Hi @carlos , first relic bug is here

this was from my teammate not me

This is a PVP I just did! When I killed his team it triggered two relics. No idea what they were it flashed on the screen very quickly but for at least 3 minutes I was fighting myself. No monster on his side then after 3 turns of me recharging the Jastur showed up again on his side and I killed it and the battle ended.

Well think this list will grow too

i put a bronze relic " amulet of swiftness " on my demise , and tested it twice , it should give extra speed to random ally
sometimes she got this speed after that if i tried to teleport a monster using " strength from beyond "
the monster get the buff but is not teleported and skip turn

ingvar didn't teleported but he keep the buff for next time and bella got turn instead

I have a lvl 3 Gold Essence Relic named " Comeback Essence " at rank 3 i should have 11,105 life per wiki guidlines. My relic in game shows rank 3 with only 6,665 life

I used the same Amulet of Swiftness on Greedy Dragon. I went into PvP and did his damage boost extra turn move. No extra turn. In fact, never got a turn for the rest of the match. He was completely removed from the turn order. I removed the relic and he returned to normal.

So far, in pvp, when my Zyla hits someone and activates a relic, I no longer get extra turns.

I faced a player in PVP with relic whos mercurius never got a turn in after being slowed by essence . so many bugs .

this is the know slow bug ,, think it is not related to relic , some monsters when hit by slow never get a turn again caaaarloooooos

I tried pvp with osurs amulet (gives team speed and damage at start of turn). I used demise's strength from beyond on warthak, he never got another turn. Happened 2/2 times. Something definitely wrong with relic speed boost and extra turn skills.

Osurs amulet has a bug with extra turn skills, I have mine on Samael and when using it on his first turn and using Samael Soldier the target monster just disappears from the turn list and never gets a turn. It only happens when you use Samael Soldier first move, use it any other time and it works fine as I guess it would do with Demise.

Reported it to SP who didn’t bother reading the message fully and just replied that from their testing the amulet gives the correct boosts which yes it does but like many other relics they are having side effects to the turn order which isn’t right and this amulet isn’t the only one.

I’ve seen a delayers trap kick in to reduce opponents speed only to give the opponents another turn as the turn order resets itself.

I’d sack the testers

another bug , no skills or anything to choose from

Armor Gaming has two videos about the relic and slow issue. Basically if a slowing relic kicks in and the affected monster does an EXTRA TURN SKILL, the monster can't attack anymore, unless killed and resurrected. If it's resurrected, then it can attack again and use the extra turn skills, unless it gets affected by a slowing relic again. So yes, the problem is the combination of the slowing and the extra turn.

@keki14

Yes. This bug is real.

In fact, though, there are so many bugs, only a fool spends anything on the game anymore. Please. Fix the bugs. All of them. There are so, so many. Including the relics, but all of the bugs prior to relics. I have no faith that spending any money on this game will purchase something THAT WORKS as it is advertised. Please. Forget introducing new monsters and features and focus on the bugs. I haven’t spend a dollar in a few weeks and will continue as F2p until I have faith that the money I spend will buy something that will function as it says it’s supposed to.

I don't know what relics I got hit with but I was doing PVP and got hit with two different relics. The first one I was allowed one turn with Zyla and she never got a turn again. The second was a stamina one so I am not sure which caused the issue but Zyla never got a turn again until I used Demise to give it to her. She was skipped 3 times on turns.

Thanks for reporting. We are looking at those issues

@Carlos said in Relic bugs:

Thanks for reporting. We are looking at those issues

Haste and slow banners still give very erratic results. Probably because haste and slow never worked properly, or at least in a way that makes sense. If my fastest monster is slowed a few points, I understand it is possible he is set back in the turn order a bit. What I do not expect is him skipping an entire round, putting him behind some very slow monsters, just because of a bronze relic lvl 1 that is triggered.

@Carlos , what I said above still is the case.

Other than that something small: 'Avenging Energy Staff' sometimes triggers but does not take away any stamina. I am not sure why sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.

@Ekto-Gamat said in Relic bugs:

@Carlos , what I said above still is the case.

Other than that something small: 'Avenging Energy Staff' sometimes triggers but does not take away any stamina. I am not sure why sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.

For me, I noticed that for Avenging Energy Staff and Cane of the Atlantis, it tends to trigger and not do anything when there is a dead monster on the target team. See if that is the same for you.

@Portgas-D.-Ace said in Relic bugs:

@Ekto-Gamat said in Relic bugs:

@Carlos , what I said above still is the case.

Other than that something small: 'Avenging Energy Staff' sometimes triggers but does not take away any stamina. I am not sure why sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.

