What makes a good game changer for you?

For me, there should be a new monster with the highest speed and strength in the entire game. Possibly high stamina moves, but other than that, it is a monster that everybody would buy.

If you want to create a real game changer have a purpose that serves, improves, helps, and inspires. Fix the things that are broken first then start introducing major changes.

what is your definition of a game changer?

@Clackers Autoplay is a game changer for me. It allows me to get through the dungeons without the game consuming so much of my life.

We need a monster that is immune to stamina devour.

Also, there needs to be more variation on stamina levels.

Why is every legendary 140?

Some monsters should have base stamina of 200+, some with the level of a Rare. It would spice things up somewhat.

First off, just no to immune to stanima devourers, Immunity to a skill ? that would be rude and inconsiderate to all the players who invested into Gen Thetys, and now once more if your plan would work, SP would introduce a P2W monster that direct counters and ONLY counters a good free monster who isn't broken like VoltiaK was. I really hope this wasn't just another topic to argue for a thetys nerf...

Also, a game changer would just be a monster that outclasses the rest in its element, making a water game changers is a lost cause, with Caven, Caill, and Thetys running amok, same with Dark, who have Barbie and Nishants pet as mascots. IMO the whole new monsters thing needs to stop, pumping out multiple new monsters almost every few weeks isn't what we want, we want the PvP changes(shields) (items) we want a new game mode, give us a permanent survival dungeon, but it just goes on and on. And PLEASE make more challenging adven bosses, or remove equalizer, that skill is a cheese and a stupid one at that. And add diversity to the legends and monsters in general, give a monster low hp ? than give it lots of speed or attack, dont just give "ok" stats to every legend you make. I should think that Gen Nishant with less hp than a ledovech at the same lvl should have 3,600+ base attack or skills like barbatos. And make some elements of the game more relevant ( someone on this forum suggest a limit to the amount of recharges for stamina, good idea) make attuned monsters all super attuned that way it does something. And to end the rant, the most foolish thing I found in this game, is that an element is weak against the same element, water weak v water, fire weak v fire, but it shouldn't be like that, fire should do 50% less to water, water do 50% less to thunder, etc. thats a game changer.

A game changer I would like to see is a fix to the turn skip that occurs when a monster dies due to DoT damage of suicide and the monster who's turn is next loses it.

A monster that is a game changer would be a monster that outclasses everything, that dominates the game, that is used over any other monster in the specific category, like VoltaiK and Zyla. Or maybe, a monster that can be everything; an attacker, a supporter, an immobilizer, a healer, a defender, a tanker and a debuffer.

@San would be a game changer, I spend lots of thinking to plan out the DoT kill turn skip to play to my advantage, taking it out would be game changing to say the least...

@San said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

A game changer I would like to see is a fix to the turn skip that occurs when a monster dies due to DoT damage of suicide and the monster who's turn is next loses it.

Why would you want to take away an element in the game that increases the need for strategical thinking? Even if this turn skipping most likely was introduced unintentional, I very much welcome it.

@Clackers said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

We need a monster that is immune to stamina devour.

Also, there needs to be more variation on stamina levels.

Why is every legendary 140?

They already have that. Monsters that have the trait 'energized' have 20% more stamina. You probably haven't noticed because the trait sucks.

Any monster where you would be allowed to pick skills from any other monster.

Everyone here knows that there is a difference between game breaker and game changer, right ? Thetys came before cavenfish, making Caven a game changer, where, VoltiaK and timerion game breakers. Zyla a changer because of her trait and voltiaK playstyle. There is a big difference.

Thetys ruins this game and I hope it gets nerfed so hard the only use for her is 3 gold runes!

@testcyp said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

Thetys ruins this game and I hope it gets nerfed so hard the only use for her is 3 gold runes!

And you think this will be fair to players who bought \ ranked her ?

@Haka-Taka no one bought her, she was free and so were all the ranks through war coins. You got her just from playing the game as you normally would. And it's as fair as letting people who happened to rank her super cheap stomp on everyone for the next year or so just because of an arbitrary price increase.

Thetys needs to be nerfed, and have stamina devourers either replaced with a new move, or maybe make it a single devourer rather than AOE.

That way, everybody will be happy.

@Haka-Taka
I agree 100% and swore I'd never use her because that's all everyone has is her at level 130 with 3 Xspeeds, and as soon as "Stamina Devours " hits 95% chance you lose... Her Nemesis was like a gift I wish I could have afforded to max him out...!!

