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Trophies.

I just had a bug in the number of trophies in the new arena. We all know that when we start a new arena, we are reset to our number of trophies; as this new arena began: Darker Night, I entered the game; I received the rewards from the Firemaster arena, because I reached the second phase of this and saw that my number of cups was 11000 trophies, that is, my counter did not reset. I restarted Dragon City, but still had 11,000 points.

Did someone else happen to this?
I leave a screenshot as evidence.

With nothing else to say.
Have a great day.

@dany-dany-0 said in Trophies:

Trophies.

I just had a bug in the number of trophies in the new arena. We all know that when we start a new arena, we are reset to our number of trophies; as this new arena began: Darker Night, I entered the game; I received the rewards from the Firemaster arena, because I reached the second phase of this and saw that my number of cups was 11000 trophies, that is, my counter did not reset. I restarted Dragon City, but still had 11,000 points.

Did someone else happen to this?
I leave a screenshot as evidence.

With nothing else to say.
Have a great day.

It seems as if they changed the system. Some start with 10k, some with 11k and others with 12k. So this is not a bug.

Something tells me this is another one of their tests, the question is, what are they testing.

Thank Dany for loggin/noting this. I was about to also ask if this was a bug. Not sure if I like it or not, its nice to immediately be able to win the next legendary, but part of me likes training my Legendaries for the new element during the master leaugues so that I eventually get them all trained and ranked. Well, since I have a couple of heriocs, I now have more days to try get enough orbs to empower the dragon.

Honestly, I battled with Flame Arena 2. All those 4-5 star Kitsune dragons sure gave my lvl 40 heriocs a beating.

Lets see how this goes, nothing stops me from still training/ranking my dark legendaries if all my heriocs are max.

Enjoy guys.

I think what I said about having 11,000 points in the master arena instead of the usual 10,000 when starting a new season in these, and based on what you have answered, I agree that probably; Social Point must be testing a new format for these arenas, based on the last phase of the arena (I, II, II) in which you previously stayed.

With nothing more to say.
Have a great day.

They used to sometimes start us in the new master arena season in the same level that we ended the old season. But it has been a long time since they did that.

I ended last season in master 3, and got reset to 12000, in my opinion this is better so higher grade players aren't pitted with lower grade players right at the start of the season, and it makes it so I don't have to play 24/7 to be able to get them 220 legendary orbs

I’m very saddened by this change - I finished last season with 12,126 point and reset to 12,000, still in M3.

Impossible to find a beatable battle at this point, but why bother anyway??? I’ve already "achieved" my usual goal of reaching M3 in the 2 week season.

I haven’t lost a league battle in many months. The ONLY competitive reason to level, empower, train and rank ANY dragon is to fight in the arena season.

And that sole reason was removed this season. Blah.

For me, it’s a

@amanda-wallace said in Trophies - No bug:

I’m very saddened by this change - I finished last season with 12,126 point and reset to 12,000, still in M3.

Impossible to find a beatable battle at this point, but why bother anyway??? I’ve already "achieved" my usual goal of reaching M3 in the 2 week season.

I haven’t lost a league battle in many months. The ONLY competitive reason to level, empower, train and rank ANY dragon is to fight in the arena season.

And that sole reason was removed this season. Blah.

For me, it’s a

If you haven't lost a battle in months I would love to know what your team is. I usually lose at least one but then at least 1 of my dragons is always something I am ranking.

As to the arena, while this change is interesting, personally I am still going up against the same level of players so being at 12k rather then 10k just eliminates the anxiety to get back to arena 3. Keep in mind I am not a big fan of the arena so unless I am fighting to get back to arena 3, getting the daily chest or during an alliance chest i don't bother with it.

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

@amanda-wallace said in Trophies - No bug:

I’m very saddened by this change - I finished last season with 12,126 point and reset to 12,000, still in M3.

Impossible to find a beatable battle at this point, but why bother anyway??? I’ve already "achieved" my usual goal of reaching M3 in the 2 week season.

I haven’t lost a league battle in many months. The ONLY competitive reason to level, empower, train and rank ANY dragon is to fight in the arena season.

