Any new ideas for DoTs like bleeding, burning, quicksand, daze, poison, blind etc..

I thought of drowning for Water monsters, and perhaps Suffocate for Dark monsters?

Drowning incurs 10% life each turn for 4 turns, Suffocate incurs 20% life each turn for 3 turns.

@Clackers I think Pigredo should have Procrastination which is like Slow, but cumulative.

@Kaiju Does he actually have any moves that slow the opponent? I Don't think he does actually. Missed opportunity!

@Clackers said in New DoT ideas:

@Kaiju Does he actually have any moves that slow the opponent? I Don't think he does actually. Missed opportunity!

Nothing! He is know for being able to activate cooldowns. He has two skills that can do that.

Paralyse for Electric monsters. Inflicts 10% of the enemy's life for two turns and it has 50% chance of stopping the enemy from moving, since he is paralysed.

Paralyse is a good idea - same controlling skill as say hacked, freeze, stun?

I have another couple of ideas: Imitate (the computer randomly selects one of the hit opponents moves to be used by you for one turn only), Bribe (the new name for Life steal moves).

I also like the idea of some monsters' moves only being possible through the use of their weapon/item (i.e. Thyra's baton). If we had item destroying moves (like shield breaker) then that monster cannot thereafter use any move associated with that weapon.

Totally agree with pigredo and slow. But slow / haste are working weird, an I don't dare adding those effects before fixing them.

I like the ideas proposed, but I would prefer to modify existing ones. Now they are too similar.
Nightmares needs a small buff. Poison and bleeding need to be different. Poison is too powerful.

Also in my to test list I have to make DOT elemental damage. I mean, fire burning will double damage against nature.

And the last (to heavily debate) idea I want to share with you is giving freeze a 10% damage when cancels turn. But if a frozen enemy is hit, freeze will be removed.

What do you think about this ideas?

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@Carlos I like the idea of elemental DoT damage - I hadn't thought of that before.

Regarding Freeze, I thought there was already some damage when an opponent was suffering with freeze? I also like that freeze could be removed if hit again... it adds to strategy.

@Carlos

Not sure about Poison being too powerful... Nature is already pretty disadvantaged. But I agree it should be different from Bleed. And Nightmares definitely needs a buff. The Frozen idea is interesting and I think would add a strategy element. I love the elemental damage idea.

If you are frozen and take a hit / the denial was successful.
If you are frozen and take 2-3 hits with dots your monster is dead not denied :)
Removing the freeze after a single hit is great !

Sunburn makes you dehydrated, so if hit with a water move, it should cure your thirst and remove the dot. Same with Burn, Ignition, etc - if hit with a water move it extinguishes the flames and removes the dot.

Nightmares normally occur when you are asleep. If you are hit with a light move, you are woken up and the dot is removed.

Bleeding occurs from a wound. Healing an ally who is bleeding not only restores the health, but removes the dot.

Freeze occurs when you are cold. Being hit with a light or fire move warms you up and removes the dot.

Stunning an enemy who is confused (possessed) knocks them out of their confusion and removes both dots.

@Carlos I have a couple questions about those ideas,
1-If an enemy is frozen and I attack it with a skill that freezes it, would both freeze effects overlap and make it unfrozen or will it still be frozen?
2-If I attack a frozen enemy but miss the attack, would the enemy still be frozen or would it not be?
3-If the DOT status effects were to be elemental would that make them act like any other normal elemental attack? (50% less dmg against same element/50% more dmg against opposing element)
Thanks for reading.

What about frostbitten?
Frostbitten takes away 15% life each turn for 4 turns and slows the monster by 25%

I also agree that Poison should be different. Maybe the effect could inflict less damage, but decreases more the damage output, like 40%. The nightmares could remove stamina from the enemy every turn, instead of removing only in the first turn. The elemental damage is a good idea, because it makes easier the task of killing tankers.