There is no point in nerfing Thetys or every other monster that was released. Because many players spent a gd time of their lives to buy her, to rank her up, to equip good runes on her, and if SP nerfs her, the players will be so upset that they will quit playing because of such unfairness with them, and that is spending a good time of their lives for nothing. Do you want that? Do you want to spend a good time of your life for nothing? If SP realized that Thetys was too powerful, they would nerf her before she was released. Also, there is another thing in this game called strategy. It´s very simple; just create a strategy to deny Thetys before she uses Stamina devourers, like using a faster monster, and the chances of Thetys using Stamina Devourers is too low, so I don´t see any problem. You just have to know how to play, not to mention that SP created strategies and monsters to counter Thetys, like the Hydratilas and the items, and you can also rank Nishant´s Pet, sinc he is faster and can possess her. Same thing with VoltaiK and Zyla, they are OP, but they are slow, so your denier can easily deny them, and you can make your own attacker faster than them to kill them in one hit. It´s all about strategy.

@testcyp said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

@Haka-Taka no one bought her, she was free and so were all the ranks through war coins. You got her just from playing the game as you normally would. And it's as fair as letting people who happened to rank her super cheap stomp on everyone for the next year or so just because of an arbitrary price increase.

What a strange logic ! so what about gems that free players saves for weeks or months so they can buy a good monster , Is it also Ok to nerf those monsters later as free players got those gems free

So only vip and nemesis which bought for real money should be safe from nerf ?

@Clackers said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

Thetys needs to be nerfed, and have stamina devourers either replaced with a new move, or maybe make it a single devourer rather than AOE.

That way, everybody will be happy.

I think not everybody will be happy with that ! at least me

Part of thetys dominance is she is the only good option for free players to rank - the other option is lord of atlantis -- all this is due to Lab curse

Before lab i never used thetys , she was a gold cow at level 50 with gold rune .. i was more than happy with my cavenfish which i worked hard to get from the progressive event , also i bought blob but didn't use him much as we had the lab shortly after that .

@Haka-Taka said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

@Clackers said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

Thetys needs to be nerfed, and have stamina devourers either replaced with a new move, or maybe make it a single devourer rather than AOE.

That way, everybody will be happy.

I think not everybody will be happy with that ! at least me

Part of thetys dominance is she is the only good option for free players to rank - the other option is lord of atlantis -- all this is due to Lab curse

Before lab i never used thetys , she was a gold cow at level 50 with gold rune .. i was more than happy with my cavenfish which i worked hard to get from the progressive event , also i bought blob but didn't use him much as we had the lab shortly after that .

Exactly, which is why SP would never nerf her, if they did I would stop playing the game, no lie. She is my highest ranked monster, and lets face it, everyone begging for a thetys nerf, doesn't have her... at least not her ranked. Mine isn't fully ranked and I dont want her nerfed because she is the sole reason I can survive in pvp Gold I, and progress through it no less.
@Clackers , This game has been out for many many years, team wars too, Giving majority of the playes base a chance to obtain and rank her, nerfing her would anger majority of the player base, not make the whole player base happy... not sure where you got that from.

Any topic that's started, ends with "nerf Thetys"!...you know, team wars' shop monsters are only "semi free"...players spend gems on runes, swapping runes, buying monsters, activating Mjolnir, speeding up, be it hatching, extracting, ranking etc...it's not for anyone else to judge as to whether a monster was obtained for free or otherwise...it sounds very much like sour grapes...war coins are earned by making sure you do all attacks as best as you can, do back to back wars & always having your team mates' backs (vice versa, of course)...my level 130 Thetys didn't drop into my lap overnight, but instead took me close to a year to fully rank her! What do you think I did before Thetys even got to level 115..?! Well, I didn't "whinge", but instead thought to myself, "only a 20% chance of SD hitting my team, what can her other skills do to me...nothing much"...always went 2nd, & sometimes I would get lucky, & win 3 coins, most times 2 coins & sometimes I lost...big deal. I still will go 2nd on attacks, as long as I've runed up appropriately to take on SD if it happened...like I've said in another post, ML is a game of patience & perseverance, don't expect instant miracles, many of us have been diligently ranking up team wars' shop & other monsters consistently...we've got nothing instantly, thank you very much! If you don't like Thetys, don't use her...just stop hankering for a nerf on her. I will repeat myself, ML is a game of patience & perseverance...nothing else will help you, unless you're willing to spend copious amounts of money, simple as that

@Clackers Another non-monster idea, but not losing food in the arena is a game changer. I would NEVER sit on food, I would use ALL my food as fast possible. Now with no loss in arena, I am sitting on 465K food to use the next time one of everyone contributes feeding tasks in the current race.