For me, I noticed that for Avenging Energy Staff and Cane of the Atlantis, it tends to trigger and not do anything when there is a dead monster on the target team. See if that is the same for you.

Thanks, will pay particular attention to that.

I just lost a pvp battle due to this haste banner acting weird, the banner gave 2 extra turns to Gen Ingvar, this is still messing the turn order, he got his turn did encouragement, relic activated, btw was just a level 1 haste banner, he got 170 points of speed, and got an extra turn, he had one strength and 2 single speeds, his team mates had single speeds I had single on the denier and all team speed on the rest, and he still got an extra turn, when that turn was over, guess what, the relic activated again, giving him another turn, this relic is not at all working as it should.

I am taking note of quite a few 'elite' players deliberately exploiting the malfunctioning speed/slow relics. Guys, you already have many Nemeses at lvl 130, X runes and highly levelled gold and diamond relics. It would look much better if you gave lower developed players a better example of sportsmanship.

@Ekto-Gamat, we did some improvements in slow and haste mechanics (relics, skills...). Please, tell me if you noticed them!
I hope it improves the experience.

@Carlos said in Relic bugs:

@Ekto-Gamat, we did some improvements in slow and haste mechanics (relics, skills...). Please, tell me if you noticed them!
I hope it improves the experience.

Thanks for your efforts. When were these improvements pushed?
I had not noticed anything, but will pay more attention.

Hi, My mistake. Those fixes will be in 6.3.1 (Available in no more than 2 weeks)

@Carlos Really glad to hear any news about awareness and some trying to fix this issue.

Its been already waaaay to many months, with these speed relics, pretty much destroying any sense of tactics.
Pretty much any war now are filled with half the islands exploting this bug and no one wants or dare to touch them cause the outcome most cases are a stolen coin or 3...
This is the main thing who needs to be fixed asap if asking me. Totally ruins the fun in the game.
I am a chessplayer and love tactics, thats also why i love this game if just those speed relics dissapears...

I understand that some possibly good changes will come when those relics are "fixed", well, not the relics but the calculations, but I also think that at some degree the issue won't change since effectively a relic like the haste banner, fully leveled up (A Fully level up Amulet of haste does the same.), makes a monster to be 625 points faster, it means that some times the monster will go again? I mean, what's the original intent of those if not that? I think that won't change.

What about let's say letting us see the relics that the other player is using, at least on revenges, you are allowing us to see the runes, why not the relics?, maybe if we can check this we can do better planning and not attack an enemy team that for just the looks of the monsters and runes it should be a sure victory, at least for what one can calculate.

@Carlos said in Relic bugs:

Hi, My mistake. Those fixes will be in 6.3.1 (Available in no more than 2 weeks)

First test in PVP today. The enemy Timerion was nearly dead, haste banner triggered to add + 330 speed and ... absolutely nothing happened, which is what you would expect with such an insignificant difference.

So thanks, it seems to work!

@Carlos I just lost a PvP battle because my gold healing mask on Voltaik didn't trigger and he just burned to death instead of healing the moment he dropped below 50% life. I am very much relying on this mask in PvP and it must trigger on extra turns under dot effects as it makes it pretty useless otherwise in such situations. Can you please look into that!

@David-ML said in Relic bugs:

@Carlos I just lost a PvP battle because my gold healing mask on Voltaik didn't trigger and he just burned to death instead of healing the moment he dropped below 50% life. I am very much relying on this mask in PvP and it must trigger on extra turns under dot effects as it makes it pretty useless otherwise in such situations. Can you please look into that!

As far as i know the mask triggers, and is supposed to trigger, when:

1. Damage is dealt by an attacking monster
2. This damage brings the monster below 50% life.

DOT does not meet these conditions.
I agree it's not very logical, but I don't think it's a bug.

@Ekto-Gamat yep, unfortunately dots doesn't trigger that mask.

Also on the speed modifications, I had 3 battles with speed modification relics and nothing happened after they were triggered. So maybe it's still not perfect, but it's far better than before.

@keki14 said in Relic bugs:

@Ekto-Gamat yep, unfortunately dots doesn't trigger that mask.

Also on the speed modifications, I had 3 battles with speed modification relics and nothing happened after they were triggered. So maybe it's still not perfect, but it's far better than before.

It may actually work perfectly. If the speed alteration does not make one monster faster than another monster nothing should be happening. With the abundance of lvl 1 speed relics in the game as a result of the previous exploitation of the bug, my guess is often nothing happens.