And that sole reason was removed this season. Blah.

For me, it’s a

If you haven't lost a battle in months I would love to know what your team is. I usually lose at least one but then at least 1 of my dragons is always something I am ranking.

As to the arena, while this change is interesting, personally I am still going up against the same level of players so being at 12k rather then 10k just eliminates the anxiety to get back to arena 3. Keep in mind I am not a big fan of the arena so unless I am fighting to get back to arena 3, getting the daily chest or during an alliance chest i don't bother with it.

Current league team; High Arcane 3* (55), Wishing Star 3* (55) , Prideful Vampire 2* (50).

I use battle / challenges against friends to rank all my dragons, so only use best dragons for league. (Only using the Vampire for fun.) I only fight league battle for alliance chest or event requirements. I’m in NO hurry to increase the 8 gems it costs me to hurry battles. I’m only in league 106. I may start resetting battles if only to prevent having to spend even more gems to hurry them.

As for the arena, I only fight during alliance chest and for master arena promotion. Sure there’s a bit of anxiety trying to get to M3 in 2 weeks, but I’ve made it consistently for the past 3 months or so. Like I said, that's my only reason to even bother to do more than collecting - which I love! But my real time, effort and $ is spent raising battle dragons.

I was reset to 12,000 and now I don't feel a need to fight except for the arena chest. I'll get the orbs, tokens and food anyway.
The Dark Master Arena Season is boring now.

In Master III only my H-Dragons fight. All my L-Dragons are almost worthless. And this is really sad.

The fights in Master I and II with their special rules shuffle your usual fighting teams and that is insteresting.

I had a hard time getting to Fire Master Arena III.
Usually I reach Master Arena III 3 to 4 days before the end of the season. Fire was harder for me, because of all the high level Kitsune and the fact that most of my fighters have war element. But I managed to get there on the last day. And I liked that challenge.

So, I hope it was a 'bug' to not reset everyone to 10,000.

Another suggestion. Thinking about it they should have made seperate pools for everyone. So for simplist group pooling. Is everyone starts at 10k trophies, but you go against players only that got as far as yourself. So if you reached Arena 3, you only go against people that reached same arena.
A more advanced version is to break it into even smaller pools, ie each 100trophies, 10k to 10.1k, 10.1k to 10.2k etc.

I feel what they were trying to do/fix was so that the guys without strong dragons have to go against guys with level 50+ 5star dragons for 5 days, until they all leave and go to higher arenas. I used to wait a while before trying to win fights in previous master arenas.

@gilberto-silva said in Trophies - No bug:

Another suggestion. Thinking about it they should have made seperate pools for everyone. So for simplist group pooling. Is everyone starts at 10k trophies, but you go against players only that got as far as yourself. So if you reached Arena 3, you only go against people that reached same arena.
A more advanced version is to break it into even smaller pools, ie each 100trophies, 10k to 10.1k, 10.1k to 10.2k etc.

I feel what they were trying to do/fix was so that the guys without strong dragons have to go against guys with level 50+ 5star dragons for 5 days, until they all leave and go to higher arenas. I used to wait a while before trying to win fights in previous master arenas.

I am confused by your suggestion, after all this is already in place. Those in arena 3 should only be facing the people in arena 3. Although there has always been a rule that you could face anyone +/- 1000 trophies so there is a possibility at the beginning of the season you could be facing those in arena 2 who have not moved yet. As to your other suggestion of the smaller pools I think that would become too complicated to implement and maintain, resources that they could use to fix bugs and create new content. However I do think they need to come up with a plan to narrow down the matchmaking to make opponents much more realistic. It cannot just be limited by trophies because players can put either strong or weak dragons up in their team. And it cannot just be based on dragons because lower leveled players have a good chance of getting more heroics since their races would not be as competitive.

