I am still being defeated by people with WAY lower level runes , monsters and sometimes they don't have even deniers.
This is only possible because they can still use items in pvp unlike many people like me.
We updated the version and this is the reward....
Fix this surrealistic situation asap please

Even worse it was said here that if you fight on FB your enemy monster will be rune-less

Multiplayer should just be disabled on Facebook because it has always been super broken there.

@MarshallTheBeef said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

Multiplayer should just be disabled on Facebook because it has always been super broken there.

i think this is not a solution , There are many players who are Fb-only players . they strugle already with no guardian , no crafting rune , no no no

cannot we hope for a fix instead

I think the items thing isn't being resolved because ultimately it's not an issue. You run into one player who uses items & lose 30-40 trophies. What is the problem on your other battles? That is probably what they think. Okay you lose 1, but if you lose multiple battles then your team isn't strong enough. Of course an issue is you have no idea if the people you battle have higher runes than you.

But the HUGE issue you all don't focus on is that we have NO SAY in how our defense uses their skills. We also have no idea how the battle went in regards to special skills. I have battled teams where I didn't use items & got lucky that the moves they made didn't cripple my team immediately. If that doesn't happen & I get my one guy to go first I can do a lot of repeat damage. I have also played attacks where the other team got special skill after special skill and killed me even when they were like level 85-90 to my level 100+.

@Haka-Taka said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

they strugle already with no guardian , no crafting rune , no no no

Obviously they dont get the hint.

The facebook version has been the cause of numerous headaches and frustration for years. Why would SP do wanything about it now? Thankfully most browers will be dropping support for flash all together in the next couple of months.

After this post I fought pvp on fb so I know what I was talking about but its horrible didn't see items so item use isn't from pvp users, and yes there are no runes so that is nice because it are the monsters almost in their purest forms (aside that they are ranked) but its so terrible slow (there probably are work around's I don't know about) it drives you crazy.

Not completely unrelated about defences in PVP: you defend many more than what is shown in your log. If you look at your ‘profile’ you will see many more successful defences (in my case about 4 times as much) than what is shown.

This is because defensive losses and wins are only registered towards your trophy count when your shield is down.

This is how you can have the same 3 targets for 2 hours long. You can be sure all those targets are behind a shield when you finally attack them, unless they accidentally are attacking at the same time and have their shield down. There is one player I attacked 3 times in my last 4 attacks. It would surprise me if more than one of those shows in her log.

What makes it even MORE difficult to get a successful defence in your log is that most likely you are being attacked by more people at the same time, once your shield is down. Let us say for argument’s sake that two players are attacking you and one is winning and the other is losing. In order to get a defensive victory the LOSING player should finish first, otherwise your shield will go up due to a defensive loss and the successful defence will not register. We all know that when an attacking player loses, the battle is likely to last longer than when the attacking player is winning.

So the horrible win/lose rate on defence is not just due to bad ai, the use of items or Facebook attackers. It is in the nature of how PVP currently is designed.

@Ekto-Gamat Wow! I'd love to say that this is a crazy theory, but it makes complete sense. I haven't had a successful defence since the first couple of days of this season and I think I had only two, yet my profile shows many more. And like the last season, I am unable to advance any further about half way through the season and stopped playing. And as last season, the moment you stop playing, you don't get attacked anymore. My son did the same and after some days I had a look and he was last attacked 5 days ago, but then lost trophies within a few minutes of me checking this out. All of this needs changing for the PvP system to actually be playable....

.... as it stands now, all you need to do is to win a few battles at the beginning of the season and then walk away and get your legendary IV award two weeks later!

@David-ML said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

.... as it stands now, all you need to do is to win a few battles at the beginning of the season and then walk away and get your legendary IV award two weeks later!

Sad but true.

@Ekto-Gamat

So the horrible win/lose rate on defence is not just due to bad ai, the use of items or Facebook attackers. It is in the nature of how PVP currently is designed.

'Designed' is hardly the word I would use to describe the architecture SP used with PvP. I am sure there was lots of grand hand waving in countless meetings of mental masturbation, but it was hobbled together with spit, bubble gum, and twine in its implementation. I highly doubt there is anyone at SP that can truly explain in any detail the exact behavior of PvP.

@Ekto-Gamat said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

Not completely unrelated about defences in PVP: you defend many more than what is shown in your log. If you look at your ‘profile’ you will see many more successful defences (in my case about 4 times as much) than what is shown.

This is because defensive losses and wins are only registered towards your trophy count when your shield is down.

Actually i can confirm that those numbers are just for display !

@Haka-Taka can you please expand? Are you saying that they're not real..? (sigh) SP's silence is just deafening & every time I tag any SP rep, I don't get any response, so no point even trying on my part.

Check out laomu skills: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1483/analysis-laomu-breeding-combo-galante-erpham/2
Met it in pvp...
CHEATING?

@Dewei said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

Check out laomu skills: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1483/analysis-laomu-breeding-combo-galante-erpham/2
Met it in pvp...
CHEATING?

Yes . Sadly there is a running hack where they put whatever skill they want on whatever monster , it is already reported to sp but no idea when the fix is

@Haka-Taka said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

@Dewei said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

Check out laomu skills: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1483/analysis-laomu-breeding-combo-galante-erpham/2
Met it in pvp...
CHEATING?

Yes . Sadly there is a running hack where they put whatever skill they want on whatever monster , it is already reported to sp but no idea when the fix is

They probably not get banned for this because cheating is part of the game I believe by SP policy

Lol...this is so ridiculous! Honestly, most of us spend more on ML than we ever did pre the Monster Lab...& in return, we're rewarded by being pitted up against cheats/hacks & more importantly, SP's "balancing" changes! I'm laughing because there's nothing else we can do

@Dewei How do you look at the skills of that monster? I don't see how you can look at that?

@Kaiju search his team then look at team members look for him and then you can look at the monsters what runes and skills he have by touching Laomu

edit: his Burotgor has also the Mysterious protector attack its the Special of Famperium + its special as normal attack

because of 2 monsters with specials as normal attack his defense team is almost unbeatable 0 cd and 0 stamina so Thetys is useless against it

@Haka-Taka said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

@Dewei said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:
Yes . Sadly there is a running hack where they put whatever skill they want on whatever monster , it is already reported to sp but no idea when the fix is

Can't they just ban the account?

@Dewei Even the Nautilus was hacked. Ultra Frost is Caillech's special.

@Kaiju I made new post about it because it deserves his own don't you think even his attack team has hacked monsters

@Haka-Taka said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

@MarshallTheBeef said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

Multiplayer should just be disabled on Facebook because it has always been super broken there.

i think this is not a solution , There are many players who are Fb-only players . they strugle already with no guardian , no crafting rune , no no no

cannot we hope for a fix instead

Yep. FB player only.
@Keith-Romberg said in People still using items in pvp Multiplayer. This needs to be fixed urgently:

Obviously they dont get the hint.

The facebook version has been the cause of numerous headaches and frustration for years. Why would SP do wanything about it now? Thankfully most browers will be dropping support for flash all together in the next couple of months.

I've been hearing that on these forums for the past 3 years...