@Ekto-Gamat I hope you are right

@Ekto-Gamat Just read the description again and you are correct "After being hit, if wearer's life is below 50%, it heals by XXX points, 2 uses". Definitely not logical, but I concede that the description is pretty clear although one could argue being hit by dot effects

PS: Check your defence log

@Carlos Nevermind about the mask, but here is something else I have been meaning to bring up for a while and that is the behaviour of relics under possession:

One would assume that stamina drain and damage dealing relics know who the 'attacker' is and react accordingly. Strangely some do and some don't. Great example - the Jakugan Sword. If wielded under possession and the enemy attacker attacking his own team reduces the life of his own team below 50% it deals damage to my team, even if my team is at full health!!! And with stamina drain relics you never know if they drain you or their own under possession. Some will drain the enemy attacker, some will drain your own - highly inconsistent! Can this please be fixed and a consistent logic applied! That would be much appreciated

Another bug , this was reported by another players ""...a serious bug with some relics. 'When turn starts' is activated by 'after being hit'"""
@carlos

Hope this is clear

""Haste banner kicked in after enemy GI was attacked by his Volray. The turn went to the enemy instead of Volray continuing.
Fights could be lost because of this bug.""

This is haste banner des """When the turn starts, if the wearer's Life is below 75%, a random ally's Speed is increased by 170 points for 1 turn. 2 uses."""

so it should have activated on enemy ingavr when he got a turn but it was activated after ingvar being hit by volary

@Carlos

Charging banner and other relics that trigger when an ally has < X stamina. They trigger when an ally is dead.

Apparently the ai thinks that a dead monster is still in play but has 0 stamina and therefore triggers the relics.

@Carlos
Another example of a relic being activated 'after being hit' while it should not have been activated. It should only activate when general Atum had a turn. Which he did not. Revitalizing shield.

Thanks for reporting this issue with Relics Triggering. We will fix it as soon as possible!

@Portgas-D.-Ace said in Relic bugs:

@Ekto-Gamat said in Relic bugs:

@Carlos , what I said above still is the case.

Other than that something small: 'Avenging Energy Staff' sometimes triggers but does not take away any stamina. I am not sure why sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.

For me, I noticed that for Avenging Energy Staff and Cane of the Atlantis, it tends to trigger and not do anything when there is a dead monster on the target team. See if that is the same for you.

This doesn't appear to be fixed yet. It does indeed look like that staff/cane will target monsters that are already dead, producing no visible effect after a proc.

I somehow missed this thread until @Haka-Taka mentioned it in the General Discussion relic thread.

There is a bug with relics that are triggered at the start of the turn. When applying a temporary effect to itself, the relic counts the turn, which makes it useless for most of these relics that only last 1 turn. Two good examples of this happening are Vitality Banner (gold), and Amulet of Haste (silver).

The turn starts and the relic is triggered. The life or speed is increased, but then decreased back to normal as soon as the turn ends. This makes the effect pointless because speed and life are only useful after the turn. On the other hand, this is okay when it happens with Baltasar's Mask because it increases strength during the turn, which is actually useful.

Here is an example of it happening with Amulet of Haste. The first image shows the turn order after the relics are triggered. Thanks to the speed relics, Al Canine gets to take a second turn before the enemy monsters. The second image shows the turn order after Al Canine takes his first turn. He loses his added turn before the enemy monsters (at least one of them).

This actually caused me to lose the attack.

This bug could also affect the Revitalizing Shield fix that @Carlos mentioned above because the description says it starts at the beginning of the turn and lasts for 1 turn. (By the way, in my opinion, Revitalizing Shield would be more useful if it stayed the same, but its description was changed to match it.)

Oblation staff currently does not work properly with xiron the ruby's ruby explosion ability. It will only drain stamina from the selected target rather than all targets.

@Yuan-Zhou-Zheng yup it doesn't work, even though is says that it damages multiple enemies, on the wiki is cataloged as a single not multiple enemy attack.

I am using the Soul Shattering Greatsword on Patrion.. My denier goes first and stuns or possesses. Then Patrion attacks but the sword does not remove stamina. When Patrion gets a second shot the sword triggers and removes the stamina if the enemy is stunned or possessed. However, Patrion usually kills the enemy by that stage so it is utterly pointless removing stamina from a dead opponent.

