I think I remember seeing this somewhere here before, but I cannot find it.

I’ve got 2 alliance members showing 2 very different food amounts needed to feed the same dragon at the same level. They both spend $ in the game, obviously, as we are looking at the new vampire dragon.

The difference between them is the top image (costing more) is of a level 83 player, playing for 10 months. The bottom image is of a level 34 player, playing for 29 days.

We noticed this when looking at food chests. Player lvl 34's $20 bought him far less food than player level 83's $20.

After further research, we noticed the pretty steep difference in food requirements.

I know many games as they age will begin to scale newer players with lower requirements so they can compete to some degree with older players.

Is that what we’re seeing here? Can someone educate me about this? Or has my member just stumbled upon a rare and quite nice bug?

As always, thank you to anyone taking the time to read and reply!

[Edit: added the age of both accounts]

@amanda-wallace Wow. That is a big difference.

I would report it and ask them, I did not realize they did this. From now on I will be doing some tests in my baby accounts to see if this the same with all dragons or just specific ones. Though I can only do this on ones for free.

@amanda-wallace Is it perhaps something from Fairy Blessing?

@bettina-löffler

Ummmmm.... Fairy Blessing???

I tested using Sunset Opal and so far they are the same. Do you have any team members who have Prideful at level 42? My Wrathful is only at level 33 but the food requirement is 358k.

Edit: I tested my Wrathful in ap mode and my food requirements are the same as the level 83 player.

it does not seem to be the case of feeding frenzy.

@gemspender

Nope. This happened today.

@nynaevelan

That gives me an idea. This lower level player has prideful as well. Let me have him compare his costs to the food calc and the chart from DCP's Facebook.

Honestly I’m thinking it’s because of the age of his acct.

I will contact support in game and see what they have to say

@amanda-wallace Ok let me know if you need me to do any comparisons with my Vampires.

At this point, it appears ALL of his dragons cost much less to feed at any level, compared to the charts and calcs.

Here’s where it gets really interesting... he had some screenshots he took of various dragons after he first started playing. What he noticed was during the FEEDING FRENZY event, the cost to feed his dragons INCREASED.

Based on those screenshots, it appears that during the FRENZY, his cost increased to the amount most of us paid during the event - 50% less than normal. After the feeding event ended, his decreased back to its current discount.

Go figure

@amanda-wallace Most likely his increased because they just have one formula for lowering food costs and the algorithm assumed all accounts are the same. All I can think of there was some kind of "test" going on when he started playing that they were trying and that is why his feeding costs are lower. Tell him to feed as much as he can because they will eventually change it. I wonder if the amounts will ever even out and he will catch up with the rest of us.

@nynaevelan

My thoughts exactly why his increased during feeding event.

Not sure about a test or anything. I’ve no personal desire to begin an alt acct to see if it happens for me

But he will be comparing his costs to the chart constantly as he levels and will let us know when it raises.

@Bettina-Löffler ...

I’m seeing this confusion all over Reddit now regarding the cost of food to level dragons. It does appear to be much less for new accounts.

Perhaps you could reach out to SP and ask if this is something we may all see in the future? Will the new accounts eventually scale up to us? Is the feeding frenzy the best we get (which btw, I am completely grateful for!).

Thanks!

but if we can gather evidence, we can use this to convince DC to lower our food costs, too? that is much better than just relying on food frenzy.

I will help, where do you see them Amanda? what is reddit? I keep hearing them sometimes at work. will google later.

@Bettina-Löffler @Nynaevelan ... please guys, help a player out!?

So my alliance member that is now level 43 is still having feeding requirements scaled down. I’m all for that, a boost to keep new players.

But what I’ve just seen now is kinda really bothering me

Not only can he level his dragons MUCH faster, but his orb recall feature is boosted that much as well???

I’ve spent too much money in this game. THIS is the kinda thing that will cause me to leave.

