Why has the forum gone quiet with the Community Managers. There is an issue with PVP and no one has addressed it.

There is a big long thread that was started to get our opinion and it has been abandoned by SP giving any commentary but for players complaining.

Why are the issues not being addressed by the Community Managers?

1. Why is PVP 3 weeks now instead of 2?
2. Why is it minimal amounts or Demise cells are being given in 3 weeks rather then the runes?
3. Why are we being pitted against teams 3 leagues higher then our league?
4. Why is a revenge battle worth so little
5. Why is the PVP designed to lose more trophies from a loss over a win?
6. Why has it gone to being attacked if you don't open up the PVP again? I am being attacked when I am in bed at night. I can by no means do PVP every couple hours, I do have to eat, sleep and work. How is this fair?

Are you planning on fixing all of this or letting PVP slowly die as it is I don't want to play PVP anymore it is not fun. When something becomes not fun it is time to do something else.

Please can we get a Community Manager @Tyroz or anyone else that is a Community Manager to respond. It is really frustrating to read complaint after complaint with nothing being answered.

The new Pvp is pretty good!! You get 27% of the gem reward of season 1, there is no rune, nemesis everywhere so you don't skip your destiny. Is that your intention Suzznee, skipping your destiny? You know true warriors don't do that, ESPECIALLY IN THEIR SLEEP!! How dare you?

The new Pvp? It costs less than buying a new island, I love it ! And you should too

EDIT: language please

@tintum ROFL!

...costs less than buying a new island...

YES! [fist pump]

All right, sweethearts, what are you waiting for? Breakfast in bed? Another glorious day in PVP! A day in PVP is like a day on the farm. Every meal's a banquet! Every paycheck a fortune! Every formation a parade! I love the PVP!
[With apologies to Sgt. Apone from Aliens]

Over the last six to eight months, it has been well proven that issues and/or complaints about the game fall on deaf uncaring ears. These threads are pointless as they do zero good. SP keeps marching forward with new feature after new feature not fixing or cleaning up all the issues/problem they leave in their wake.

@Keith-Romberg I am sure they do fall on deaf ears, but I keep hoping that maybe they will address the issues. There are 5 Community Managers and we saw some activity from them when the forum first started. Now we very rarely see any contribution from them. It is quite sad that I feel that SP wanted to put on a face of caring what anyone thought and now they don't even bother to address the threads that some were started by them.

It really would not be difficult for them to try to address part of the issues but it seems they are not going to address any of them, just keep making it worse.

On top of the messed up PVP we have problems with level 100 teams with low runes attacking high level teams with level X runes and winning which is still not fixed. When mentioning it is a hack we are told it is a glitch but it takes time to fix it ... Ok but that too has gone dead and still not fixed. No one wants an easy win but the way it is set up right now it isn't even fun.

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

Why has it gone to being attacked if you don't open up the PVP again? I am being attacked when I am in bed at night. I can by no means do PVP every couple hours, I do have to eat, sleep and work. How is this fair?

1-5 are fair questions, however, I'm not understanding 6. How should "shielding" work?

I've heard other people mention that its not fair to be fair game and with the attitude that they should be shielded unless they're actively doing PvP. So in theory, you could be "inactive" for 13 days with no gains or losses, do 10 minutes of PvP, gain 75 points, and then go inactive again. Then you're "entitled" to your 50 gems, 250k food, 500k gold... And for what?

@Suzznee Well technically there are only two ML CMs, 2 others are for DC and the fifth is their boss. But I get where you are coming from. With that said, they do take the concerns from the forum to the development team. Some changes are considered, some are not. Now the development team....I just do not know what to say about them. Are they listening? Are they changing their game plan? They seem to have a monster development team and a game development team? They need a quality assurance team and a testing team...or maybe they do not need those if they would slow down on releasing new monsters/content and work to fix some of the bugs. They only seem to fix those that interfere with the players getting some unknown advantage or those that affect revenue coming in. I remember when you couldn't get them to release events regularly now we can't them to stop.

@ericj The question was more why it has changed. If everything else was working right I am not sure I would mind even the shields going down so often, but I am -280 trophies because I am pitted against 130 monsters. I have 1-130 monster on my whole team. The rest are lower. So why am I being pitted against all 130 and Level X runes. Worse yet they are all at least two leagues higher.

