want, but as a community manager, there are many things she can't say out loud. Like for example, if the real reason is not for "diversity" but for making more money for the game, by successfully forcing some of the players to spend more to make one more set of highly invested monsters for PVP defense, she probably can't say that to you all without getting fired.

Also even if they really don't care for everyone's feedback, and ignore whatever inconvenience this is going to cause the player base because that is going to make them more money, guess what, she can't say that straight to you guys, and will give you some pacifier answers.

So in simpler terms, your inconvenience will generate them more revenue, which will keep up creative design for the game, and thus will get more monsters created, and in the end, more diversity.

@Portgas-D.-Ace good, FYI Fox is a she....

@Nynaevelan Thx for the correction, edited post to reflect my misconception that all internet identities are male until proven otherwise :)

@Portgas-D.-Ace said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

So in simpler terms, your inconvenience will generate them more revenue, which will keep up creative design for the game, and thus will get more monsters created, and in the end, more diversity.

It's too bad all these new monsters don't really impact diversity at all right now though. There's less and less chance to use the crazy number of new monsters as book rules are starting to creep in to all of the weekly dungeons and....the new monsters are not in any books.

Beyond that, for the players that have more advanced ranks, you're pitted up against similar or higher leveled monsters across the whole game (dungeons, PvP, wars, etc) so it's not often the case you could use your shiny new unranked monster in many places.

I still believe the library and books were a good idea, I am just vehemently against the way they are being rolled out. I'd honestly like to see book rules show up everywhere, wars, dungeons, PvP, even adventure map. They do need to balance that against lower leveled players though who won't have as comprehensive a collection as higher levels.

@karryt Well they killed diversity way back when they introduced the lab, but that is a whole other discussion.

I play on 2 teams, one a competitive one, where anything lvl 105 and below gets run over like road-kill. So I know what you mean.

But I also play on a noob team, where having a lvl 100 with lvl 4 runes can wreck enemy's top bases. For that player group, new monsters do get put in play and are fun.

I had brought this up elsewhere before, that to alleviate the frustration, and cater to different player's investment allowance, they really should create different leagues for war.

Like a Legendary League, where there is no limit on level and runes.

A Gold League, where the limit of monster level is 115, and max lvl 8 runes. Anything higher will be scaled down to the limit.

And then a Silver League, where limit of monster level is 100, and max lvl 6 runes.

This way you if you like playing with all the "diversity" and new monsters without worrying about 130s just molesting you, you can stay in Silver League. Semi competitive players can be in Gold, and the whales fight to their heart's content in Legendary.

A level cap system also ensures that winning is not largely based on money spent, but will more be determined by team coordination, strategy, and individual player skill & participation.

However this design is for player's benefit; if they cannot find a way to make it into a gold mine, of course SP will not bother to do charity work.

@Fox

We really appreciate the feedback our community is constantly giving us. We do take it into consideration every time there are decisions being made.

What about poor decisions made or decisions poorly implemented? We have been suffering through many of those lately.

@Portgas-D.-Ace said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

@karryt Well they killed diversity way back when they introduced the lab, but that is a whole other discussion.

I play on 2 teams, one a competitive one, where anything lvl 105 and below gets run over like road-kill. So I know what you mean.

But I also play on a noob team, where having a lvl 100 with lvl 4 runes can wreck enemy's top bases. For that player group, new monsters do get put in play and are fun.

Yeah, it was fun joining a team initially and being in wars where we'd see all kinds of different monsters, but that only lasts so long if you want to have a chance to compete sadly :(

However this design is for player's benefit; if they cannot find a way to make it into a gold mine, of course SP will not bother to do charity work.

Ah, but the kicker is that just because there may not be any short term monetary gain from a change, it can still make a big difference if they value their product over a long life cycle. Right now for instance many folks feel like SP is trying to monetize too much and some of them are quitting.

These games are all momentum based, if they stop growing the player base, then the game starts to shrink and ultimately needs to fold. My feel at the top 1-200 teams level is that it wouldn't take too many exiters to quickly shift the feel of the game.

With all the discontent and what I feel have been only partially successful changes I've put a hold on purchasing/investing for now.

Some changes make good sense to me.

On defence, the AI needs as much help as it can get. The AI won't use all those clever combos that a human can.

It never made sense for attacker to go first in a speed tie. The attacker simply doesn't need another advantage.