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

@gilberto-silva said in Trophies - No bug:

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A more advanced version is to break it into even smaller pools, ie each 100trophies, 10k to 10.1k, 10.1k to 10.2k etc.
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I am confused by your suggestion, after all this is already in place. Those in arena 3 should only be facing the people in arena 3. Although there has always been a rule that you could face anyone +/- 1000 trophies so there is a possibility at the beginning of the season you could be facing those in arena 2 who have not moved yet.
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I am confused, too.
My arena opponents are always players 50-100 trophies above me.
In this very moment I have 12104 trophies and my opponent has 12181.
After the fight, I now have 12121 and the new opponent 12199, first skip with gold 12198, second skip with food 12197.

I don't think, that we need to break it down in to even smaller pools.

I usually wait a day before I start fighting to avoid all the top players with their Level 70 five stars dragons.
And for all the other players who are too strong for me, there is still the possibility to skip.

I was trying to say everyone starts at 10000 trophies, ie fighting with non Herioc dragons.
Arena3 Pool: Jarozeb and Nynaevelen would be in the same pool and could fight each other as they progress from Arena1-> Arena3 if their tropies are near each other (50-100 trophies higher). This is because they are equivalent in strength and skill.

Arena2 Pool: Then you have myself which only reached Arena2.
I won't ever see Jarozeb or Nynaevelen as they are in a elite pool of players, I'll only fight againt others that reach Arena2 in the last Master Arenas. I wont fight people that remained in Arena1 either from the previous Master Arenas. The normal rule applies still. I would be fighting guys in my pool, but 50-100 trophies higher than me as I progress between the Arena levels.

Arena1 Pool: Then you get those that battled to get anywhere (me too on my first couple of months). They only go against people that didn't make it before or are too lazy to play the previous Master Arena. So the opponents would/should be fairly easy. ie They won't see 9 out of 10 opponents with 3-5star Kitsunes or 5star Kratus dragons.

^Regarding my last comment. Jarozeb and Nynaevelen will probably be going against those 3-5star Kitsunes or 5star Kratus dragons if they don't already own their own.

@gilberto-silva lol I no NOT think empowered dragons should be excluded in any of the arenas, after all what would be the point to get them if you cannot use them in the fighting arenas, and by that I mean all of them, the leagues, arenas, event fights and friend challenges. With that said it would be nice if they took into account the player level, strength and number of dragons and empowered dragons when matchmaking. In fact I wouldn't might seeing an arena season that had empowerment levels as rules, perhaps the first couple of stars for arena one, 1 to 3 stars for arena 2 and 3 stars or higher for arena 3. With that said I think what you are stating should already be in place in theory, however I think the top or bottom levels of each arena has the possibility of getting some opponents in the next or previous arena depending if you are in the top or bottom to give players more of a selection of opponents, though I wouldn't mind repeating against the same players would help to avoid this.

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

@gilberto-silva lol I no NOT think empowered dragons should be excluded in any of the arenas, after all what would be the point to get them if you cannot use them in the fighting arenas, and by that I mean all of them, the leagues, arenas, event fights and friend challenges. With that said it would be nice if they took into account the player level, strength and number of dragons and empowered dragons when matchmaking. In fact I wouldn't might seeing an arena season that had empowerment levels as rules, perhaps the first couple of stars for arena one, 1 to 3 stars for arena 2 and 3 stars or higher for arena 3. With that said I think what you are stating should already be in place in theory, however I think the top or bottom levels of each arena has the possibility of getting some opponents in the next or previous arena depending if you are in the top or bottom to give players more of a selection of opponents, though I wouldn't mind repeating against the same players would help to avoid this.

i really think you've basically nailed a better matching criteria.

to recap: Arena rules for better matching purposes can incorporate EMPOWERMENT rules.

Ex: Only 1-star = arena 1; 1-star to 3-stars = arena 2.

@gilberto-silva said in Trophies - No bug:

I was trying to say everyone starts at 10000 trophies, ie fighting with non Herioc dragons.
[...]
Arena2 Pool: Then you have myself which only reached Arena2.
I won't ever see Jarozeb or Nynaevelen as they are in a elite pool of players, ...
[...]
^Regarding my last comment. Jarozeb and Nynaevelen will probably be going against those 3-5star Kitsunes or 5star Kratus dragons if they don't already own their own.