I have managed to stay in Legendary IV till this season and I can't get out of Gold I this season due to there is nothing I can attack as well as I keep getting attacked by level 100 with Level 4 and 5 runes that shouldn't even be able to attack my team.

What I would like to see if more even matching and at least a chance to stay put in one league. Nothing has changed on my stuff that I should drop a whole level after all these seasons.

@Nynaevelan said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Suzznee Well technically there are only two ML CMs, 2 others are for DC and the fifth is their boss. But I get where you are coming from. With that said, they do take the concerns from the forum to the development team. Some changes are considered, some are not. Now the development team....I just do not know what to say about them. Are they listening? Are they changing their game plan? They seem to have a monster development team and a game development team? They need a quality assurance team and a testing team...or maybe they do not need those if they would slow down on releasing new monsters/content and work to fix some of the bugs. They only seem to fix those that interfere with the players getting some unknown advantage or those that affect revenue coming in. I remember when you couldn't get them to release events regularly now we can't them to stop.

Ok Technically the two have been no where to seen in some time. It would be nice if we could get some kind of response. I would love to see some of the bugs fixed.

I am not sure what SP doesn't see about just about everyone hates PVP the way it is. It is not fun anymore and it is not even worth doing it any longer for the rewards.

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

I have managed to stay in Legendary IV till this season and I can't get out of Gold I this season due to there is nothing I can attack as well as I keep getting attacked by level 100 with Level 4 and 5 runes that shouldn't even be able to attack my team.

Why shouldn't they be able to attack your team? I'm in Gold III, I'm not being attacked by Gold II. Are you being attacked by Legendary IV?

@Bruce-Hamilton It is not that they shouldn't be able to due to level it is they shouldn't be able to win. They are using level 4 and 5 runes and are level 100 monsters that there is no way they should be winning against 120 Level X runes monsters.

There is a hack out there that is allowing for them to win these battles.

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Nynaevelan said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Suzznee Well technically there are only two ML CMs, 2 others are for DC and the fifth is their boss. But I get where you are coming from. With that said, they do take the concerns from the forum to the development team. Some changes are considered, some are not. Now the development team....I just do not know what to say about them. Are they listening? Are they changing their game plan? They seem to have a monster development team and a game development team? They need a quality assurance team and a testing team...or maybe they do not need those if they would slow down on releasing new monsters/content and work to fix some of the bugs. They only seem to fix those that interfere with the players getting some unknown advantage or those that affect revenue coming in. I remember when you couldn't get them to release events regularly now we can't them to stop.

Ok Technically the two have been no where to seen in some time. It would be nice if we could get some kind of response. I would love to see some of the bugs fixed.

I am not sure what SP doesn't see about just about everyone hates PVP the way it is. It is not fun anymore and it is not even worth doing it any longer for the rewards.

It was announced Fox is on vacation, Tyroz is her backup but yeah he hasn't been around as often or as active as Fox, so I have nothing to offer on him....

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

@ericj The question was more why it has changed. If everything else was working right I am not sure I would mind even the shields going down so often, but I am -280 trophies because I am pitted against 130 monsters. I have 1-130 monster on my whole team. The rest are lower. So why am I being pitted against all 130 and Level X runes. Worse yet they are all at least two leagues higher.

I have managed to stay in Legendary IV till this season and I can't get out of Gold I this season due to there is nothing I can attack as well as I keep getting attacked by level 100 with Level 4 and 5 runes that shouldn't even be able to attack my team.

What I would like to see if more even matching and at least a chance to stay put in one league. Nothing has changed on my stuff that I should drop a whole level after all these seasons.

Except for the fact I have no 130s, the same is happening to me...though I am not even trying to get back to L4, I've given up on that. I just go in and do some revenges just to keep from dropping down too far in G1.