Similarly, the use of items meant that I had no real way to evaluate the effectiveness of my defences, and was yet another advantage given to a human attacker. Defence teams didn't use items - and without human agency wouldn't use the right item anyway.

So the attacker, already with the advantage of intelligent skill selection, also got to go first on a speed tie and use items. Not surprising that successful defence was disproportionately low.

I think both changes positively address the defence imbalance.

Yes, another step away from the old attack-win-everyone-gets-a-lollipop status quo that persevered for years is quite welcome as far as I am concerned.

What does mystify me is the decision to make defence teams ineligible for war. Look, I play for war. I am not alone. PvP is a minor sideshow; one which I had grown bored with and stopped participating in since 2016. I had only just started again, because I like the new format (with reservations - shields should not go down until after the attack is completed). Now, if it is a choice between a monster being in war or on a sideshow pvp defence, there is no dilemma. I just stop caring about pvp again.

@C0ntr1v3d said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

Some changes make good sense to me.

On defence, the AI needs as much help as it can get. The AI won't use all those clever combos that a human can.

It never made sense for attacker to go first in a speed tie. The attacker simply doesn't need another advantage.

I agree with that, I personally recently asked Carlos about this (if you remember Paul, I sent you fb msg with same question recently) and I believe this fix is fair. 50% chance is fine and I am thankful that Carlos addressed this.

Similarly, the use of items meant that I had no real way to evaluate the effectiveness of my defences, and was yet another advantage given to a human attacker. Defence teams didn't use items - and without human agency wouldn't use the right item anyway.

That is true, but my main beef with that is unfair matchamking that higher level players may not notice. I rarely use items in pvp. but when I was starting up and I got matched with 100s when my monsters were 80 or 85 and I ran out of gold before finding a proper match, items did help. It was a way to counter unfair matchmaking, that is now taken away.

what is fair matchmaking? don't allow more than 10 level difference between the matched monsters, don't allow more than 2 rune level difference. 100s vs 130s. rune V vs rune 8 that is not fair imo.

What does mystify me is the decision to make defence teams ineligible for war. Look, I play for war. I am not alone. PvP is a minor sideshow; one which I had grown bored with and stopped participating in since 2016. I had only just started again, because I like the new format (with reservations - shields should not go down until after the attack is completed). Now, if it is a choice between a monster being in war or on a sideshow pvp defence, there is no dilemma. I just stop caring about pvp again.

exactly, war is the only thing keeping many of us interested. I am now going to set my commons on pvp and be done with it. going to switch out every time I want to use a hard earned monster in a war or dungeon or even to just check its speed when put with certain team speed carriers is not worth the hassle.
I ranked my monsters and gave them runes and worked hard on them to USE them, not to put them in hibernation.

isni it obvious? they want us to make copies of monsters(and runes) in the defense team
good as in economic pov

@loony123 said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

isni it obvious? they want us to make copies of monsters(and runes) in the defense team
good as in economic pov

Except for that to work, pvp would need to be far more interesting, engaging, and rewarding, than it is.

Just a curious thought...what difference does the 50% chance on similar speeds make..? It doesn't really with the new pvp, as we can't see the runes, lol. You choose your target, not knowing what runes they're using anyway. Lol, defence will only matter to those of you with multiples now, I, for one, don't care anymore...😁 Hilarious decisions...

@C0ntr1v3d people have been really hyped about the reward of this season being "too generous". i guess that qualifies as engaging and more interesting reward

I would like to understand the reasoning behind the new rules concerning the use of our monsters. Not only can we not use same monsters In dungeons, pvp and war. We now have the confusing issue of 50% chance of defence or attacking monsters going first in pvp if they have the same runes, but we won't know who is going to get that advantage until we attack. Is this now going to be introduced into our wars. If so would it not be easier to make sure rune guard worked in defence in war.

I do not understand what the big deal is. Need a monster for war? Change your PVP defence. Slightly annoying, but nothing I can be bothered about too much.

@loony123 an introductory reward. As flagged by the update.

@Ekto-Gamat said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

I do not understand what the big deal is. Need a monster for war? Change your PVP defence. Slightly annoying, but nothing I can be bothered about too much.

But that's the thing, if it's not a big deal, why would SP go through the effort to put this annoyance in place? In a time where they are making a lot of unpopular changes (most of which I do agree need to be done, or rather needed to be done a long time ago!), I feel they shouldn't be adding in even more annoyances over trivial things.

