Why do we even have these anymore huh? All that me and many others have been getting is genie, random unbreedable but useless epic and random breedable useless epic! This is unacceptable. Before you tell me it's just a matter of luck I have to inform you that once in these breeding events I was getting tons of legendaries and when I didn't I was not getting stupid epics but just a rockilla or something that takes 2 hours or a bit more to breed. But now? Nothing! Useless monsters that also take way too much to hatch! Your stupid idea of adding more random monsters in the event has just made it worse. Bring back the old breeding events and not these genie events or stoirm and razfeesh. Because with these I would have gotten now at least a level 110 hackster or psilotus. But no! ALL I GOT WAS A LEVEL 70 GENIE. Do something please!

Yeah since you asked so nicely they are going to jump right on it....NOT. LOL, I know your frustration but honestly the tone of your message is not going to incite them to want to make any changes.

With that said, I remember the time when you would at least get one of the targeted monsters. Now the timeframe is shorter, the failures are longer and the success rate is practically non-existent. Out of the three I wanted this round, I only got one....with 25-40% of my failed epics being something I was willing to extract for ranking. These really do need to be re-balanced back to what they were before. I am asking nicely not demanding not so nicely SP......

@Nynaevelan I know lol but I've been keeping that rage for long time by not saying anything about all the things that have been going on recently on the game so yea

When humans breed, you don't always get what you want. Same with monsters.

I disagree with Nynaevelan, SP have a strict non-discriminating policy.

Whether you ask nicely or rudely, they will ignore you both with an equal amount of apathy.

@Bruce-Hamilton said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

When humans breed, you don't always get what you want. Same with monsters.

Haha! Yes, indeed! I managed to get a Sham Rokku, which is unbreedable. Its not the Guava Juice, I am trying for and it is not a monster that I particularly like, but I am fine with it. At least I got some unobtainable otherwise.

@Kaiju Ditto, and I received several normally nonbreedables. And it stinks to get genies when they take up so much of your time.

I have just stopped participating in these events. If I have space in my hatchery, I might run a few breeds. This may have added up to maybe 20-30 attempts scattered over more than half a dozen events - I did not get one single target legendary. I once bred a Violet and that's it. If I would have had that many attempts in a single event, it would have cost me hundreds. By doing it they way I do it now, it cost me nothing, SP gained nothing and I had 100 Violet cells to share with my team....

....I am sure SP is gathering stats on how much people spend on these events. The fact that they haven't change them, tells me that there are far too many gullible idiots out there wasting their gems. I am sure if everyone would treat them like me, it'll be back to what they once were a long time ago!!!

@ericj said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

@Kaiju Ditto, and I received several normally nonbreedables. And it stinks to get genies when they take up so much of your time.

Well Legendary would not be very legendary if they were easy to get. I have bred so many genies in my attempts to get Laomu that I was just selling them. Now I am going to hold on to them and extract them. I have no use for them, except to give to team mates that want to rank up their commons and hate all of the time involved. So you could look on it as providing a valuable service for your future team mates, who will shower you with gold and accolades....hmmm, probably not. Still I am going to keep doing it.

I didn't get any of the monsters but did get 4 Ledovech which will help rank him more and I got a couple Hydnora, a Wolfkami and a Lord of Atlantis and lots of Genies .. I can start a Genie Army

But none of the two I was I was trying to breed for. Odds were pretty bad this time. I did not spend many gems though either.

I am trying for Gaianova, but got 2 genies so far.

When does the breeding event end?

i got more than 5 razfeeshes, 2 darnubises and a whole bunch of genies, no legend whatsoever , only tried for 1 of them thinking maybe perseverance will work ...was this breedable epic event ? i feel sort of cheated since i bought all the jokers for breeding event purposes but i wouldn't need them if my intention was to breed razfeesh over and over again , come on already, at least for the last 3 breeding events i'm only getting razfeesh ; ever since all these " balancing this...balancing that" we just keep on losing gems, friends are leaving the game, pvp- those enemy nemesises don't like to lose and it's all i'm getting to attack , nevermind war matchmaking , team shop prices...i can go on ...anything for the players benefit anytime soon ?!