@Nynaevelan said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Nynaevelan said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Suzznee Well technically there are only two ML CMs, 2 others are for DC and the fifth is their boss. But I get where you are coming from. With that said, they do take the concerns from the forum to the development team. Some changes are considered, some are not. Now the development team....I just do not know what to say about them. Are they listening? Are they changing their game plan? They seem to have a monster development team and a game development team? They need a quality assurance team and a testing team...or maybe they do not need those if they would slow down on releasing new monsters/content and work to fix some of the bugs. They only seem to fix those that interfere with the players getting some unknown advantage or those that affect revenue coming in. I remember when you couldn't get them to release events regularly now we can't them to stop.

Ok Technically the two have been no where to seen in some time. It would be nice if we could get some kind of response. I would love to see some of the bugs fixed.

I am not sure what SP doesn't see about just about everyone hates PVP the way it is. It is not fun anymore and it is not even worth doing it any longer for the rewards.

It was announced Fox is on vacation, Tyroz is her backup but yeah he hasn't been around as often or as active as Fox, so I have nothing to offer on him....

Boy must be nice to take a 3 week vacation. Fox announced that she would gone 23 days ago...

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Nynaevelan said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Nynaevelan said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Suzznee Well technically there are only two ML CMs, 2 others are for DC and the fifth is their boss. But I get where you are coming from. With that said, they do take the concerns from the forum to the development team. Some changes are considered, some are not. Now the development team....I just do not know what to say about them. Are they listening? Are they changing their game plan? They seem to have a monster development team and a game development team? They need a quality assurance team and a testing team...or maybe they do not need those if they would slow down on releasing new monsters/content and work to fix some of the bugs. They only seem to fix those that interfere with the players getting some unknown advantage or those that affect revenue coming in. I remember when you couldn't get them to release events regularly now we can't them to stop.

Ok Technically the two have been no where to seen in some time. It would be nice if we could get some kind of response. I would love to see some of the bugs fixed.

I am not sure what SP doesn't see about just about everyone hates PVP the way it is. It is not fun anymore and it is not even worth doing it any longer for the rewards.

It was announced Fox is on vacation, Tyroz is her backup but yeah he hasn't been around as often or as active as Fox, so I have nothing to offer on him....

Boy must be nice to take a 3 week vacation. Fox announced that she would gone 23 days ago...

When you live out of country, you save it up so you can go visit family for longer to justify the cost. I am not saying this is what Fox did, but we have several international people here at my job and they take a month's worth of vacation at once... I would love to do that but I like to spread mine out a week at a time.... But she did tell us aka the moderators that she would be out for several weeks so.... Another thing this is not the only part of their job, they have other duties as well. Who here has a job where they are only responsible for doing one thing???

Only said must be nice to take a long vacation. Don't think I needed me commenting that it must be nice needed an explanation I wish I could afford to take a 3-4 week vacation.

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

Boy must be nice to take a 3 week vacation. Fox announced that she would gone 23 days ago...

Most jobs give you a third week of vacation after x number of years, some will give you four.

@Suzznee said in Community Managers/PVP:

Only said must be nice to take a long vacation. Don't think I needed me commenting that it must be nice needed an explanation I wish I could afford to take a 3-4 week vacation.

Oh I know I get it...now when you say afford do you mean to take the time off or to actually go away for it? LOL, I can afford the first but probably not the second, both in time and expenses...I like my hobbies too much to take away for that long. And I got what you mean, I wasn't disputing it, I was just giving an explanation on what might be the case for Fox's long vacation..... Hopefully she will be back next week so we can get some normalcy again. Tyroz tried but he wasn't here as much as For nor as informative.

Afford as in taking time away. I live on a farm, it is not I can't afford a vacation, but being self employed I don't get perks like normal jobs and there is no one to replace me if I take time off. Although I do take a week off at Christmas every year, but it is not an easy chore to find some one you trust to farm sit for that long.

@Suzznee I actually agree with you! I know fox is gone, but a good organization will have a backup to take care of his or her job when the person is gone and make sure this backup does the same amount of work as the employee who's on vacation. Isn't that how it works? And I can't agree much with your questions about PvP. I see all of us express our views/ complain here because we CARE about this game. I am sure we have seen so many people quit this game, this is really sad to see. It is a good game, but the experience is going downhill. I know SP read these too. Do they take action? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe they are just taking their time but they should know this game is losing a lot of players by looking at the amount of people who complaint here! I do not want to join that list to be honest but I cannot deny I am getting increasingly frustrated. SP, can you actually respond to us for once?