Something happened with the forge when leveling up a relic it doesn't highlight similar relics anymore

@Carlos As per my post from a while back can you please acknowledge that the behaviour of relics under possession will be fixed and a consistent logic applied:

One would assume that relics triggered on attack would know who the 'attacker' is and react accordingly. Strangely some do and some don't. Great example - the Jakugan Sword. If wielded under possession and the enemy attacker attacking his own team reduces the life of his own team below 50% it deals damage to my team, even if my team is at full health!!! And with stamina drain relics you never know if they drain you or their own under possession. Some will drain the enemy attacker, some will drain your own - highly inconsistent! Can this please be fixed and a consistent logic applied! That would be much appreciated

@David-ML said in Relic bugs:

@Carlos As per my post from a while back can you please acknowledge that the behaviour of relics under possession will be fixed and a consistent logic applied:

One would assume that relics triggered on attack would know who the 'attacker' is and react accordingly. Strangely some do and some don't. Great example - the Jakugan Sword. If wielded under possession and the enemy attacker attacking his own team reduces the life of his own team below 50% it deals damage to my team, even if my team is at full health!!! And with stamina drain relics you never know if they drain you or their own under possession. Some will drain the enemy attacker, some will drain your own - highly inconsistent! Can this please be fixed and a consistent logic applied! That would be much appreciated

I agree consistency is highly desirable. But may I suggest that Relics, as magical artifacts, are not capable of being possessed, even if their wearer is.

@C0ntr1v3d said in Relic bugs:

But may I suggest that Relics, as magical artifacts, are not capable of being possessed, even if their wearer is.

I am not sure what you have in mind here. Can you please elaborate on this.....!

@David-ML said in Relic bugs:

@C0ntr1v3d said in Relic bugs:

But may I suggest that Relics, as magical artifacts, are not capable of being possessed, even if their wearer is.

I am not sure what you have in mind here. Can you please elaborate on this.....!

Sure. Relics should do what they say they do.

Taiga Trap eg hits the wearer's attacker. So a possessed teammate who hits an ally equipped with a Taiga Trap should take damage from the trap.

Jakugan Sword hits all "enemies" when triggered. The enemies are still the enemies irrespective of the fact that the wearer may be possessed. The possessed monster may attack his teammates but they are not the enemy. The Sword isn't possessed or confused and should still hit the other team.

@C0ntr1v3d said in Relic bugs:

Jakugan Sword hits all "enemies" when triggered. The enemies are still the enemies irrespective of the fact that the wearer may be possessed. The possessed monster may attack his teammates but they are not the enemy. The Sword isn't possessed or confused and should still hit the other team.

You are implying that the sword has a mind and knows who the enemies are. The enemies are the guys the wielder of the sword is attacking. Whilst you are correct that magical items can't be possessed, they will do what the user will do with them! So no, the Jakugan Sword should not turn around and attack my team when used under possession and even if we go down that way, then it shouldn't be triggered when my team is at full health....

@David-ML said in Relic bugs:

@C0ntr1v3d said in Relic bugs:

Jakugan Sword hits all "enemies" when triggered. The enemies are still the enemies irrespective of the fact that the wearer may be possessed. The possessed monster may attack his teammates but they are not the enemy. The Sword isn't possessed or confused and should still hit the other team.

You are implying that the sword has a mind and knows who the enemies are. The enemies are the guys the wielder of the sword is attacking. Whilst you are correct that magical items can't be possessed, they will do what the user will do with them! So no, the Jakugan Sword should not turn around and attack my team when used under possession and even if we go down that way, then it shouldn't be triggered when my team is at full health....

Interesting discussion about visualising the ML Universe. Are relics 'tools' used by monsters, or are relics pre programmed items that are carried by the monsters? In the first case possession should turn them together with the monster, in the second case not.

I lean towards the second. Because if it is the first Vitality Banners and Healing Relics should also trigger to the advantage of the enemies when a monster is possessed. Possession is strong enough as it is, really.

@Carlos ?

@David-ML said in Relic bugs:

@C0ntr1v3d said in Relic bugs:

Jakugan Sword hits all "enemies" when triggered. The enemies are still the enemies irrespective of the fact that the wearer may be possessed. The possessed monster may attack his teammates but they are not the enemy. The Sword isn't possessed or confused and should still hit the other team.

You are implying that the sword has a mind and knows who the enemies are.

Quite the contrary. I am saying Relics are mindless, and simply do what the description says they do, under the circumstances that trigger them.

For example:

Avenging Energy Staff: After being hit, x points of Stamina is removed from a random enemy. 2 uses.

That Relic removes stamina from a random enemy. Not a random 'enemy' of the possessed wearer. A random enemy. It is objective, not from the perspective of your monster.

Contrast:

Oblation Staff: When hitting, removes x points of Stamina from targets. 1 use

Now this removes stamina from the target (not 'Enemy' or 'Allies'). And if the wearer is possessed, its target will be its teammates. So this one is susceptible to possession.

The same goes for healing Relics (Allies are always actual allies, not subjective from the perspective of a possessed ally).

The descriptions are intentionally specific.