Can you guys please speak to Social Point and ask when the rest of us will see these changes??

it must be related to the changes we see in the chest scores, too. When we breed, hatch, arena and league battles, each score per activity/dragon is now scored differrently

So, if a common dragon hatch is 45 points before but is now 1,3xx then it might have changed the orbs recalling as well.

We need to chase this, my issue is that I have never seen too many players share screenshots. They love seeing others, but are too busy/lazy to share theirs.

So, I cannot help on this aspect. (gathering visual evidence).

@gemspender

Are you saying that the chest points are differing between players?? Not just dragons?

Yeah, I agree with you we need to "chase" this. At this point I am reluctant to post this on Reddit to ask for more "proof" because I honestly think it will anger a lot of players.

Next best thing? I create a new alt account.

Ugh. More information incoming

Thanks @GemSpender !!

@amanda-wallace the points in chest when doing the tasks/battles/etc are the same for any player.

I meant SP changed the scoring system from old version to the current one since the roll out of chest 6. (around 2 months ago?)

I don't understand why there isn't a huge outcry over this.

SP are punishing loyal people who have played their game for years and giving a massive advantage to those that are new.

When I first started the game was heavily weighted the other way, with everything requiring dragons only those that had been playing for years had easy access to and higher levels getting more food for the same effort etc with the cry that this game requires patience etc

Now I've been around for a few years and it's the opposite, I'm still being disadvantaged and having to spend more time and resources to achieve the same result.

This is NOT fair play!

@cuebiyar

You got all of that right!

As for no outcry, I honestly think this might be the 1st example of the recall orbs being so much more for a new player. Think about it. They have nothing at all to compare their experience to. My new player just happen to post this screen in our chat to ask a question. As one of those long time players, the first thought I had was "WHAT??"

Oh I imagine there will be outcry. But I’m waiting to hear from the mods before I go outside of official forums to request more supporting information.

As for creating an alt account? Ha. The game will not log me out of my current one attached to FB to allow me to create a second.

@amanda-wallace said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

@Bettina-Löffler @Nynaevelan ... please guys, help a player out!?

So my alliance member that is now level 43 is still having feeding requirements scaled down. I’m all for that, a boost to keep new players.

But what I’ve just seen now is kinda really bothering me

Not only can he level his dragons MUCH faster, but his orb recall feature is boosted that much as well???

I’ve spent too much money in this game. THIS is the kinda thing that will cause me to leave.

Can you guys please speak to Social Point and ask when the rest of us will see these changes??

I am speachless. That seems to be really unfair. I am thinking of all the dragons I had to feed up for Abyss, Apocalypse and others.

I have not caffeinated yet so I will reserve my comment for now but I am in the same boat as Amanda, I have spent too much time and money in this game for them to do this. I am all for them helping newer players grow to catch up to vets but not enough that it insults and dismisses vet players. They are making it easier and easier to stop giving them my money, next up is my time.

OK guess I better stop now before I really get angry and say some choice words.

@bettina-löffler said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

I am speachless. That seems to be really unfair. I am thinking of all the dragons I had to feed up for Abyss, Apocalypse and others.

I’m not quite speechless. Not yet. But I’m not really laughing anymore as I was after seeing the differing food requirements.

I’m thinking of the dragons I fed to lvl 40 to recall 100 total orbs.

@Bettina-Löffler, this is far from "seeming to be really unfair." This is blatant disregard by Social Point for long term players that have invested time and/or money into their game.

May I assume after the weekend / holiday that you will be contacting them to demand answers for us all?

@amanda-wallace said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

@bettina-löffler said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

I am speachless. That seems to be really unfair. I am thinking of all the dragons I had to feed up for Abyss, Apocalypse and others.

I’m not quite speechless. Not yet. But I’m not really laughing anymore as I was after seeing the differing food requirements.

I’m thinking of the dragons I fed to lvl 40 to recall 100 total orbs.