@TCML-Lead said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Suzznee I actually agree with you! I know fox is gone, but a good organization will have a backup to take care of his or her job when the person is gone and make sure this backup does the same amount of work as the employee who's on vacation. Isn't that how it works?

In theory yes but in practice, no. At least not at my job it doesn't. Not to mention the backup is doing the job of 2, it is highly unlikely you would get the same level of efficiency from that second person.

@Haka-Taka

No it is not , if we have for example 100 players angry about pvp and each one went making a new topic about the SAME issue this is not normal not organized and it will not make any pressure on SP , but one organized topic is easy to read and follow.

One topic is also easier to miss, ignore etc.

Your example is the most extreme of all extremes, beyond irrational and so unlikely it's borderline impossible.

I was talking about what's normal, not what's impossible.

@Wololo
There is nothing as topic missed or ignored ,, and it is part of our role to bring feedback and important topic under SP radar . cause things didn't change immediately or we didn't get a CM response this doesn't mean the topic is missed or no SP staff read it

@Haka-Taka said in Community Managers/PVP:

@Wololo
There is nothing as topic missed or ignored ,, and it is part of our role to bring feedback and important topic under SP radar . cause things didn't change immediately or we didn't get a CM response this doesn't mean the topic is missed or no SP staff read it

I beg to differ. Two way communication is essential for healthy service-customer relations.

How long does it take for any one on the ML team to log in and write "we'll look into it"? Cause that's literally all we're asking for, for over a month.
Changes take time, we all know that, nobody here ever asked for immediate action please stop going into extremes just to make me look bad.

@Keith-Romberg Yep. Even customer support gives you a standard pat response to everything then closes the case. Why expect anything different on here? I am still waiting for Tyroz to respond to my chat from 3 days ago.

At this point I am seriously considering quiting the game once this maze is over.

@Wololo said in Community Managers/PVP:

I beg to differ. Two way communication is essential for healthy service-customer relations.

How long does it take for any one on the ML team to log in and write "we'll look into it"? Cause that's literally all we're asking for, for over a month.
Changes take time, we all know that, nobody here ever asked for immediate action please stop going into extremes just to make me look bad.

It is OK to beg 2 way communications but multiple topics will no lead us anywhere and we may even lose our one way communications . Sp decided to deal with forum this way if you beg to differ try chatting with fox or tyroz about it .if i got different instruction from them then ok go and make a topic every day but till then we are asked to make sure that topics are in right section , no double ones , etc . Good luck with Sp

@Haka-Taka I saw you locked my post about pvp but I still wanna respond to your point about having multiple post is not going to work. Well, we have that long PvP season 7 onwards no refresh button thread, yet PvP is still the same, which lead me to start wondering if this one thread can actually put some pressure on SP to fix the PvP. Hence, I created this "poll" just to see who still care about PvP and want the good old PvP back. Suzznee's post is great too. And I know you are told to not have "double ones", so fine. You just do what you are told to do. Still, I honestly don't see anything wrong with having multiple PvP posts. I don't know, to me I think if having many comments and posts about certain issue means the issue is serious, no? The easiest way to stop this is by simply solving the issue... Look haka, i am not blaming you or anything, it's just a difference in opinion. We are entitled to our opinion and there's not really a right or wrong here. You are just doing your job, I know and I respect that. After all, we care about this game. Cheers!

@TCML-Lead
Well Sp is not pressureable at least this way

you topic is fine if we have poll option like old forum so to represent our thought in graphical or numerical way but it turned to be another feedback
Glad that you understand my job . Sp is asked for forum to be like that and for example when fox is back next week with ton of things on her list to do it is easier to bring one topic under radar than 3 topics even if the total number posts is the 3 topics = one long topics psychologically it is easier

Lets do our part and hope Sp CM do theirs

I got an idea. You could set up makeshift poll. Choose some names on the post that haven't been upvoted and vote upvote yes for specific answer and upvote on another for no ha ha .. Don't think it would work but it was an idea. One could set up poll off the forum and post a non working link to it to get people to vote in the forum.

