@Tyroz Could you shed some light on what is going on with the 3 week season and taking away runes?

@tintum I guess it depends on if you want Demise cells or not. A lot of our team may not want cells but we trade with each other for what we do want. Enough people have Demise cells someone could request and craft or rank her without having to buy cells.

@tintum said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:

@Nynaevelan No it's giving much lower rewards than a 2 week season, I don't understand this way of excusing the sneaky horrible changes they do when by your own admission you've given up on 80% of what we can do in this game because of the successive "balancing changes" they've made.

1st season pvp we got 300 gems for being in L4 and a rune lvl 8
Then it dwindled down to 125 gems for being in L4 and a rune lvl 7
Then they made dreadfuil changes in matchmaking, introduced Samael and removed the "refresh" button.
Now as Haka Taka has pointed out, this is the equivalent of a 2 week season for a 83 gems reward.

IS THAT A PATTERN?

@Suzznee Not everybody uses Demise, I have no interest in her and 35 cells of her is objectively less valuable than the rune they used to give away. What are you going to do with 35 cells anyway? Either buy more or nothing.

Given the effort it takes to stay in a league, that you lose double of what you can win, you can't use monsters you want or fight specific players/monsters, what fun is left in this mess? Nothing as far as I'm concerned. WHoever is in charge of this area of the game is ruining it.

Did you think by my comment i was accepting the change? I was just offering an explanation as to why they "might" have made the change. I guess my disbelieve didnt come through the screen. FYI just because i offer an explanation does not mean i support it or agree with it. It is just that....an explanation or should i say assumption.

@Nynaevelan said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:

....LOL, I am thinking this is their Halloween treat. Don't understand why they needed to extend the season since now it will end after Halloween, nor why they extended it but is giving away the same rewards as the 2 week season. But we are talking SP logic...need I say more?

I don't think this is the treat part.

@Kaiju Think it be the trick of treat part? ha ha

@Suzznee said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:

@Kaiju Think it be the trick of treat part? ha ha

I question the change from runes to Demise cells as rewards my Demise is unranked and these cells will help me, but everyone who is getting a lot of her Cells ( Legendary II, I and Leader) really don't need them as their demise is probably 130.

@PredakingX Agreed but those people may have cells to donate to you, so.....

Check this out....!! Opponent levels and points received/lost....ridiculous

@Gallofus That's just sad to see, they put in place a system without taking in consideration the current mess that pvp ranking is, so now the amount of points you get or lose depend only on your league and your opponent's league, monster ranks and levels don't seem to get into it, so as we can see, when there are 130s in gold and 110s in silver you can imagine the mess ... At this point they should realise that the ranking won't fix itself fast enough to appease their players and come up with better match-making and scoring mechanisms. There's so much possibilities they could choose from it's mind-numbing to see that we have to suffer through this, the fact that they don't come out and explain their reasoning shows i guess that they themselves don't have much faith in it and know we would just rip it appart ...

After a month of everybody pointing out the same problems that plague pvp nothing gets fixed in fact SP purposely just made it even worse. facepalm

Oh wow! 25 Demise cells for Gold 1...

So much more useful than The usual rune (not). Only have her at rank 1 and don’t have any other of her cells so complete waste of my time.

@Glaceon and you can waist your time for 3 whole weeks

Destroyed already, season nine. How sad, I simply don't understand why. Started the slide with new rules in season seven, and now with possession rules there is no chance.

@Nynaevelan said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:

@Expander12 said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:

checks first place, 30 minutes into season 9, 24 attack battles and 137 defense battles What, why?

Some people really want the bragging rights to be in first...

Agreed for the attacks, but -sorry for the word- which idiots would attack such a strong defense?
Unless, of course, (s)he's attacking herself with a 2nd account ...

Guess they added another fun "feature" for us.

Before we usually don't get attacked until we go into the PVP area of the game.

Now it seems as soon as your shield is down, you will be in the pool of targets for attack now.

There are so many bugs that plagues this game they can fix, but decides to ignore. Instead they always seems to find time to screw with players and implement stuff no one asks for.

Way to go SP!

@Portgas-D.-Ace said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:
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Before we usually don't get attacked until we go into the PVP area of the game.

