Just noticed today the health of my kratus and horai are higher than yesterday. My kratus (level 69) health today is over 200k. I just leveled my abyss to level 69 and it has less health than kratus, under 200k.... I thought cat 5 has a higher health.

Maybe they are making adjustments. Have you changed the empowerment on either? Are either empowered? Based on the link our CM posted today regarding changes to the empowerment coming up I wonder if this is a result of that.

@nynaevelan both kratus and abyss 5 stars. Just leveled abyss today to 69, but i know that abyss from previous match ups that abyss should have a higher life than kratus. Horai has been 4 stars level 60 for a while and had about 137k life, now it’s over 150k i think.

What link are you referring to regarding empowerment?

FYI... i just checked my 3 star heroics, they changed the empowerment stats to 25% instead of 20%. Legends still at 38% ..... so only change i see are the dragon category base stats it seems. If it was an empowerment change, the percentage for legends would have changed.

@michael-lon this one

@nynaevelan i can see they increased the percentage increase on commons and heroics. Epics look about the same. Rares and VR idk cause i never empower them. Legends, no change....

@michael-lon How do you keep track of any of that? I am a terrible DM, I never look at any of that....

@nynaevelan i think i remember heroics and legends well cause i think of match ups. Just click the “i” on the health/attack section. I’ve always held the opinion that mythics 5 star empowered are too good even when compared to 5 star heroics..... increasing heroics to 25% per star might level that now.

My 3 star heroics used to be 60% boost. Now it’s 75%. So at 5 stars, it will be 125 instead of 100 vs the 191% boosts of legends. Given that heroics have a vastly high base stats to legends, that extra 25% is huge.

If i can get more trading essences, a five star High scorchwing might be possible for me.

I just checked an old website with the old values, it seems some rarities got changed and increased a little bit for the stars.

Common: 7% to 12%
Rare: 8% to 12%
Very Rare: 13% (No changes)
Epic: 14% to 17%
Legendary: 38% (No changes)
Heroic: 20% to 25%¨

Now, legendaries may indeed have been increased in the base stats. My guild mates are reporting that their dragons seem to have more HP than before as well.

@leafar-rop shame that cat 5 got shafted just when i got him to level 69

I don’t think base stats of mythics have changed cause i think my very old raider dragon level 35 is still around 42k.... unless i misremembered his base stats.... seems to be primarily cat 9 dragons.... so all those kratus’ just got a lot stronger

@michael-lon I forgot to specify, yeah you're write. Not sure if category 5 got changes too.

However I couldn't notice changes on my 2 legendaries with 3 stars, one category 5 and the other category 9, but I may be wrong about that and just haven't paying attention to their HP before.

@leafar-rop i just checked a level 20 unranked cat 5 and cat 9. Forge and gold dragons. Cat 9 Gold has about 7-8 percent more health than cat 5 forge.

Current mythic (cat 10) health is now 10% more compared to cat 9 legends. I think it used to be double than that cause i remember mythics having stats similar to a one star cat 9.

Cat 5 looks nerfed.

@michael-lon cat 5 had a little bit more HP and less ATK than cat 9.
So, they either nerfed cat 5 or left as it was and buffed cat 9, or both

These are the old values:

Category 1: 3200 ATK, 8000 HP
Category 2: 3600 ATK, 9000 HP
Category 3: 4000 ATK, 10000 HP
Category 4: 4800 ATK, 12000 HP
Category 5: 5600 ATK, 14000 HP
Category 6: 5000 ATK, 9000 HP
Category 7: 4500 ATK, 13500 HP
Category 8: 3000 ATK, 18000 HP
Category 9: 6000 ATK, 13600 HP
Category 10: 9000 ATK, 24000 HP

I don't have screenshots of my dragons from yesterday to compare for proof they haven't tweaked cat 5, but they've definitely increased health for cat 9.

Both level 60 (so 4 star)
Boulder stats 151767 / 34511
Apocalypse stats 141653 / 32209

so Boulder (and most other non breedable Ls) is now higher in health and attack.

I'm assuming this is to reduce the worth of the sanctuary legends, and encourage spending on everything else. With the side effect of Kratus becoming even more ubiquitous and necessary.