absolutely agree. Here's my take: I like the change in joker combo. It is a positive change. SP actually put the jokers in place of some really hard to get monsters so theoretically you have a chance of getting the actual monster you want. However, SP also countered that by reducing the chance of getting the actual monster. Some of you might say I am just having bad luck and this might not be true but I actually kinda wanna see how many of you agree with me. This breeding event- I got 1 legendary (Psilotus), tons of epics (probably about 20) and overall very disappointing event. SP are smart, they put all those epics there because they take forever to breed and hatch and you just keep getting fliploch, musu etc. Btw Fliploch is now my least favorite monster because I lost count how many fliploch I got when I try to breed Psilotus and guava juice. This is just simply unacceptable. I put a comment before saying I want to see more positive changes in the game and I hope there will be a positive change in breeding event. Well, the breeding event has been one of the biggest complaint in game and I really want to see it improves. Sadly, it's not happening. The joker combo is getting better, but it is significantly outweigh by the fact that the chance of you getting the actual monster is VERY VERY VERY VERY LOW. This is just really sad. What does it take to make SP realize that there needs to be some positive changes to the breeding event? I am not going to participate in any breeding event anymore until I see some positive changes to the breeding event.

Dont really mind all that much actually. There are usually more mind-pressing events to do, and I would much rather invest in those. Breeding was always a thing I had in the background thing, I would never put forward gems for that crap. If I get whatever I want, awesome, if I dont, then whatever, more cells to use and give. Also, dang, these guys are legendaries, dont expect SP to give them out like Halloween candy, especially with all these events floating around.

Space is also precious. People complaining about the vault, and I agree with them. Dont fill those habitats up with garbage and gold slaves, bound to be better monsters in the future. Think long-term peeps.

@Boro-Wing There is some middle ground though, there is a huge difference between the odds now in compare with the old days (talking about at least a year not month's) where you got 4 or 5 out of a breeding event without spending tons of gems, so not asking for that back. Im only asking for 1 or 2 good results.
My last succesful breeding event was Petro Lao, got 2 before that great gab to a succesful one after that not a single one of the monsters I was hoping to breed.
So no I dont expect SP to hand me the Legendaries, I never did. Maybe the solution to this problem is to make the event longer so you have more time to breed if the odds are so low.
At this time i hear people saying they dont bother anymore in breeding events and when I take a look at myself I used to use gems on the event, not anymore at least not more then about 10 because of timing issues, used to be about 250 or more depending on the event and monster.

Can't complain, i got beginner's luck i guess, got a Psilotus and a bunch of epics i didn't have in 2 days, since i waited for my Flamerion to hatch. Knowing that i only have a 2* temple, it's a rather good result.
The only gems i spent were to buy the legendary i wanted (only to find his cells in the next event ...).

You guys complain without knowing what the probabilities are, there are people (me included) who struggle to get the usual breedable legendaries, and here you are whining because you can't get rare monsters for free ... (no one forces you to pay, if you gamble and lose, it's no one's fault but yours).

I don't mind the random luck factor if the event wasn't concurrent with the maze event or any other event that also requires breeding and hatching within a time frame, if you go for one you lose out on the other and vice versa. That's just poor design.

@Wololo I agree, they should include elements of the 72h challenge point system for breeding and hatching in maze events, so that we wouldn't be penalised for using our buildings the way they're meant to be.

@Wololo said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

.... if the event wasn't concurrent with the maze event or any other event that also requires breeding and hatching within a time frame, if you go for one you lose out on the other and vice versa. That's just poor design.

I don't have a problem with that providing you actually get what you want to breed. If I spend a few hundred gems on breeding a few legendaries that will on average cost me less than 249 gems, I'd be happy to clear a spot for the concurrent event (providing that one is worth spending on of course!). As I said above, there is just no point in even trying atm!

@Darvys how long have you been playing the game if you dont mind i ask? Because the good old breeding events are absolutely do able. You USED TO be able to get the actual legendaries with the breeding combo, and of course the joker combo raised the % of actually getting the actual legendaries too. For example, I remember the good old shallinar breeding event about a year ago. Absolutely do able and the percent is decent (10%). So here's what the whining is about: 1. The probabilities are now gone (we used to know it), probably because they lowered it; 2. SP added a bunch of epics to make it more complicated as they take longer to hatch and breed. If that's the case, why not extend the event so that you still stand some chance of actually getting the legendaries? So look, I also got Psilotus, and I also struggle to get the breedable legendaries (Laomu), but I have been playing this game for more than three years. The breeding event used to be fun, even the event a year ago I would be excited to do it. But no, not now. Breeding % dropped, SP added a bunch of epics and made you get genies to waste your time and gems, yet the event is still 4 days. In other words, the breeding event is becoming an even more gem spending event, so tell me how is this fair and how is the complaint not ok? And btw, I don't spend in this event. I am just disappointed with the breeding event is going downhill, losing all the fun. Just look at how many players who don't care about the breeding event anymore.