I am in I gold league, but being attacked by III legendary league players (2nd time today). And it's not revenge. How could it be?

Yes, I am beginning to wonder whether the new PvP is designed to keep the top at the top and the rest somewhere far below. I am regularly attacked by Legendary III and II players, I even once was attacked by the number one legendary leader whilst I was in Gold I. At the same time, as posted in the other thread, I only get opponents to chose from that are two or three leagues above me. So how is it that those at the top get the option to attack below, but us below can only attack those at the top??? This is just so wrong!!!

I think the top players simply run out of possible targets, so the lower league players are being targeted.

The way it is now, every time someone PVPs, the total amount of trophies in the whole system decreases, as the defenders loss is always bigger than the winner gain. If the attackers win, he gains 20, and the defender lost 30. So a net 10 is lost from the system. If the attacker loss, he lost 40, the defender gain 30. So a total of 10 is lost from the system as well.

It is simple math, so eventually everyone will be at 0 trophies, unless someone can get negative trophies?

The top players may keep their amount high by always winning. But their target keep having lower trophies, thus keep dropping from L4 to Gold 1, to gold 2, to gold 3, etc. I would not be surprised if soon, even top 500 players can no longer have more than 4000, thus be dropped from L3 to Gold 1. There is simply no way to stabilize the system, and everyone will be at newbie league soon, maybe in season 11.

Don't know what they are trying to achieve by this, but they are truly taking the fun out of pvp.
I stopped caring about it 4 or 5 seasons ago then I could hold my own in L4 know i'm g1 and i dont care because now I can attack sometimes get my maze coins out of it. put in an all epic defense so its fun for others to score some points on my and get some maze coins too.
I get why they want balanced leagues where you can fight your way in because you getting stronger but I dont think this is the way to get it because its only frustrating the majority off the players. They make the season longer (could be ones, we will know next season) there fore are the rewards less and they make it more difficult to get higher in league.
So I'm just a simple player but dont think this is making pvp more attractive somehow.

Again shields are completely broken starting this weekend. SP did an update, obviously untested, where you are now attacked multiple times when the app is not running. Plus you are attacked multiple times before a shield is applied. In the last 3 hours I have been attacked 5 times and have lost 167 trophies. I was in the higher Legendary III rankings with about 4400ish trophies( before the weekend ) and now I cant even get 4000 trophies.

@Keith-Romberg I don't think it is the update. I haven't updated yet & that has happened to me. I got kicked out of Legendary IV because of glitching & now I am out of Gold I as of today. It is still the same old issue. You lose on defense 35+ trophies. You win you get 20 trophies. You do a revenge and get 15. I get attacked by Gold II teams with level 10 runes across 2 of the 3 players. I get attacked by Gold I & Legendary IV teams where I run into the same problem. And my highest rune is a 5. I might have had one 6 but that is it.

@tosha No, this behavior just started this weekend.

We began playing in August, so I have a limited amount of information to work with compared to others. I have now seen at least five people complain about being attacked while offline. I had previously asked three times over two weeks, how is PvP shielding supposed to work? I thought I had read that you are shielded for three hours after being attacked as well as when you're performing attacks and a few minutes afterwards so that you have time to manipulate your defensive team. In previous seasons, it was very common to get attacked while in bed or out and about.

Is being attacked three times in twenty minutes a bug? Or is it really a flaw? Try to follow... When I log in it shows me three opponents and 1:34 (hours:minutes) remaining until refresh. If "Joe Smith" is showing up to me as a match, how many other players have him as a match? Let's say three others have him as a match and their refresh have 1:50, 1:02, and 0:50 left. I attack and defeat him. He now is supposed to be shielded for 3:00. What does the game do to those three players, do they get an automatic refresh because of his loss? Or is "Joe Smith" technically open to three possible attacks even though he is shielded to everyone else? In any case, yes, it would be nice to know what's going on rather than being frustrated.

@Keith-Romberg Oh ok. I know that I have been getting messages saying I was attacked. I won't be updating any time soon since there is no benefit to doing so.

@ericj Same thing can happen with revenges too, it's unlikely but not impossible. So i suppose what the shield does is remove you from further match making for three hours, but obviously doesn't remove you from established lists or protect you from revenge attacks. It would be hard for them to work around this without rethinking the whole system. I truly don't think this is new, it probably just never happened to the poster.