@Bettina-Löffler, this is far from "seeming to be really unfair." This is blatant disregard by Social Point for long term players that have invested time and/or money into their game.

May I assume after the weekend / holiday that you will be contacting them to demand answers for us all?

I will do that for sure.

buenas,soy un jugador viejo, deje el juego y volví hace poco, soy free2play, recientemente un amigo empezó a jugar y sus costos de comida son excesivamente bajos en comparación a los míos, a mi me cuesta 421k una barra de comida de lvl 33 cuando el le cuesta 110k.

esto quedara asi para siempre o sera temporal?

@antorom96 I will try to get more informations tomorrow.

I think their is more to it, for some reason the newest account I tested required the same amount of food as the oldest. The middle account requires the least food. The newest account being 1-2 weeks old, the middle being over a month old, and the oldest being almost 6 months old. For some reason on the oldest account it randomly gave some of my dragons a +2,000hp boost without me doing anything to them.

@ethan-alumen

Did ALL your accounts receive the same boost to health that your oldest did?

I managed to create a new account a week ago. As of yesterday, to feed a level 14 dragon in my new (AND old) account cost 4750 food.

Today, it STILL cost my alliance member (playing for a little over a month) 475 food to feed a lvl 14.

I’m still waiting to hear from @Bettina-Löffler whom I believe is still waiting to hear from SP what the heck is going on

So... is the lowered food amount for boosted accounts a "loan" that newer accounts will have to pay back at higher levels (the new account screenshot was taken before update, which changed nothing regarding food requirements).

Also note, with those orb recalls (at much less feeding requirements) just how easy it will be to recall and * previously very difficult to empower dragons - for example pure/primal Titans.

are those photoshopped images? beeing able to generate orbs cheaply seems to be against sps usual politics. such a player will never pay 100 gems for 10 heroic orbs if he can just trade a little food for them.

@apoli said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

are those photoshopped images? beeing able to generate orbs cheaply seems to be against sps usual politics. such a player will never pay 100 gems for 10 heroic orbs if he can just trade a little food for them.

They are indeed NOT photoshopped!!! Please follow previous posts in this thread

NOW you understand my tremendous confusion!!

These players with boosted accounts could effectively * limited available dragons in an orb loop for much less than other players.

not for much less, at all! you cannot do this if the max lvl 40 is required to recoup the 100 orbs.

so this change isnt a quantitative one like less food requirements, its a qualitative one, a literal game changer.

@apoli

Yes, I know...

I’ve spoken to several players with accounts like this. One player was accused of hacking when he shared photos of his "boosted" game mechanics, and was then scared to keep playing, investing his time / money into the game, fearing his account was "bugged"

Is there anyone who has more contact with SP that can help escalate this?

After all, the way SP is now, it is basically a money eating game vampire - sucking us out of our dollars so any reduction in costs or improvement on orbs to get or less food will be tremendously helpful to the community.

PS: note that the players are responsible for the amount of money spend on SP's game, i was just trying to hint that it is getting expensive.

I don't understand why you all are still discussing this. Having someone else "help" with SP is an act of futility. SP is doing testing of this feature with the accounts they selected. This is a decision they have made and they will continue with it until they decide they have the data they need to make decisions based on it. Is it hurtful for those that do not have it? Yes. Will they compensate the rest of us when this test is over? Who knows. Is it a game changer? I guess that depends on your point of view and how long the test lasts. Personally I do not think it is, most of the newer players do not have the resources or game savvy to fully benefit from this so it won't hurt the overall game demographics.

You all can rant and rave but SP is going to do what SP is doing. Oh and if you want "someone" to help you with SP how about you send in tickets directly to SP and let them hear your voice. Maybe if enough of you reach out to them they will stop and listen to your message.

@gemspender said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

Is there anyone who has more contact with SP that can help escalate this?

After all, the way SP is now, it is basically a money eating game vampire - sucking us out of our dollars so any reduction in costs or improvement on orbs to get or less food will be tremendously helpful to the community.