@Darvys said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

Can't complain, i got beginner's luck i guess, got a Psilotus and a bunch of epics i didn't have in 2 days, since i waited for my Flamerion to hatch. Knowing that i only have a 2* temple, it's a rather good result.
The only gems i spent were to buy the legendary i wanted (only to find his cells in the next event ...).

You guys complain without knowing what the probabilities are, there are people (me included) who struggle to get the usual breedable legendaries, and here you are whining because you can't get rare monsters for free ... (no one forces you to pay, if you gamble and lose, it's no one's fault but yours).

sorry but I think you are misunderstanding some of the complaints here. I do not think it is a question of being able to breed the target monsters for free, it is a question of breeding them AT ALL. I have been playing for over 4 years and have participated in every breeding event since they were released. In the initial events the percentages were decent and with the random luck factor and some gems you were able to breed 1 of more of the targeted monsters. Each subsequent event they lowered the success percentages but again you were still able to breed at least 1. Then they changed things and added additional epics to the equation. Their philosophy was it gives users the opportunity to get rare, non breedable monsters. But they do not seem to realize that users were not interested in these rares they were participating for the targeted monster. Now to add insult to injury these additional failures have long hatch times which clog up the hatchery forcing users to use gems to clear them so they can continue. And now we add on the additional insult because the event times have stayed the same or in most cases been shortened which again lowers the possibility of success without super luck or a lot of gems.

Here is my example from the current breeding event:

Psilotus - got lucky got it on the first try
Mountezumu - using the parents and the joker - 12 tries/0 success
GaiaNova - using the parents and the joker - 9 tries/0 success

I do not remember how many gems I used but it is probably in the range of 50-100. Normally for these things I would spend anywhere from 200-250 per monster. So for the three I would have gladly spent @750 gems.

Personally I think this one would have been a success for me because I got lucky with Psilotus and I purchased Granuy and Flamerion, which is what I would have normally done except I paid 50 gems for each more than I normally would have. But this has officially put the last coffin in these breeding events for me. I am no longer going to even try them without using gems. They are just too aggravating without getting any positive returns on them.

Sorry while I do not condone the tone of some of the complaints, in this instance I think most of the posters are spot on and something does need to change with these. I think SP needs to take out all those extra failures that they added and increase the success ratios. Do I think they will do that? No. Do I care? No because as far as I am concerned I am done with them. I'm sorry to say but ML is falling farther and farther down my list of games, and it is getting to the point where I only log in when I remember to do so not because I am excited about an event or war going on. I do not know how long of a shelf life ML has left but for me it's depreciation is increasing exponentially. My level of excitement has gone down so much that even as an early relics person I still have not dedicated any time to trying out the feature.

@Kaiju said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

Haha! Yes, indeed! I managed to get a Sham Rokku, which is unbreedable. Its not the Guava Juice, I am trying for and it is not a monster that I particularly like, but I am fine with it. At least I got some unobtainable otherwise.

Sham rokku #2 is on the way!

Has anyone got Guava Juice? I tried and tried but all I got was Ledovech, Genies and can't remember what else but the combo is the normal combo for Ledovech anyways so that was kind of disappointing. I spent gems and bred around 15 times and nada....

@Suzznee said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

Has anyone got Guava Juice? I tried and tried but all I got was Ledovech, Genies and can't remember what else but the combo is the normal combo for Ledovech anyways so that was kind of disappointing. I spent gems and bred around 15 times and nada....

Trying for the same and I have gotten were two copies of Sham Rokku. I guess I can't complain too much since he is unbreedable.

@Nynaevelan I understand everyone's points and agree with most, what annoyes me is their inability to accept that the game has changed, instead of suggesting changes that actually have a chance of being implemented everyone insists on repeating how amazing the game used to be for free players and that it needs to go back to the way it was ... It won't, if you want to know why, look a the islands of some of the top players after a breeding event and the 17 replicas waiting to be fed for extraction.
Is it frustrating ? Sure, but what's the point wasting energy fruitlessly complaining about it, if SP notices a drop in revenue from this event, they'll revise it, till then keep your spending under control and focus on the things you actually enjoy, when that list becomes too short for your liking, you'll know it's time to move on.