My 1 star A+ kratus was at 35,964 yesterday now it's 39,664, all my level 30 A+ no star legends were 28,660, now 31,609, I don't know what cat they are but these are feral, icenodon and burbi

I've found some old screenshots to compare.

My apocalypse didn't change at all, is a category 5, HP and ATK still the same.

Mythics I have no old screenshots to compare, unfortunately

Now, my Storm Bringer dragon, has same ATK as before but with increased health, she is a category 9

BEFORE:

AFTER:

Ah, so cat 9 just got fat thus making cat 5 inconsequential by comparison.... still....

I guess that makes making horai more appealing to get to 5 stars since she’ s cat 9.... just need a few more essences , food, and joker orbs and she will complete my team 69 batallion

@leafar-rop That list you have is very old. These were the numbers last week:Dragons Categories: Category 1: 3.200 DMG - 8.000 HP
Category 2: 3.600 DMG - 9.000 HP
Category 3: 4.000 DMG - 10.000 HP
Category 4: 4.800 DMG - 12.000 HP
Category 5: 5.600 DMG - 14.000 HP
Category 6: 5.000 DMG - 9.000 HP
Category 7: 4.500 DMG - 13.500 HP
Category 8: 3.000 DMG - 18.000 HP
Category 9: 6.000 DMG - 13.600 HP
Category 10: 7.300 DMG - 16.500 HP
Category 11: 9.000 DMG - 24.000 HP

If my numbers do not match these numbers how do I figure out if they are boosted or not? By how much? Should the dragons be adult level to match these numbers? This is why I do not bother looking at these, it is just too confusing trying to figure this out.

Is there a list of dragons sorted by category? I find it extremely confusing trying to figure out which category a dragon belongs to, especially after it has been levelled, trained or empowered. Can someone tag me or link it? Or is there a dead simple rule of thumb?

@susan-mclaughlin I would love to know that too, because I just know about categories because some databases e facebook's devoted teams say they are. I'm not sure how they classify that.

However, I do have a few dragons lvl 1 to test those values. I'll edit here if I find anything relevant.

@bettina-löffler said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

@leafar-rop That list you have is very old. These were the numbers last week:Dragons Categories: Category 1: 3.200 DMG - 8.000 HP
Category 2: 3.600 DMG - 9.000 HP
Category 3: 4.000 DMG - 10.000 HP
Category 4: 4.800 DMG - 12.000 HP
Category 5: 5.600 DMG - 14.000 HP
Category 6: 5.000 DMG - 9.000 HP
Category 7: 4.500 DMG - 13.500 HP
Category 8: 3.000 DMG - 18.000 HP
Category 9: 6.000 DMG - 13.600 HP
Category 10: 7.300 DMG - 16.500 HP
Category 11: 9.000 DMG - 24.000 HP

Dear @Bettina-Löffler , so your posted statistics were the most valid information but as of last week, 2020.WK2 of July.

Therefore, (please confirm) these stats does not reflect the boosted/changes that the original poster of this thread is alluding/discussing, right?

If yes, will someone in Forum (like yourself or SP) give us the updated information?

@gemspender lol It took us years to find out stats for cat 10. So I think you should give us some time.

@bettina-löffler hi off course. Thank you for acknowledging

@bettina-löffler said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

@gemspender lol It took us years to find out stats for cat 10. So I think you should give us some time.

Hmmmm.... while I find it fascinating, I’m sure some find it frustrating, and I know most find it hard to understand -

Why in the world does it take the mods, of the official game forums, YEARS to know simple game information like that?

I’m NOT trying to be difficult honestly! I’d really like to understand

@amanda-wallace said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

Why in the world does it take the mods, of the official game forums, YEARS to know simple game information like that?

Because they didnt give us that informations. It is that simple. lol

@amanda-wallace said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

@bettina-löffler said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

@gemspender lol It took us years to find out stats for cat 10. So I think you should give us some time.

Hmmmm.... while I find it fascinating, I’m sure some find it frustrating, and I know most find it hard to understand -

Why in the world does it take the mods, of the official game forums, YEARS to know simple game information like that?