@Carlos All these ideas are great. The freeze is what I'm concerned about. Frost deniers are already weakened due to a massive amount of freeze immune monsters. Why make it worse? That would REALLY hurt monsters like Caillech, Frostbite, Frostwrath etc. Perhaps it could be like; the target monster is frozen, so are his effects, therefore even if she/he has other DOTs, they can't deal any damage.

Just like Max said, it would make sense for the Nightmares to remove stamina every turn.

Poison lasts 4 turns, but deals damage only on the first 3. That kinda stinks. And Perhaps, bleeding could last 3 turns, 1 turn less than poison and reduce the target's power by like 30%?

Also, I have a question. Why did you give Samael extra turns WHILE taking away resurrection from his special skill? Now the names of his specials don't make any sense; (by the way, nightmares on Cheating the Death are only 50%... Is that correct?) the whole idea of him being a Demise 2.0 doesn't make any sense and I hope Llum won't be sold on that because I REALLY hate the Samael Servant/Soldier/Warrior skills. They just don't suit him. Give that to thunder nemesis!

@Carlos said in New DoT ideas:

Totally agree with pigredo and slow. But slow / haste are working weird, an I don't dare adding those effects before fixing them.

Good. I try not to use slow/haste moves for that very reason. It's cool when it hits, but after the effect wears off, the turn order gets seriously messed up.

I like the ideas proposed, but I would prefer to modify existing ones. Now they are too similar.
Nightmares needs a small buff. Poison and bleeding need to be different. Poison is too powerful.

I like what you all have done with some of the new buffs, doing multiple things at once (sunburn - DoT and reduced accuracy). I'd recommend focusing on that sort of thing a little bit more (I know poison and bleed technically do 2 things at once, but -20% doesn't seem like a lot to me). What if one of them did the same damage, but gave -50% damage for only one or two turns?

I also agree that nightmares is lacking. It's a worthless effect in my opinion. I like the idea someone mentioned (it could be used with nightmares or with other effects) about a % chance that the enemy can't attack.

And the last (to heavily debate) idea I want to share with you is giving freeze a 10% damage when cancels turn. But if a frozen enemy is hit, freeze will be removed.

Interesting. Freeze is already objectively better than stun (not considering immunities). This would help balance it. That's a rather extreme nerf without giving anything back though. What if: in order for a frozen monster to be 'unfrozen' by an attack, the attack has to deal damage (0 damage attacks won't unfreeze). Additionally, what if a frozen monster receives some sort of extra damage from all attacks (say +50% or so)? It gets the benefit of being able to attack but the detriment of receiving more damage. Or (another idea) if a frozen monster is attacked and unfrozen, then they are dazed for one turn?

DOTS:

Water - drown
Fire - burn
Earth - quicksand
Light - sunburn
Thunder - electrocute
Dark - nightmares
Nature - poison
Metal - bleed
Magic -

CONTROLS:

Water - freeze
Fire - inferno
Earth - stun
Light -
Thunder - daze
Dark - torture
Nature -
Metal - hack
Magic - possess

Alternatives:

Water -
Fire - sticky lava
Earth - shield breaker
Light -
Thunder -
Dark -
Nature - reverse healing
Metal - cooldowns activated
Magic - back in time

Hi @Clackers, loving the list.
Are they doing the same? (DOTS and controls?)

Are you proposing that "alternative" skills need to be only in the designated elements?

@Carlos No, the Dots and control skills work as they do now, but I was just listing different 'niches' for each element.

The alternative list was other element-specific things I could think of (for example, Sticky Lava needs to be for fire monsters only).

Ever thought about making monsters immune to a DOT and a control skill? It would make things much better strategically.

Can you please some more 'Back in Time' moves to new monsters? It is a great effect in-game where we can see middle-evo monsters during the battle. I think only My Flaky has this skill...more magic legends need to have it.

Timerion has it: Space time - Genie and raydex have it as ult (I know its a common and uncommon)

@Marianne-van-Es That's still only 4 monsters.

@Expander12 I know but im not a fan so I don't mind, never used it on Timmie either ;)