Now it seems as soon as your shield is down, you will be in the pool of targets for attack now.

There are so many bugs that plagues this game they can fix, but decides to ignore. Instead they always seems to find time to screw with players and implement stuff no one asks for.
[snip]

• I did not noticed that I won't get attacked when not entering the PvP area.
• If this was really the case, then I'd have considered it a real bug.

@Gallofus Yah, my defense log looks about the same: my 55/55/55 losing to a 100/100/100 nets me -47 trophies while defeating a 60/60/60 got me +6 trophies. I'm thinking it should be somewhat the other way around. My guess is that their thinking is that you will have (or the opportunity to have) more attacks than defenses over the course of the day and they're doing that so that you don't race up the ranks. However, the erratic wins and losses is confusing - some losses are 29 while others are 47.

I noticed at the end of last season all of a sudden I was being attacked when I was not going in to the PVP area. As soon as my shield was down I was being attacked. I am not sure why SP has decided to implement this again.

I really really hate PVP anyways and it was bad enough to do a few battles to keep my ranking in the season, but it seems I am not even going to do that this year. It is like SP figures we will have to spend gems to get to where we want. Sorry to tell you SP for the rewards I will not be spending gems to do PVP.

Lets do the math of their current iteration:

You win you get at most 20 trophies. Takes 2 hour to get 1 additional chance to fight.

Shield lasts for 3 hours after a fight, so you will at most get 1 attack without spending before shield is down.

You lose a defense, you lose 30-40 trophies.

So to advance in PVP now, there is an overwhelming emphasis on defensive win.

Whoever is designing this needs to understand, setting a defense and then sit and wait is not really playing a game. And sad to say too, dear programmer, your AI is also a bit mentally challenged. To make us rely on it is not reasonable.

Can we, the community, have the courtesy of any official response on the state of PvP? Is the anti-fun system here to stay? Cause it's been a month and despite a flood of criticism and complaints there has been no acknowledgment from SP meaning they either don't care or think there's nothing to fix.

@Marianne-van-Es

Oh yes, 3 weeks. A whole extra week of doing just enough to stay in Gold 1, as there’s no way of making into L1. Have already lost over a 100 trophies. Am just going in to do my revenge battles and see if there is a team I can try to beat out of the three choices.

@Wololo I don't know how long you have been playing this game, but I have been playing the game for over a year I think and I don't recall SP ever apologizing for poor game play. I think they might learn something in that regard from Electronic Arts. EA would send free stuff like gems to all the players when they had server issues.

@Kaiju I never mentioned a need for apologies nor do I see any point in them as history cannot be altered. I was asking for information.

Don't start with EA, they're literally the most notorious of all publishers who buy off rights to popular video games with a long history of destroying legendary franchises creating mediocre to bad cash-cow sequels. They are the literal devil of the gaming industry.

We NEED a clarification about why the season is now 3 weeks and no runes.
I am almost sure, that this comes from another stupid SP meeting focusing on how to milk players a bit more.
"PVP is each 2 weeks and a free rune?? No no, that's too much. Remove that without any warning, let them assume it and then play the dumb role and don't say anything about this."

@Gallofus They did announce, but after the fact. Kind of like a speed bump sign conveniently placed after the speed bump. They also did not explain their logic. They hardly ever do. I suspect that they don't want to be held to anything. Probably their marketing people telling them that less is more (or better) when it comes to informing us.

Re: Point discrepancy

A couple of us have commented on seemingly losing way too much while our winnings are down. I was digging for something else, but this has been going on and complained about since Season 2. While I have a theory, I also only have a small sample size.

Four offensive wins

• Three wins vs. teams ranked higher than me => +23 trophies per win
• One win vs. a team ranked lower than me => +27 trophies

Four defensive losses

• Three losses vs. teams ranked higher than me => -47 trophies per loss
• One loss vs. a team ranked lower than me => -27 trophies

So, my theory is that they're "protecting" or "favoring" higher ranked teams by awarding them more points or giving them reduced losses. So as we climbed the ladder, we wouldn't notice this as we would mostly be challenging higher ranked teams. All three of my options right now are higher ranked than me and are worth 23 trophies for a win.