I’m NOT trying to be difficult honestly! I’d really like to understand

First because mods are not given every nuance of the game by SP or anyone else. Second this information pre dates us being mods. And third just because we are mods does not mean we are sitting around writing manuals of every single feature of the game. Nor is SP giving us the inside scoop on every mechanic of the game. We are players who play the game, and volunteer our time and effort to the boards. You all are welcome to compile and share info about the game. Just like the previous battle stats were compiled and tested by other players so too will the changes that are coming soon. And when @Bettina-Löffler says it takes years she is kindly passing on info from her fb group dedicated to the game which consists of thousands of players.

I don't think that devs giving this information would be game-breaking in any form. It's kinda odd to keep that in the dark. I think the same about timing from heroic races and progressive islands, I see many games who gives that info even inside the game.
And it's not something you'll be kept in the dark since we can get that info from data-mining, like many facebook groups do.

On my opinion that would really be beneficial for the game, because is less frustrating for new players who doesn't understand that hidden mechanic and it's actually just a "quality of life" feature for old players, not really an advantage.

@nynaevelan said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

@amanda-wallace said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

@bettina-löffler said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

@gemspender lol It took us years to find out stats for cat 10. So I think you should give us some time.

Hmmmm.... while I find it fascinating, I’m sure some find it frustrating, and I know most find it hard to understand -

Why in the world does it take the mods, of the official game forums, YEARS to know simple game information like that?

I’m NOT trying to be difficult honestly! I’d really like to understand

First because mods are not given every nuance of the game by SP or anyone else. Second this information pre dates us being mods. And third just because we are mods does not mean we are sitting around writing manuals of every single feature of the game. Nor is SP giving us the inside scoop on every mechanic of the game. We are players who play the game, and volunteer our time and effort to the boards. You all are welcome to compile and share info about the game. Just like the previous battle stats were compiled and tested by other players so too will the changes that are coming soon. And when @Bettina-Löffler says it takes years she is kindly passing on info from her fb group dedicated to the game which consists of thousands of players.

/sigh ... yes, I already understand the different dc communities and where the majority of the game information does come from. And I know the mods here are volunteers who love and play the game, as I do.

However, as a pretty "hard core gamer" for over 40 years (that has found herself quite obsessed with dragon city) I am continually astonished by the lack of information about this game that is (or is not) provided by the developers. And yes, I even speak of other "mobile" games.

Also, I am most assuredly NOT speaking of "every nuance of the game", nor do I wish for or expect "game manuals" to be compiled by the mods to detail "every single feature of the game". SP not giving the mods the "inside scoop of every mechanic of the game" is getting close to what I’m talking about, but even that is a little far fetched.

I am speaking of SOCIAL POINT and their lack of basic game information (and changes to the game) reaching the public. And their mods, apparently. To me, and I promise you it is not just me, this is a crazy way to run a game and a business.

Also I will say again, I’m not trying to be difficult, and I am NOT blaming you guys, mods, here. Despite the fact you get very defensive about these questions, I will continue to ask them. SP needs to be held accountable to a higher standard than the VERY low one they have set for themselves.

We would ALL enjoy the game more if that happened.

I’m still just trying to get the clearest picture possible of how much sp communicates with you guys. And so far I’m being told basically "not at all". Ok then. Thanks for the response Nynaevelan

This topic has veered off course and taken a turn that it should not have. For those wishing to discuss the original topic, please feel free to. To those who have questions and concerns that only SP can answer, then please send in a ticket to Customer support via the in game system.

Well, with this new interface update we can see a little easier which category each dragon belongs, cauz it shows now the potencial max health and atk a dragon can reach. I still would prefer to have clearly saying "Category 9" for example, but considering the history of not sharing information from SP, I would say that we have a small victory here

Apologies for a long response.

The only change that occurred so far was that the cat 9 dragons received a 10% health boost that is outside of the scope of of the empowerment changes. They made mention on the discord server that this was a change to legendaries that would have them appear as stronger than epics, but this is very incorrect as not all legendaries are cat 9. Previously cat 5 had a 3% more health and 7% less power than a cat 9 dragon when comparing level 20 numbers for unempowered and unranked dragons. Now cat 5 dragons have 7% less health and 7% less power. No other category changed as I compared the current stats to screenshots I took several months ago.