Ok, I see. Everybody will be fighting their way from Master I to III but with a different group (pool) of opponents chosen by their effort in the last season.

I am not sure, if this is fair.
Just because someone tried harder he/she should not be grouped with stronger players.
I have to skip all the 5-star Kratus-Players.
My best dragons are a few level 40 1-star H-dragons . I have some level 35 2- oder 3-star L-dragons. That's it.
If I would be in a pool with only elite players with level 55 3-star H-dragons or more, I would stay in Master Arena I forever and not even get an arena chest. I would be punished for reaching Master III and someone who didn't even try would be rewarded.

@gemspender said in Trophies - No bug:

i really think you've basically nailed a better matching criteria.

to recap: Arena rules for better matching purposes can incorporate EMPOWERMENT rules.

Ex: Only 1-star = arena 1; 1-star to 3-stars = arena 2.

I am not convinced yet. It is not all about stars.
What about levels?
What about rarity?

@jarozeb What do you mean someone who didn't try? NO ONE in any of the master arenas are anyone who didn't try, everyone fought to get there. Second is there any player who does not have to skip past opponents at least once? For me, I have to skip several times a season, most times at least once a fighting set. And even being a high level player with many dragons that still does not mean I have an easy time of it. I know that based on my gaming strategy, me not being a primary fighter, I do not have many high leveled fighters and of the ones that are empowered they are not leveled up to their full potential. So should I claim unfairness based on this fact? If there is one thing we all agree on it is the fact that the current matchmaking does not take into account enough factors to pair us up to the best advantage.

Honestly when I think about it, if they are putting the high achievers in arena three at the start of a season than those players who start in arena two or one should not be facing them because that group will have been fighting and are higher up in the arena, so you should be facing those that are fighting at the same pace as you. And sorry but I do not think there are many if any players who start the season at arena 3 and are not fighting their way up. So I do not think they are sitting there waiting for players like you to show up.

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

@jarozeb What do you mean someone who didn't try?

I was referring to:
@gilberto-silva said in Trophies - No bug:

Arena1 Pool: Then you get those that battled to get anywhere (me too on my first couple of months). They only go against people that didn't make it before or are too lazy to play the previous Master Arena. So the opponents would/should be fairly easy. ie They won't see 9 out of 10 opponents with 3-5star Kitsunes or 5star Kratus dragons.

"Someone who didn't try" was my version of "people that ... are too lazy to play the previous Master Arena".

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

NO ONE in any of the master arenas are anyone who didn't try, everyone fought to get there. Second is there any player who does not have to skip past opponents at least once? For me, I have to skip several times a season, most times at least once a fighting set.

I have to skip more then once in a fighting set. Most of the time I skip one or two times for every fight I take on, because my dragons are quite weak.

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

And even being a high level player with many dragons that still does not mean I have an easy time of it. I know that based on my gaming strategy, me not being a primary fighter, I do not have many high leveled fighters and of the ones that are empowered they are not leveled up to their full potential.

Same with me. Although I have a few 3-star L-dragons. None is leveled higher than 35.

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

So should I claim unfairness based on this fact? If there is one thing we all agree on it is the fact that the current matchmaking does not take into account enough factors to pair us up to the best advantage.

I think, the current matchmaking takes the most important factor into account: Trophies.
If someone is winning a lot, he/she will have a lot of trophies and he/she will be paired with other players with a lot of trophies. So, he/she will be paired with other players that win a lot.

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

Honestly when I think about it, if they are putting the high achievers in arena three at the start of a season than those players who start in arena two or one should not be facing them because that group will have been fighting and are higher up in the arena, so you should be facing those that are fighting at the same pace as you. And sorry but I do not think there are many if any players who start the season at arena 3 and are not fighting their way up. So I do not think they are sitting there waiting for players like you to show up.

But this is exactly what happens. Someone with the same fighting pace as me has a similar number of trophies as I have. And I have not yet seen an opponent with +1000 trophies. As I said, most are round about 50-100 trophies above me.

In the current Dark Master Arena each of the top 10 players made more trophies in the first 8 hours as I make in a whole season. I will never be matched against one of them.