@loony123 And yet the vast majority will probably get less gems than if they just did the old pvp events and got the 20 gem payout and the 25 gem place. In a two week period you used to be able to count on 90 gems and sometimes more. Not to mention the food and good stealing. Before all that was needed was 3 decent lv 100s with level 4 runes and time plus effort. Now to get the same gems you will need better than that...If they lower the rewards than it is a gem nerf, not increase.

Hi. You can tag me. But as fox mentioned there, I won't be able to answer everything! I'm in a lot of channels and getting a lot of information! I hope it helps in the near future!

And I'm sorry I cannot add anything constructive to this conversation. It is something away my control.

Question. Would you use the same team for attack that for defence in PVP and the Team wars one?

@Carlos said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

Hi. You can tag me. But as fox mentioned there, I won't be able to answer everything! I'm in a lot of channels and getting a lot of information! I hope it helps in the near future!

Thank you Carlos :D I don't expect you to always answer.

Question. Would you use the same team for attack that for defence in PVP and the Team wars one?

Yes I would.
I am using Thetys, Mercurius, and a 120 Avaast.

when the war rules are water\sea\female, thunder\superhero, and epic that is exactly what I will use too.

It's also not just about that.
Easiest way to test your speed, (For war) is to go to adventure map, enter any node, put the team you want to use in adventure map with all the team speed and all, and look at its speed on the left panel. Many times now I go to do that, then realize the monster I wanted to test is locked in pvp.

I enter a dungeon with thunder rule, than realize my mercurius is locked, have to go switch him out then come back to dungeon then set him back. it is just inconvenient and waste of time, it doesn't make me or any one else use someone else.

We are of course going to use our best for war and for pvp. We have few "bests" and this limitation is not going to force us to magically get another monster to 115 just to use in pvp when we have a great one already.

@Nynaevelan
Some frustration is justified here, IMO. You ask for feedback, get unanimous opinion on one point (and mind you, on something that is in no way commercially relevant), and ignore it.

Ah well, I guess I don't care anymore.

@Carlos said in What is the point!? of not allowing to use pvp defense team!:

Question. Would you use the same team for attack that for defence in PVP and the Team wars one?

That's not the point :)
The way it is implemented now, you can use them wherever you want, it's just a hell of a nuisance to switch teams around.

You could, of course, "fix" this by making them unavailable permanently, say for a cooldown time after a defense. However, I don't think this would be good - as defenders lose the vast majority of the battle anyway, players might just put in a few Pandakens for defense and be done with it. Or 3x Ouros/Igursos just to prolong the battles, in order to get another attack in before they kill their shield. Both can't be what the game designers want.

As for your question, yes, and it depends very much on player level. Where I am (a few months into the game), my level 75 Hackster still goes first in many battles against level 100 opponents because of 3 speed runes. So it's not about skill set or speed, but simply which monsters you have with good runes, and those will be only a few. Yes, I would like to use him both on defense and offense, as I have no other denier that powerful, and SP just denied me the top denier Thetys who I might use on defense otherwise. (And I know I will quit the game soon if the shop price increase is not reverted. This is not a threat, it's simply me observing that I'm getting more and more frustrated with the game, and I don't even bother to check the forum more than once a week, which is always the last stage of gameplaying before uninstalling.)

Other newish players may focus on just a few monsters. I remember well when I just had a handful of legendaries and used Krampus in every battle, as he was the first legendary I bought for diamonds. Many players seem to level up 3 monsters to 100, with all others lagging far behind.

At first I was not happy at all with addition of a defense team requiring 3 more monsters with good runes ready to fight in addition to the 3 I've focus all energy on till now. I've been playing ML little more than a year and don't have many monsters wearing high lvl runes and even less monsters ranked. I switched my attack team and defense repeatedly trying to find a combo that would let me get just 2 attacks in before my shield was back.

Then I decided to try and set up my defense focusing on skills that would delay the enemy from killing me fast and runes that would help prolong the fight and allow my team to survive (not win necessarily) for as long as it could. This is when my mind changed and I began to appreciate the change.

Up until that point on both Offense/Defense I've focused and making sure I could get 1st action and CC/kill the other team asap ( best D good O). This change has made me focus much more on the defensive types of monsters and I adjusted my thinking on runes and which are best for whom.

@fox I've got to agree with the complaint of not being able to use a defense monsters in wars, needing to remove a monster from defense makes no sense imo. There are many players who just do not have the ability or resources available to have the ability to have multiple available options, thus being a burden for them.