As for the chart that is thrown around:
Category 1: 3.200 DMG - 8.000 HP
Category 2: 3.600 DMG - 9.000 HP
Category 3: 4.000 DMG - 10.000 HP
Category 4: 4.800 DMG - 12.000 HP
Category 5: 5.600 DMG - 14.000 HP
Category 6: 5.000 DMG - 9.000 HP
Category 7: 4.500 DMG - 13.500 HP
Category 8: 3.000 DMG - 18.000 HP
Category 9: 6.000 DMG - 13.600 HP
Category 10: 7.300 DMG - 16.500 HP
Category 11: 9.000 DMG - 24.000 HP

This is both correct and incorrect at the same time. The part that you get correct is the scaling between categories. When you do a check of the power and health scaling from one category to the next using both in-game data (again level 20, no stars and no rank) and the numbers that are provided you get the same ratio. What is incorrect about this is the damage-to-health ratio is far too high.

Disclaimer – I am not using the updated cat 9 health numbers as the numbers would not correspond to the data Bettina provided.

In-game vs Stated - (game)/(forum)

Category 1: (1272 DMG – 6777 HP)/(3200 DMG - 8000 HP)
Category 2: (1431 DMG – 7623 HP)/(3600 DMG - 9000 HP)
Category 3: (1591 DMG – 8468 HP)/(4000 DMG - 10000 HP)
Category 4: (1909 DMG – 10160 HP)/(4800 DMG - 12000 HP)
Category 5: (2227 DMG – 11852 HP)/(5600 DMG - 14000 HP)
Category 6: (1988 DMG – 7623 HP)/(5000 DMG - 9000 HP)
Category 7: (1789 DMG – 11429 HP)/(4500 DMG - 13500 HP)
Category 8: (1193 DMG – 15236 HP)/(3000 DMG - 18000 HP)
Category 9: (2386 DMG – 11514 HP)/(6000 DMG - 13600 HP)
Category 10: (2903 DMG – 13967 HP)/(7300 DMG - 16500 HP)
Category 11: (3579 DMG – 20311 HP)/(9000 DMG - 24000 HP)

With this we can check the ratios of both the damage-to-health of game vs forum as well as the damage and health ratio between categories of both to check for consistency.

First: Damage-to-Health

Category 1: game - 0.1877 / forum – 0.4 (forum is 2.131 times higher)
Category 2: game – 0.1877 / forum – 0.4 (forum is 2.131 times higher)
Category 3: game – 0.1879 / forum – 0.4 (forum is 2.129 times higher)
Category 4: game – 0.1878 / forum – 0.4 (forum is 2.129 times higher)
Category 5: game – 0.1879 / forum – 0.4 (forum is 2.129 times higher)
Category 6: game – 0.2608 / forum – 0.5556 (forum is 2.13 times higher)
Category 7: game – 0.1565 / forum – 0.3333 (forum is 2.129 times higher)
Category 8: game – 0.0783 / forum – 0.1667 (forum is 2.129 times higher)
Category 9: game – 0.2072 / forum – 0.4412 (forum is 2.129 times higher)
Category 10: game – 0.2078 / forum – 0.4424 (forum is 2.129 times higher)
Category 11: game – 0.1762 / forum – 0.375 (forum is 2.128 times higher)

As can be seen, the forum numbers provided here have power as 2.13 times higher than needed to be consistent with in-game data.

Power/Health between categories: Better done with the following screenshots as the charts would be too tedious to type out here. As you will see the ratio between each category is consistent.

In-game stats:

Damage:

Health:

tl:dr – Category 9 dragons had their health/HP increased by 10 percent and the remaining categories were not touched. The table of stats for the various categories is consistent from one category to the next, but the damage numbers are 2.13 times too large to be consistent with in-game numbers.

@apod

Thank you SO much for that information!!!

wait, hold the phone... what's all of this? it might explain all the seemingly irrational numbers I've been getting when trying to derive my formula. I'm going to have to study this a bit. Apod and I have been talking a lot about these numbers trying to figure them out.

@bill-andrew-hyman said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

wait, hold the phone... what's all of this? it might explain all the seemingly irrational numbers I've been getting when trying to derive my formula. I'm going to have to study this a bit. Apod and I have been talking a lot about these numbers trying to figure them out.

Well you figure it out and break it down into simpler info because I think my brain exploded....