I also don't get some people's complaint about being attacked even when they're not playing. What's wrong with that exactly ? how is it supposed to be, we only get attacked in the couple minutes window in wich we are playing the game ? i don't know how it used to work but this seems mad to me.

@Darvys said in Community Managers/PVP:

I also don't get some people's complaint about being attacked even when they're not playing. What's wrong with that exactly ? how is it supposed to be, we only get attacked in the couple minutes window in which we are playing the game ? i don't know how it used to work but this seems mad to me.

Complaining ? You think its unjust ? We are getting attacked 10x through a shield that is supposed to protect us, and we were protected from being placed into the matchmaking of PvP if we did not attack ourselves. That way if a person didn't want to attack anymore, they would maintain their current placement in the rankings. Now I drop 200+ trophies in one night because shields dont work, I used to easily stay in Legend IV then they took out refresh and a host of other beneficial elements and I struggle ( along with many others) to stay in Gold I. So no, we shouldn't be attacked if we ourselves aren't playing the game, this mode was broken months after a good fix.

My comment were about people wanting or expecting shields being up while you're at work, asleep and so on. I commented on maybe why we're being attacked when we should be shielded and I think it's logical. Bottom line, we don't know anything because we're not being told anything. With that being said, people like you have posted on here with the expectation that you should be shielded when you're not playing and that's not fair either. A) You would be taken out of the opponents pool. You would be active for 5 minutes when you're playing and then shielded the rest of the day when you're not playing. How is that fair? Seriously though, you log on do your one attack for bracket positioning (IE 250 gems in two weeks when the season is over). You log on each day for 2-3 minutes at a time to collect food and so on, thus a very limited window to be attacked. Come seasons end, you never get attacked because you're barely on, cheating the system, getting your prize. Really? How fair is that? Or at least, how reasonable is that?

There was some evidence that was presented in one of the other threads that suggested that you continue to get attacked while your shield is up, but you don't lose or win trophies when this happens and the attacker does not appear in your defence log. This does make sense and would probably ensure that there is a trophy gain in the system (presuming that a lot more attacks are won than lost). It may be that this system is now broken for some reason. Anyway, whatever is happening and whatever the mechanics for this are, it is evident that PvP system is bleeding trophies at a very high rate. If you just get into L4, you are now ranked around or below 3000th. There used to be over 7000 people in L4. And whilst this may be the reason why SP made it harder (too many players getting L4 rewards) their 'fix' will kill PvP before this season is over!

@ericj
Maybe if you have played the game for years like the rest of us you might have more insight on where my points come from. The shield should be protecting the player after getting attacked long enough for them to get in an attack of their own, with perfect attack timing there is NO WAY, a player who is winning every attack, should have a net LOSS of over 200 trophies ! How is THAT fair ?

Its very simple if you win 3 pvp fights and you go to sleep like a normal person does or go to work or school its crazy when you log on again you have lost so much points that you cant even make it up if you get attacked that much than you should not lose that many points.

@Marianne-van-Es
But...It is fair for you to win 3 pvp fights and in your mind, you should have a shield up until you choose to play again? It's not the first post where you've implied this. I'm already on record in another post saying that this sucks. They have imbalanced things and it sucks. If you attacked three people, then it's fair enough that you receive three attacks back. In strictly talking about your attacks vs. their revenge attacks, it's not right that you come out negative. That's wrong.

I have not been here for years and that's why I have asked five times for "how it should be" and you're another person that either won't or can't state how shielding should work.
. A few responses above, I cited one example of how it could be a flaw in the system. When you lose a fight, is it 100% shielding for three hours or is it a shield* for three hours? I don't think it's unfair to ask SP to drop a FAQ in regards to a lot of the topics of the past few weeks. Darvys was referring to people who think that they should have an untouchable shield when they are not logged in and active. Is it fair for you to lose 200 trophies in one night? Without more information, I cannot say one way or the other. Is it possible to lose 200 trophies in one night with how things are set up? Yes, I think so, based on what we know. Is it possible that they have a bug (hack, whatever) going on that's screwing you? Based on other posts, I think so. If you (@anyone) want your argument to be credible, feel free to post your transcript of attacks in question: *time it happened *plus/minus trophies *clean defense or revenge defense. I don't know if SP or anyone is going to care at the end of the day, but if you want any chance of making your case, you're going to need to provide something better than the same old rhetoric in your reply. Just saying that it's BS to lose 200 trophies in one night is unfair won't cut it.