@ericj from 4000 to 3,776, I was attacked 6 times, consecutively, through the shield, I won't be playing PvP anymore. I haven't even attacked more than once yet and I got attacked a total of 8 times.

@ericj of course this is a hand out to high level players, like just about all the changes they make in the game. Team shop prices?

@Kaiju said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:

@Gallofus They did announce, but after the fact. Kind of like a speed bump sign conveniently placed after the speed bump. They also did not explain their logic. They hardly ever do. I suspect that they don't want to be held to anything. Probably their marketing people telling them that less is more (or better) when it comes to informing us.

Where did they announce? I have not seen any on the recent change

The last change that is killing PvP is the shield duration and you can now be attacked while off line. 3 fights in 6 hours. Average trophies 3 times 16 is 48. One loss of 32. Gain 16. NOW I get 2 attacks against me before I get 3 attacks so 2 losses of 32. Result? Your trophies now drain on a general basis. The only thing you can do is hope for a lucky defense win against 130 lvl nemesis monsters. Why why why???

Lost 120 trophies overnight, people from L3 attacking me when I'm now in Gold 1. My 3 proposed opponents can get me 20 trophies, they're all in L3 too...NO refresh.AGain why do we lose so much more than we can win and why are you serving smaller players on a plate to higher leagues? I have 1 130 monster on offense, 0 on def, everyone I can attack or who attacks me is full 130 full X.

I don't care that much on offense but if most of the fights are going to be done by an AI even when I'm logged out it sucks and I can never win even if I win all battles I do play, I remain at a net loss of trophies.,Every update made to Pvp makes it worse so far, please stop "testing" and provide some sort of balance, it has been broken for over a month now.

This season I've won 15/18 fights on offense (waited several times for walls of nemesis to pass), 3/12 on def, I have less trophies now than when the season started despite wining more.

Yes, PvP is definitely A LOT harder now if you can't mount a strong defence. I win 3 fights gain 50-60 trophies and by the time I have another 3 attack points, I'm down 80. Once I get close enough to Gold 1, I then seem to get a few won defences that keep me in Legendary IV. Heck, I even briefly made it into Legendary III - twice! And now I'm back to 4099 trophies. Oh and this all happened in one day and the day isn't even over yet, LOL.

On the bright side, it seems they now give you enough time to get in your three attacks before you get attacked as I so far managed to do all three every time - unheard of!!!

In summary, not sure what to think of it yet. At least it seems that I do need to do some fighting to maintain Legendary status, rather than being able to more or less ignore it for most of the season....

....I noticed that the selection of opponents almost always comes from two or even three leagues above you. This is completely ridiculous and only feeds trophies to those that already have enough whilst you can't get anywhere. This needs to be fixed. How can you expect someone in Gold 1 to win against players in legendary III (my son) or myself against players in legendary II and even I ???

@Suzznee said in No Refresh in PVP Feedback ... Season 7 Onwards:

Where did they announce? I have not seen any on the recent change

On October 16th, in the News section it says, "Halloween Season Has Started
Halloween season has started! It will be longer than usual and packed up with impressive rewards!"

They didn't explain why they changed it, but they did announce it.

What a load of rubbish! I just noticed that it's now three weeks instead of two and the impressive rewards are that the Lvl 7 rune for L4 has been replaced with 400k food (LMAO) and a pathetic 35 Demise cells, oh and of course because it's a week longer we actually lose 65 gems (in L4, basically half the gem reward!) as we'd normally be already have way through the next season when this one finishes - what a total rip off!!!

There's an old saying about progress, something like "two steps forward, one step back." It's quite the opposite with PvP these days. On the other hand, I'm getting my money's worth with how much my monthly subscription costs. Things will work out.

I lost ~200 trophies the first day, and there is no chance to win in offense. I then switched my defense team (look easy but deadly) and just wait.

Today I am back up at 4,094 trophies ^_^

PvP should change its name to "player fishing".

@cCuac Who do you have on defense? I keep tweaking mine to some monsters that kill me. I have had a little success.

@tosha Best monsters to use on defense are a combination of good abilities (offensive+aoe+effect) and traits that resist control effects (possession/freeze/stun/mountain/hardened/tough/abomination/artefact)

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