To add response to other questions about Category, it can be found out a couple of ways: If you have a brand new freshly hatched dragon, look at his master points in his description. Whatever that number is, is his category.

Now, if you don't have a brand new dragon, then you are screwed, unless you are willing to reverse work the formula for Master Points, and divide out all factors except for his category. Here's how you do that:

MP Formula: Up to 4 factors.
Factors include:

1. Feeding level (1-70)
2. Dragon HP category (1-11)
3. Empowerment level:
   (a) If 0 stars, then this factor will not be used.
   (b) If 1 star, then this factor will be 3.
   (c) If 2 stars, then this factor will be 3.5.
   (d) If 3 stars, then this factor will be 5.
   (e) If 4 stars, then this factor will be 7.
   (f) If 5 stars, then this factor will be 9.
4. Uniqueness:
   (a) If your strongest dragon of a species has no empowerment, then his uniqueness factor shall be 1.3 or expressed as the fraction 13/10.
   (b) If your strongest dragon of a species has 1 star, then his uniqueness factor shall be 1.1 or expressed as the fraction 11/10.
   (c) If your strongest dragon of a species has 2 stars, then his uniqueness factor shall be 1.0857142 repeating starting from 8, or expressed as the fraction 38/35.
   (d) If your strongest dragon of a species has 3 stars, then his uniqueness factor shall be 1.06, or expressed as the fraction 53/50.
   (e) If your strongest dragon of a species has 4 stars, then his uniqueness factor shall be 1.0428571 repeating starting from 4, or expressed as the fraction 73/70.
   (f) If your strongest dragon of a species has 5 stars, then his uniqueness factor shall be 1.0333 repeating from 3, or expressed as the fraction 31/30.

Remember that uniqueness will only be applied to one dragon of any species, but that uniqueness is also contingent on his empowerment level. Your strongest dragon is governed by his feeding level, mechanically speaking. So if you have a 1-star fed to level 25, and a 2-star fed to level 20, since 25>20, the 1-star will take unique precedence. But if you feed the 2-star to or beyond that of the 1-star, then uniqueness bonus will shift by debiting the appropriate value from the 1-star, and crediting to the 2-star.
At least 2 factors will be used in every application, but usually at least 3, and at most 4. If your dragon is not empowered and it is also a duplicate and not the strongest, then only factors 1 and 2 will be used.

Examples and exercises:
Your dragon is fed to level 25, has an HP category of 5, has 2 stars of empowerment, and is your strongest dragon of that species. This will use all 4 factors. The first two are easy - 25x5. Then you will reference factor 3c (3.5) and 4c (38/35) to get your third and fourth factors. So you have 25, 5, 3.5, and 38/35. Multiply all 4 factors together to get your predicted result - 475? Now check it in game.

Your dragon is fed to level 20, has an HP category of 9, has 1 star of empowerment, but he is not your strongest dragon of that species as you have another one fed higher than level 20. Simple. Uniqueness will not apply, so it's just the first three factors. Reference factor 3b (3), such that you know your factors must be 20, 9, and 3. Multiply them to get your predicted result - 540?

Your dragon is fed to level 22, has an HP category of 2, has no stars, but he is your strongest. Three factors will apply here. Reference factor 4a (1.3) such that you know your three factors must be 22, 2, and 1.3. Multiply them to get your predicted result - 57.2? Round down to 57.

Note: I think that all decimals are truncated and therefore rounded down to the nearest whole number, such that 99.8=99, and not 100, but this needs further confirmation as I have no examples of this in my game. Any discrepancy here however will be very minor.

Now, let's say you have a dragon and want to know his category, but have large master point number for it. Here's what you do:

Total MP, divided by the feeding level, divided by the empowerment factor, divided by the uniqueness (if any). You might not even need to do uniqueness at all, and be close enough to your result to round.

There are also online resources like dragon city guide .net which tell you the category of all dragons. I have also made an Excel database of all dragons, and one of their categories is Category. It's a bear to maintain, and I have to add a few new dragons to it, but it is basically there.

@bill-andrew-hyman said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

To add response to other questions about Category, it can be found out a couple of ways: If you have a brand new freshly hatched dragon, look at his master points in his description. Whatever that number is, is his category.

