My team The Champion Monster Legends have 25 players after we finished the previous war. My co lead then started a new war. 45 minutes later, we are drawn against a 21 players team (GUARDIAN ML). 5 of our players have to sit out for no reason. How can ML do that? This is not supposed to be the case. I thought if you have a 25 players team, then you will only fight against a 25 players team. This is clearly unfair to my team especially 5 of my members who have to sit out. Also, weird enough, my co leads and I can't find this team in the search section of team zeppelin. @Fox I would like to hear what's your thought on this BS

Probably you have new members in the team that require cool down time (can't join war during that period). If so, this should be by design.

@Sherwin-Wong There were no new members, or anyone having any cool downs before/during/after the matching.

This issue has been playing for a long time, but fortunately it does not happen often.

If the algorithm cannot find a match with a team with your number of players sometimes it will hook you up with a team with less players and force 5 of yours in observer mode.

This problem is more common for the higher ranked teams because there are less teams they can match.

Kind of blows for the 5 forced into being observers. Been there more than once,

@Ekto-Gamat this doesn't make sense at all. Most of the top teams like your team, PoF, Left Hand God etc have 30 players. Almost 80% of the team on top 100 are 30 players team. And there are so many teams in wars so there should be no reason why the algorithm has to hook you up with less players. This is just very unfair to the team that has 5 players who have to sit out for NO REASON. None of my players have cool down before the wars begin yet they have to sit out. @Fox I need a response from you!

Thank you for your kind responses. Now that we have shed some light into why this could have happened, we can at least have some answer to the five unfortunate team mates who have to sit out because of this fiasco. To be frank, I would rather wait longer for a matchmaking, than to have this happen again.

@TCML-Lead Maybe I am wrong in that it happens more frequently to the top teams. But there have been two 25 vs 25 POF-AMAB wars just because one of the two teams was not at 30 players at that time, forcing 5 players to sit out (fortunately one time it was POF dragging down AMAB and one time the other way around so that score is even :P )

In my opinion it should just not be an option. I'd rather wait half a day for a decent match than having 5 people sit out.

@Ekto-Gamat I absolutely agree with you. I would rather wait half a day than having 5 of my members being forced to sit out. They are clearly not happy and I will be very pissed if they leave my team because of that. Looking at your case, are you saying that at first POF have 29 players and they are somehow up against your team with 30 players and vice versa? to me it looks like a 30 players team with zero players with cooldown time cannot and shouldn't be drawn against a 25-29 players team. This is just absolute BS. Now my team are basically wasting 48 hours for this BS war

@TCML-Lead PoF were at 25 (it was when cheats had been handed out temp bans, and they were playing at 25 until those members were allowed back) and we were at 30. The algorithm matched us, dumping 5 of us into observer mode.

@C0ntr1v3d see here's the unfair part. This should not have happened. A 25- players team should not be matched against a 30-players team even if the matchmaking is taking forever. I thought this is the established rule from SP when they first made the team war. It is not fair to the team with more players and the 5 players who are forced to sit out. Also, this makes me wonder if SP are actually putting the team MP as the first priority above # of players. My team has 25 players but we are up against a 21 players team. And both my team and our opponent have pretty much the same MP, which clearly gives our opponent an advantage. If you take out the MP of the 5 players of my team, then our MP drops a lot. This war and this situation in general is just not fair. @Fox

@TCML-Lead yeah, neither of us were happy either. But hey, we won.

The workaround is cancel the matchmaking after 30 mins and restart the searching.

I don't know why SP can't fix this problem. Yes this should never happen.