@Darvys said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

@Nynaevelan I understand everyone's points and agree with most, what annoyes me is their inability to accept that the game has changed, instead of suggesting changes that actually have a chance of being implemented everyone insists on repeating how amazing the game used to be for free players and that it needs to go back to the way it was ... It won't, if you want to know why, look a the islands of some of the top players after a breeding event and the 17 replicas waiting to be fed for extraction.
Is it frustrating ? Sure, but what's the point wasting energy fruitlessly complaining about it, if SP notices a drop in revenue from this event, they'll revise it, till then keep your spending under control and focus on the things you actually enjoy, when that list becomes too short for your liking, you'll know it's time to move on.

Half the people in this thread are not free players. I am not a free player. I can accept changes, but what I can't accept is that they keep changing things to where it is NOT fun any longer because they have made it next to impossible to get a monster in the breeding events like we use to be able to do. I don't see any pay players with 17 in their account waiting to be fed either any more.

And no I am not going away and accepting things the way they are because I have a lot invested in the game. Besides my money my time.

You see it as complaining. I see it as giving an opinion. If people don't speak up that means they don't care. If they didn't care we wouldn't see the complaints we see in the game.

To many changes all in favor of how much more they can get out of the player. There has to be a balance.

@Suzznee You may do as you will, what i'm trying to point out is that four people stating their opinion here won't overshadow in SP's mind the hundreds who are happily spending their money in this event (i'm assuming, neither of us have access to the data).
At some point they decided that this event gave away too much for little cost, they changed it, if you want them to backtrack you'll either have to prove them wrong (unlikely, since on average players still do get a good return for their gems) or have numbers on your side, numbers you won't see in this forum but they'll be able to assess. At this point you can fairly assume that your voices were heard, any further venting on this particular issue(!) is in my opinion futile.
The changes you mention have apparently been happening for a while, and they will keep happening with SP tweeking things here and there to keep the boat afloat. You all realize it, what you do with the knowledge is up to you.

@Darvys said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

@Suzznee You may do as you will, what i'm trying to point out is that four people stating their opinion here won't overshadow in SP's mind the hundreds who are happily spending their money in this event (i'm assuming, neither of us have access to the data).
At some point they decided that this event gave away too much for little cost, they changed it, if you want them to backtrack you'll either have to prove them wrong (unlikely, since on average players still do get a good return for their gems) or have numbers on your side, numbers you won't see in this forum but they'll be able to assess. At this point you can fairly assume that your voices were heard, any further venting on this particular issue(!) is in my opinion futile.
The changes you mention have apparently been happening for a while, and they will keep happening with SP tweeking things here and there to keep the boat afloat. You all realize it, what you do with the knowledge is up to you.

And why do you care so much to tell us all to shut and stop whining? When I feel or others do that their comments are futile then I guess they will decide to stop voicing their opinions and concerns.

And speaking up does help. It took lots of complaining to get the refresh button back in PVP but we did. So it is not futile till the person who thinks voicing their concerns, opinions decides it is.

@Suzznee same here. I got two sham rokku, fliploch and 3 musu smh. @Nynaevelan is right. Look, most of us are not interested about the epics. Some of you might not have sham rokku, so that's good if you get him. I already have all these epics and some of them ranked so obviously this is not the best outcome for me. I actually agree with everything she said. This breeding event just adds on to the frustration to this game.

@Darvys "four people stating the opinion here wont overshadow in SP's mind..." Uhm I say you go to the ML Community facebook page, check the breeding recipe post and see how many people raging about this breeding event? and then you said we need to accept that the game has changed and keep repeating how amazing the game used to be.. it wont go back to the way it was... focus on what you can enjoy... alright, you still don't quite get the point. I am not really sure if you noticed there are many (yes, many) good, loyal players leaving this game, and I am talking about players from the very top teams! There is quite a contrast between loyal old players like me and relatively new players. The new players tend to be ok with the current situation because they probably did not notice how this game used to be, and hence get annoyed by how the old players keep complaining and talking about how this game has changed in a bad way. Well, that's exactly a point for SP to hit. This game is increasingly becoming frustrated for old players but I think SP's strategy is to target the new players and spenders. You can ask old, loyal players like me to "move on" if I find this game no longer attracts me, but I also have the right to point out what's wrong with this game. I like my team war members and I still see there's a way for this game to keep going and get better, so I have the right to not accept how the way has changed