@PredakingX that's a perfect reason to nerf her. If the only reason you can pvp, or do dungeons then that monster should be nerfed. And by nerf I mean fix Stam Devourer. The move should be 90 hit like all other AOE moves. And Hardened, Tough, Bulwark should reduce chance for drain just like it does for all other stam drain moves.

@testcyp But thats not true, Shes not the only reason I can do dungeons by any means, I have a very powerful roster of monsters, ranked Atum, Alces, Shallinar all included, Without shallinar I wouldn't be able to do PvP in Gold I and push either, should she be nerfed ? just because she took Greedy's spot as nuker ? and I will save everyone some trouble by repeating " Stamina drain is not a status effect, therefore Tough, Artifact, Bulwark, and hardened do absolutely nothing" If anyone wants to counter thetys use a fast blob or galante or anyone with a 100% stamina drain, boom, don't complain, her nerf won't happen, it just won't.

On a different note, a gamechanger might be a new artifact monster, seeing as all the bodygaurds are literal trash, I say SP pick up where they started with timerion, make more artifact monsters, that are support-y monsters but dont just take timerion and give him a new element. She is not as oppresive as people make her out to be, if she was, Cavenfish wouldn't have(wouldn't be) one of the most used monsters for PvP defense... her stats aren't even godly, its just one skill that pisses people off, I said it once and I'll say it again, the only people who want a thetys stamina devourers nerf, are the people without a ranked thetys.

Another gamechang-ing thing that Sp could do, is undo and put back the bug where 50% freeze/ stun/etc skills could surpass immunities to it, that would surely change things up, even if there was only a 50% chance, it would be to freeze a freeze immune monster !

@testcyp said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

@PredakingX that's a perfect reason to nerf her. If the only reason you can pvp, or do dungeons then that monster should be nerfed. And by nerf I mean fix Stam Devourer. The move should be 90 hit like all other AOE moves. And Hardened, Tough, Bulwark should reduce chance for drain just like it does for all other stam drain moves.

Just an off topic interjection to note that not all AoE moves are 90%. Galante's AoE blind is 100%; ROFL's AoE burn is 95%. Probably others too, but those are what immediately come to mind.

@C0ntr1v3d said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

@testcyp said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

@PredakingX that's a perfect reason to nerf her. If the only reason you can pvp, or do dungeons then that monster should be nerfed. And by nerf I mean fix Stam Devourer. The move should be 90 hit like all other AOE moves. And Hardened, Tough, Bulwark should reduce chance for drain just like it does for all other stam drain moves.

Just an off topic interjection to note that not all AoE moves are 90%. Galante's AoE blind is 100%; ROFL's AoE burn is 95%. Probably others too, but those are what immediately come to mind.

Haha, and now that you've ID'd them I'm sure Carlos is adding it to his list of things to fix

I wouldn't mind varying degrees of accuracy even within single/AOE types but think the accuracy should fit with the type of skill. As Carlos is trying to balance with Burotgor, stronger skills would be lower accuracy.

"Game changer"
that would be introducing new, or reworking existing, mechanic(s) aimed at shifting game from blatant unadulterated pay-to-win to one that'd favour knowledge-planning-exectution sequence (you may have heard it being referred to as "skill").
Buffing/nerfing/introducing new monsters does nothing to change game, most it can do is shift the meta.

But question is about single monster... I'd say something actually usable other than laomu being added to permanent breeding tables. That would be an actual gamechanger.

@Goldfield said in What type of Monster would be your idea of a "Game Changer"?:

But question is about single monster... I'd say something actually usable other than laomu being added to permanent breeding tables. That would be an actual gamechanger.

Even though I admit that as a stand alone monster Laomu outshines the other breedables, you do not think that Arch Knight, Darkzgul, Goldfield, Ultrabot, Vadamagma and Lord of the Atlantis are usable?

@Ekto-Gamat
Ofc they are usable. I'm in porcess of breeding darkzguls myself atm.
But only reason why they are considered as such, is them being being breedable and thus ranking them up is attainable goal.

@Goldfield Yeah I always wondered why THose old legends never got perma buffed stats... make it worthwhile to use them before 130.