I don't see a reason to alter the matchmaking.

@jarozeb said in Trophies - No bug:

@gemspender said in Trophies - No bug:

i really think you've basically nailed a better matching criteria.

to recap: Arena rules for better matching purposes can incorporate EMPOWERMENT rules.

Ex: Only 1-star = arena 1; 1-star to 3-stars = arena 2.

I am not convinced yet. It is not all about stars.
What about levels?
What about rarity?

Hello, i was typing about my suggestions on rarity being a factor of arena but I did not because Nynaevelan has a habit of enforcing that only the topic can be discussed in that post. and this was about trophies.

Honestly, I really wanted a discussion on inter-relationship between different aspects of the game but she has warned me almost 2x by now.

@gemspender said in Trophies - No bug:

@jarozeb said in Trophies - No bug:

@gemspender said in Trophies - No bug:

i really think you've basically nailed a better matching criteria.

to recap: Arena rules for better matching purposes can incorporate EMPOWERMENT rules.

Ex: Only 1-star = arena 1; 1-star to 3-stars = arena 2.

I am not convinced yet. It is not all about stars.
What about levels?
What about rarity?

Hello, i was typing about my suggestions on rarity being a factor of arena but I did not because Nynaevelan has a habit of enforcing that only the topic can be discussed in that post. and this was about trophies.

Honestly, I really wanted a discussion on inter-relationship between different aspects of the game but she has warned me almost 2x by now.

explain more, maybe I am missing something on the topic?

Hey guys... I officially change my opinion on the reset to bottom of last league issue...

Before, my goal was to reach M3 for the rewards. Therefore, losing a battle (trophies) wasn’t really an option to me. So a few gems spent to find a battle I was likely to win, when putting points on the alliance chest, was a price I was willing to pay.

Being reset to 12k points changed things for me. I decided to take some chances on battles I would normally skip. To my surprise, I can actually take on a level 70 (if its friends are lower level lol). I figured if I dropped down to M2 during the chest, no big deal. Again to my surprise, I win 4/6 without skipping often. No more gems spent!! (Don’t tell sp!! )

Anyway - I’m a believer now

@nynaevelan said in Trophies - No bug:

@gemspender said in Trophies - No bug:

@jarozeb said in Trophies - No bug:

@gemspender said in Trophies - No bug:

i really think you've basically nailed a better matching criteria.

to recap: Arena rules for better matching purposes can incorporate EMPOWERMENT rules.

Ex: Only 1-star = arena 1; 1-star to 3-stars = arena 2.

I am not convinced yet. It is not all about stars.
What about levels?
What about rarity?

explain more, maybe I am missing something on the topic?

This is what I think are components in arena matching:

• SP to take into consideration the dragons owned by a player
  ex of rules to be developed by SP: if a player has more than 10 - 5 stars Legends put in bracket A (A being the cumulative rules of other factors/components)

• Arena based on rarity so that we get to use our non-legend dragons
  Ex 1: as is: Masters Arena can be defined as a Dragon Master is ready for any battle rule scenario. So, if SP were to suddenly required C, R, VR combination only arena - we should be able to do it.
  Ex 2: Create a combination of empowerment based rules with a rarity rule encouraging diversity in fighting. And allowing that if a super player (all those top alliances with 5-star H, Mythical and Titans/Vampires can be segregated into a higher challenge Arena fighting rules. (it will serve them right for being so good at spending money that they need to spend more to kill each other).

Conclusion or Summary: By allowing rarities and/or empower rules, and segregation of dragon ownership capacity (note below why), it allows that we get to use other dragons and it is no longer just those super high dragons (H, Cat 10).
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The dragon ownership rule is important (i think) because SP can create an algorithm that will allow lower level players to compete and earn chest 6, thereby ensuring the ecosystem (they get rewards, enjoy DC more, play more, spend more in smaller nuggets - yes, but higher than before).

PS: it means that if a player does not meet empower rules, that player will be matched with no empowerment players - there is an impact to this that SP will try to prevent, but I am sure they can think how to prevent this from occuring.