@Suzznee @TCML-Lead I don't recall telling anyone to shut up. You ignore the points i try to make and latch on what you assume is my attempt to silence you...
You can't compare this to the pvp issue, removing the refresh button showed a lack of understanding or disregard for the state of pvp, while in this case they have a legitimate reason for change, they decide what they're willing to give for free, not you or i. You're free to voice your opinion if you think it matters, i only suggested that your energy might be better spent elsewhere.
I've been to the community page, went through a few comments and decided never to lay eyes on it again, at least here you find some well constructed arguments while there all i saw was mindless bawling.
I'm not here trying to oppress you, i'm a player like you, i give advice that you are free to ignore.
The new vs old player argument is getting tiresome though, i don't need to experience something to understand it, and there is little doubt that SP values the loyal players as they're far more likely to spend their money than i would be.
Still i'll go along, you say many old loyal players have already left, i'll assume these old loyal players spent a decent amount of time here voicing their opinion about these same changes, yet you notice no change in SP's direction.So maybe try a different approach ? Or keep doing what you're doing if you believe it helps, i can't nor want to decide for you.

@Darvys said in Breeding events are unacceptable:

@Suzznee @TCML-Lead I don't recall telling anyone to shut up. You ignore the points i try to make and latch on what you assume is my attempt to silence you...
You can't compare this to the pvp issue, removing the refresh button showed a lack of understanding or disregard for the state of pvp, while in this case they have a legitimate reason for change, they decide what they're willing to give for free, not you or i. You're free to voice your opinion if you think it matters, i only suggested that your energy might be better spent elsewhere.
I've been to the community page, went through a few comments and decided never to lay eyes on it again, at least here you find some well constructed arguments while there all i saw was mindless bawling.
I'm not here trying to oppress you, i'm a player like you, i give advice that you are free to ignore.
The new vs old player argument is getting tiresome though, i don't need to experience something to understand it, and there is little doubt that SP values the loyal players as they're far more likely to spend their money than i would be.
Still i'll go along, you say many old loyal players have already left, i'll assume these old loyal players spent a decent amount of time here voicing their opinion about these same changes, yet you notice no change in SP's direction.So maybe try a different approach ? Or keep doing what you're doing if you believe it helps, i can't nor want to decide for you.

Dude you said "removing the refresh button showed a lack of understanding or disregard for the state of pvp", shouldn't you also say the same thing to "lowering the pvp breedable chances showed a lack of understanding for the purpose of the breeding event?" "You can't compare this to the pvp issue"- Double standard much huh? I am not sure if you read what Suzznee and I said to you. Did we ignore your points? I will leave the readers to judge. Or actually did you ignore @Suzznee point? She said we, the players on the forum, collectively made complaints about the pvp refresh button being removed issue and now it is brought back. Did you notice that? Or are you trying to deny the fact that our voice was the one that made it brought back. PvP is still far from perfect, but our voice can be heard so I am not sure if I will take your suggestion on "your energy might be spent elsewhere".. or maybe this statement applies to you. Next, new player vs old player issue are getting tiresome and you "dont need to experience something to understand it" oh what a sentence! I love it! So does that mean you can imagined how good the game used to be? I am not sure how convincing your statement can be. Those of us who have played the game long enough knows exactly how the breeding event used to be, and I will leave the readers on the forum to judge who has the better argument. Oh one more thing, you assume that the old players spent a decent amount of time here complaining and arguing. Again, you said there are many constructive arguments here and you are making points.. well, I say perhaps some research on this page will help you so that you don't have to make any "assumptions". Have a nice day! I wish you the best on this game!

@Darvys I am curious why you are so concerned about how much time I or anyone else spend on the forum "Wasting our time". If the topic irritates you, don't read it. If my complaining bothers you or someone else's, don't read it. You are free to ignore what I or anyone else posts. But please don't assume to know where my energy or someone else's energy is best spent.

It amazes me you have spent so much energy arguing over something that irritates you so much.

Alrighty folks lets stay on topic without attacking anyone or becoming defensive. But like Suznee said i am going to walk out of the room now.