I do not think this is accurate, I had a brand new dragon and it's master points were 13. I can't show a screen shot because I have since fed him up. Sorry but the formula posted by Arranos works for me, as long as you round to a whole number. HERE is the formula I was referring to. Your explanation was long and confusing....sorry.

Nyna, with all due respect, if you say it's confusing for you, then there is no possible way that you have justification to say it's not accurate, is there? That's like reading a math book for the very first time without any experience or practice, say it's confusing, and then claim that the answer they give you is wrong. A bit rude too. I know that you are required to approach posts like this with a healthy dose of skepticism, but this is not the way to do it.

Elusive:
Feeding level: 1
Category: 9
Empowerment: none = 1.
Unique bonus: yes = 1.3.
9x1x1x1.3 = 11.7. Remove the decimal, and round down to 11. This is accurate.

High Fenrir:
Feeding level: 1
Category: 11
Empowerment: none = 1
Unique? Yes = 1.3.
11x1.3 = 14.3. Remove the decimal, you're left with 14. Does it match? Yes.

I am a bit of a math wizard. I can assure you with deadly accuracy that it is in fact perfect for every dragon. So don't downplay it if you don't understand it and you don't check it, because I take EXTREME pride in my work. But thanks anyway.

@bill-andrew-hyman said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

Nyna, with all due respect, if you say it's confusing for you, then there is no possible way that you have justification to say it's not accurate, is it?

Elusive:
Feeding level: 1
Category: 9
Empowerment: none = 1.
Unique bonus: yes = 1.3.
9x1x1x1.3 = 11.7. Remove the decimal, and round down to 11. This is accurate.

High Fenrir:
Feeding level: 1
Category: 11
Empowerment: none = 1
Unique? Yes = 1.3.
11x1.3 = 14.3. Remove the decimal, you're left with 14. Does it match? Yes.

I am a bit of a math wizard. I can assure you with deadly accuracy that it is in fact perfect for every dragon. So don't downplay it if you don't understand it and you don't check it, because I take EXTREME pride in my work. But thanks anyway.

Yeah but your first sentence of your statement said look at the master points and that is the category of a level 1 dragon. Which in fact it is not. The explanation and the formula would be needed to calculated on all dragons regardless of their level to determine their category. As far as the explanation you gave a fully lengthy explanation but even knowing what the formula is it was still confusing during your explanation. Now this one with the examples....that I understand. All I am saying is you got very technical, perhaps an example might have helped to fully understand it. And I too keep track of mine in an Excel...with the cat formula in it to calc the mp and category for me... I was hoping to do the same with attack or damage info but you already informed me that there are too many variables for that to be doable.

But you forgot to divide his uniqueness out, which perhaps I forgot to explain. So what's 14 divided by 1.3? roughly 11, right? And it is the absolute reverse operation of the example I gave, is it not? Which I actually did explain towards the bottom of my first explanation, which you probably didn't get to. I needed to make sure you understood the whole formula forwards before trying it backwards doing division. I know there's a decimal, but it does work better in situations where the dragon is built up a little bit. Usually without any decimals at all.

Yeah.
I'm just looking for a list or simple way of knowing what category. I don't want to attempt mathematical gymnastics to figure this out.
Well done to you few who are able for this.
I'm frankly shocked that some player somewhere along the way hasn't made and shared such a list already, maybe even kept it updated.
I always thought that you could know a category by looking at the MP of a brand new level 1 dragon. Did I read right that this is not true?

@susan-mclaughlin said in Did they alter cat 9 and cat 5 dragons?:

Yeah.
I'm just looking for a list or simple way of knowing what category. I don't want to attempt mathematical gymnastics to figure this out.
Well done to you few who are able for this.
I'm frankly shocked that some player somewhere along the way hasn't made and shared such a list already, maybe even kept it updated.
I always thought that you could know a category by looking at the MP of a brand new level 1 dragon. Did I read right that this is not true?

That was the old way, since they added empowering it became that convoluted formula.

Susan, you can still do that IF the dragon is a duplicate. But if unique, then you have to divide by 1.3 and round up. It is still true. The formula works even better for dragons that have been fed.

As far as the formula goes, don’t be concerned by stating just what you would do. You are just you. I provided the formula. If you want to use it, then use it. If you don’t, then just let it be for someone else. Perhaps someone can use it, even if not you. I did my best to explain it.