PS: note that the players are responsible for the amount of money spend on SP's game, i was just trying to hint that it is getting expensive.

Yes it can get expensive but no one is bending your arm making you spend your money, this is a decision you are making all on your own. Spending is not required in the game nor is it dependent on you progressing. If you keep choosing to give more and more money to them you have no one to blame or rant against except yourself...

@nynaevelan don't worry. I did say that in my PS because I know that your position will ensure you make this clear to us.

As for your statement on us sending it tickets - it is just that we have so many ticket to send to them that we also cannot send everything.

I was hoping that the forum can be monitored by SP that even without action on moderator's part, they know this is what players think, so they might action them.

we all recognize the difficulties of moderators.

@gemspender said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

@nynaevelan don't worry. I did say that in my PS because I know that your position will ensure you make this clear to us.

As for your statement on us sending it tickets - it is just that we have so many ticket to send to them that we also cannot send everything.

I was hoping that the forum can be monitored by SP that even without action on moderator's part, they know this is what players think, so they might action them.

we all recognize the difficulties of moderators.

I get where you are coming from, but if you want them to get where you are coming from send it to them. We have two mods and one CM. Even if all three of us send in our complaints, concerns and questions to them it is coming from three people. Now take 50 players and they all send in messages. Now you have all the CS agents telling them over and over what they are receiving. And whoever their boss is will now be passing on the stats to them of what they agents are hearing in mass quantities.....they are going to stop and listen to the 50 + agents and others more than they will listen to the 3 who mentions what they are seeing on the social platforms. I am not saying that you should stop speaking here, I am saying that you should also be speaking directly to them. And don't get me wrong, just because I am a mod and I have a SP contact that has not stopped me from sending in my tickets over my complaints, concerns and questions. They are probably sick of seeing my name. I think you all know me enough to know I speak my mind.

Speak up and speak out but don't forget to do it where you will not only be heard but where your message can generate some action to change it. If every person in this topic who has spoken out about this issue has not sent in a ticket then you are wasting your time and energy ranting about it. As my mom used to say "don't just speak to hear yourself talk, speak to get your message addressed where it needs to be."

@nynaevelan said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

I don't understand why you all are still discussing this. SP is doing testing of this feature with the accounts they selected. This is a decision they have made and they will continue with it until they decide they have the data they need to make decisions based on it. Is it hurtful for those that do not have it? Yes.

this is the first time i hear about this test. id have thought you put the results of your inquiries here.

i totally understand how people feel ripped off even if they got what was promised if they find out afterwards that others got way better deals.

All previously boosted accounts are now the same as everyone else. They can no longer recall for more orbs than us, and our food requirements are scaled the same also. Everyone is equal now.
Amanda wanted me to let everyone know....since she got banned while discussing this issue

@jason-wallace I just stumbled upon this, and as a vet player it sorta perturbed me (not what I was thinking in my head) But this has gotten crazy and confusing. But that’s not the point as you stated it’s now fixed. Your post just answered the question that’s nagged me for awhile, on why Amanda was banned. But also may I ask how you know it’s been fixed? Or maybe I’m missing some crucial detail.

[Nevermind, I found that Crucial detail]

wait what detail?
and why was amanda banned? because of this here thread? i dont get it.

@apoli look at Jason Wallace’s post. Also there’s another post showing the detail I missed just look for it

@apoli said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

wait what detail?
and why was amanda banned? because of this here thread? i dont get it.

No and that information will not be released publicly. Please keep it on topic.

@the-dragonificer said in New accounts boosted by SP?????:

on why Amanda was banned

Noone is banned from here for no reason. We don't have to justify ourselves, nor do we have to publicly disclose the reasons.

@bettina-löffler I completely agree, and never intended to portray the fact that she wasn’t banned for no reason, as I fully know that. It was just curiosity that was put to rest, I never needed or wanted an explanation.