@David-ML Now this could be possible but I am not sure. I clicked on a team to do revenge & got a team that I attacked for revenge. It wasn't the team I clicked on or wanted to fight but it is who I got.

I keep emailing support but they don't tell me that I ever lost on defense to this team. Maybe they are not equipped to answer the question & this explains it. Of course it doesn't explain how I click on ONE TEAM & get a different one to fight. @Tyroz said to let him know immediately when it happens. I did. No response.

Marianne, tintum, David ML, tosha, Kromberg, Suzznee,TCML, myself, and a host of other players have been stating our basically shared opinion on how PvP "should be" read those and maybe you won't need to ask the question anymore.

Point blank, a player winning every fight and fighting every opportunity they are granted, should not have a net LOSS of anything, that's not how proper game mechanics of a long lasting game work.

@ericj Actually I have posted shots in bugs and it was looked at but I was told they needed more instances reported as the Developers needed more to go on. Tosha has posted to them and reported the same issue I had about the wrong team coming up in a defense and that person attacking. There are multiple screen shots in other thread about level 100 monsters with level 3 and 4 and 5 runes beating level 120 and 130 monsters with Level X runes. Do a search on Google for hacks see what you find. Lots of topics on it.

Many of us have shown "Proof" As far as the shield. I don't know what is fair. I play a couple other games with PVP and you don't have defenses and you are not attacked by other players. You go up against other players but if you loose you loose the same amount you would win, and you are not attacked if you are not playing nor if someone attacks you, you don't loose anything either way. So not sure what the answer to the shields would be. But I feel if you aren't playing ie attacking then why should you be attacked? No other game I play has where you are attacked when you are sleeping or working or whatever.

Perhaps the PVP turns should not be every three hours maybe it needs to be 8 hours and if you choose to do a battle then the shield goes down and you are fair game. It would make more sense. People do eat, sleep and work or go to school.

Oh & now I am just losing ridiculously. I just lost on defense (Burgator 100, two 4, one 5 speed runes; Hackster 100 two 4 & 5 speed, one 5 life runes; Violet 100 level 4 runes of speed/life/strength) to Fightreer (100, 2 gold I runes), Darminth's pet (100, gold I, 2 gold I is runes), & The Firestorm (100, no runes).

This one happened earlier: "I just lost a battle to Gold 2 team, level 100s (Count Glad, Lilysha, Learnean ) with individual level 4 strength, speed, & life runes. My defense is Hackster 100 (individual level 5 life & speed, level 4 team speed), Bugator 100 (individual level 5 & 4 speed, team 4 speed), & Vadamagma 120 (individual 4 life, strength, team 4 speed).

I thought if you have way more speed on your team you go first. At least that is what happens when I attack a team. I can't believe that team could get a single shot in."

Interesting. When I luckily stumble on a team with little to no runes they never get a turn yet this team beat me.

PreadakingX, you're not listening and you're going off on your own tangent. You're not allowing yourself any credibility. You need to give a little more than 'I won all my attacks, I didn't deserve to loss 200 trophies last night.' So is "all" attacks equal to 3 attacks? 15 attacks? Then did you lose less, more or an equal number of defenses? My point is you have not provided any credible information in this thread. If you're referring to some other thread, why assume that I know all about it? But it's all good.

Suzznee, your first paragraph had zero to do with what's currently at hand. Though, I think what you've said is widely accepted as totally screwed up. My point about the shield was already made and I stand by it. Please tell, would you defend better if you were online? I'm thinking no because other than set your team, you don't actually control the defend, the AI does it for you, whether or not you're online. I'll also guess that you haven't played that many games of this style. I understand what you're saying about other games that might be true player vs. player but this game uses a style that hundreds of games use where its more technically player vs. your defense as controlled by the AI, for a lack of a better way of stating it.