Hi,

the last team war got me thinking about getting decent deniers in each element. (I'm a semi-new player.) Most of my deniers are obviously from water, but I have Eggeater in Magic, Hackster in Metal and Krampus/Mommy in Dark, so I'm fairly well set there. In Earth I'll use Atum as denier. But for Thunder, Light, Fire and Nature I'm drawing a blank. Some monsters like Sarah and Laomu have a single stun, Lau Lau has AoE blind, but that's not enough for me. Any recommendations for decent deniers in those elements?

Best, F.

Nature: El Dino Volador and Psilotus(he is not in the game yet). You can also buy Sarah, since ahe can give immunity to Stun and Freeze to the enemies. Fire doesn't have deniers. Thunder: Tempest, Dr.Viktor, Nexor and Alex Bone. Light: There are no deniers, but Demise can give Double Damage and an extra turn to your attacker to kill the enemies

Sarah may have a single stun, but ahe also has immunities to give and a great speed, which allows her to outspeed many deniers to protect your team from them.

Dr Viktor in Thunder has AOE blind and AOE stun, that is my go to legendary for denial in that element.

Really need deniers in Fire and Light - why is there none? Do SP want a balanced game or not?

Nature deniers, well I have Sarah and Kiridar also is considered a denier, as she has 2 stuns, and an AOE make enemies weak to nature.

Fire- Shallinar
Nature- El dino
Earth- Brontes, Atum
Thunder- Sparking Mantis (?), Viktor, Tempest
Water- Thetys, Caillech, Caven, Frostbite
Dark- Mommy, Krampus,Nishants pet, Jasastur (?)
Magic- Egg, galante family
Light- Ingvar
metal- Metalhead, timerion, copperbeard, hackster, mechamancer

@Max-Pinheiro Monky is the closest thing light has to a denier. He does have a single target mega stun move which is more than most light monsters at least!

Greedy dragon and Megaosteum also Fire denier!

@Star said in Deniers:

Greedy dragon and Megaosteum also Fire denier!

Really, with what?

@PredakingX said in Deniers:

Fire- Shallinar

Shallinar has no deny moves, and works best with 2-3 strength runes.

@Star said in Deniers:

Greedy dragon and Megaosteum also Fire denier!

No AoE deny moves, and both are excellent attackers that should have 2-3 strength runes.

@Keith-Romberg said in Deniers:

@Star said in Deniers:

Greedy dragon and Megaosteum also Fire denier!

Really, with what?

There may be some confusion as denier is not "officially" defined. To me, a denier is a monster that works best with 3 speed runes and who has only one job, to either stun/freeze/daze/blind the entire enemy team, or to take out the most dangerous enemy. Under this definition I clearly agree with you

Demise could be considered a denier with 3x speed, as she allows to give a monster like Barbatos a shot at the most dangerous enemy, who can one-shot just about anyone. But in the strict sense she's not a denier either.

BTW, I went with Kiridar and Sarah (plus Shallinar) in the last war, and both are monsters that I'll rank eventually. Mixed success in the war, but we had very strong opponents anyway.

@Keith-Romberg said in Deniers:

Megaosteum

He has a single monster stun move, but I agree with you, I would not consider anyone without an AOE deny move a denier.

@Keith-Romberg : Maybe I'm noobs and wrong in your point of view but to me any monster with Stunt, Freeze, or Possess abilities regardless of single or multiple hits consider as denier monsters.

@Star said in Deniers:

@Keith-Romberg : Maybe I'm noobs and wrong in your point of view but to me any monster with Stunt, Freeze, or Possess abilities regardless of single or multiple hits consider as denier monsters.

I'd say that the vast majority of forum members would disagree
They may be an attacker or a supporter who have a deny move, but their primary goal is hardly ever to deny, usually it's to do damage. Hence, they're either attackers, tanks or supporters.

@Frunobulax said in Deniers:

@Star said in Deniers:

@Keith-Romberg : Maybe I'm noobs and wrong in your point of view but to me any monster with Stunt, Freeze, or Possess abilities regardless of single or multiple hits consider as denier monsters.

I'd say that the vast majority of forum members would disagree
They may be an attacker or a supporter who have a deny move, but their primary goal is hardly ever to deny, usually it's to do damage. Hence, they're either attackers, tanks or supporters.

Nope, Deniers are some of the most coveted monsters in the game, most team comps are primary deny(all speed), secondary(team speed), and dmg ( Strength, speed). Tank and support are irrelevant most times because you shouldn't put yourself in the position to need support and Tanks are worthless because few monsters have juggernaut, therefore you can never be COMPLETELY sure which monster will get targeted.

Also @Frunobulax, shallinar is deny, because she can mostly ohko any monster she needs to given the chance, and if you want to deny a turn, get rid of the monster... simple.

@Frunobulax :Since I'm noobs, please school me; i'd like to learn more of the unknown knowledge that I haven't learned.

@PredakingX said in Deniers:

@Frunobulax said in Deniers:

@Star said in Deniers:

@Keith-Romberg : Maybe I'm noobs and wrong in your point of view but to me any monster with Stunt, Freeze, or Possess abilities regardless of single or multiple hits consider as denier monsters.

I'd say that the vast majority of forum members would disagree
They may be an attacker or a supporter who have a deny move, but their primary goal is hardly ever to deny, usually it's to do damage. Hence, they're either attackers, tanks or supporters.

Nope, Deniers are some of the most coveted monsters in the game, most team comps are primary deny(all speed), secondary(team speed), and dmg ( Strength, speed). Tank and support are irrelevant most times because you shouldn't put yourself in the position to need support and Tanks are worthless because few monsters have juggernaut, therefore you can never be COMPLETELY sure which monster will get targeted.

Also @Frunobulax, shallinar is deny, because she can mostly ohko any monster she needs to given the chance, and if you want to deny a turn, get rid of the monster... simple.

Although I love Shallinar use her in my pvp attack team but not as denier, in pvp I use her as attacker in survival dungeon I use her as support (maybe you can call that indirect denie) but cant really see her as a direct denier because most of the time you have a fire in the opposite team so you cant ohko.

@Marianne-van-Es She needn't kill the whole team in one shot, her ability to nuke almost any monster of her choosing makes her a perfect fire "deny monster".

@PredakingX said in Deniers:

@Marianne-van-Es She needn't kill the whole team in one shot, her ability to nuke almost any monster of her choosing makes her a perfect fire "deny monster".

But if you don't have a true denier she will never be able to do that, because she is stunned/frozen/possessed. With 3 speed runes there is no way how Shallinar can one-shot an enemy.

@Frunobulax said in Deniers:

@PredakingX said in Deniers:

@Marianne-van-Es She needn't kill the whole team in one shot, her ability to nuke almost any monster of her choosing makes her a perfect fire "deny monster".

But if you don't have a true denier she will never be able to do that, because she is stunned/frozen/possessed. With 3 speed runes there is no way how Shallinar can one-shot an enemy.

I agree with you except for the stun and posses part but she can be frozen

@Frunobulax said in Deniers:

@PredakingX said in Deniers:

@Marianne-van-Es She needn't kill the whole team in one shot, her ability to nuke almost any monster of her choosing makes her a perfect fire "deny monster".

But if you don't have a true denier she will never be able to do that, because she is stunned/frozen/possessed. With 3 speed runes there is no way how Shallinar can one-shot an enemy.

Agreed, Every primary deny is in water element, a team without a water deny monster is almost destined to lose. Also, as Marianne stated, possession and freeze mean nothing to her which only increases her value