@C0ntr1v3d Yes, you are right that not every relic should react in reverse in particular those that react after being hit as they are not worn by the possessed. The Avenging Energy Staff is a good example. However, the Jakugan Sword is not logical. It may say "After hitting, if target's Life is below 50%, it deals xxx points of Physical Damage to all enemies. 2 uses." and I know what you are saying, but it is a god damn mindless sword that is wielded against a target which is at that point the enemy of the wearer and it should not hit back at the other (my) team, in particular if it's at full health - it defies logic!

And I will pay a bit more attention to all the various stamina drain relics from now on to see how they behave in regards to their description.....

Edit:....looking through all the relics on the wiki only two stamina drain relics should still drain stamina from your team when triggered by a possessed monster: Avenging Energy Staff and Oblation Trap. In theory, the possessed monster should also be counted as 'enemy' at that point.

@David-ML

I admire how much you RPG this, but you are looking through the eyes of your monster when this is in fact a top-down game.

You just quoted the text from Jakugan Sword. It does precisely what it says. If its target (an ally, if possessed) has less than 50% life after hitting, it damages all enemies. All your enemies. The words chosen in almost all relics use consistent defined terms.

If you are motivating for an immersion outcome, then your perspective is validly held. But this is not a bug.

@C0ntr1v3d said in Relic bugs:

@David-ML

I admire how much you RPG this, but you are looking through the eyes of your monster when this is in fact a top-down game.

You just quoted the text from Jakugan Sword. It does precisely what it says. If its target (an ally, if possessed) has less than 50% life after hitting, it damages all enemies. All your enemies. The words chosen in almost all relics use consistent defined terms.

yes, my enemies which are also the enemies of the possessed monster at that point

If you are motivating for an immersion outcome, then your perspective is validly held. But this is not a bug.

It may not be a bug, but it doesn't make sense. It goes against my basic RPG mindset

@David-ML said in Relic bugs:

Oh burn, ouch, nicely done! You win that point.

It isn't though, is it? A Role Playing Game, I mean...
(pausing my Witcher 3 replay )

You just quoted the text from Jakugan Sword. It does precisely what it says. If its target (an ally, if possessed) has less than 50% life after hitting, it damages all enemies. All your enemies. The words chosen in almost all relics use consistent defined terms.

yes, my enemies which are also the enemies of the possessed monster at that point

Your enemies is not the same thing as your possessed monster's targets.

Again, you are entitled to imagine your monster swinging a diamond sword at his unsuspecting teammates and smiting. But your monster's take on 'enemies', 'allies' and 'targets' is immaterial. For Runes to be comprehensible in the least number of words, repeated words across Relics must be consistent. I am saying that 'enemies' means exactly that. I am explaining the behavior with a principle that can be applied across all Relics and predict their behavior.

If you are motivating for an immersion outcome, then your perspective is validly held. But this is not a bug.

It may not be a bug, but it doesn't make sense. It goes against my basic RPG mindset

And as I say, fair enough. We all enjoy this game in different ways. It lends itself to that (mainly).

I just had a charging banner activate despite both of the living monsters having 100% stamina. My only guess is that I had one dead monster that possibly had 0 stamina. It was dead though, so it shouldn't trigger any relics.

@C0ntr1v3d I have to say that I am a bit confused as to why you think that ML has nothing to do with RPG. The fights are classic turn and skill based RPG battles just like in AD&D, Role Master variants and other classic board RPGs. And those are full of magical artifacts and weapons which are very similar to relics in their workings in those games. Granted, in ML we are not playing a storyline, but the battles are very much grounded in RPG principles! The only major difference is that you are stationary and don't move your monsters around....

....but I am very curious to hear what @Carlos thinks about this!

@David-ML

Well, it certainly has RPG elements such as levels and skills etc. But it does not promote role playing. I am not imagining that I am my attacking Zyla any more than I am role playing the Top Hat when I play Monopoly. If anything, the game encourages the player to role play that he or she is a monster master marshalling teams of fighting monsters (rather than role playing that the player is the monsters).

Hardly to the point though. You have a conceptual difficulty with the interpretation of "all enemies". You want to (in effect) add implied words "all perceived enemies of the wearer" - but those words are not there. Your (the player's) enemies are on the right hand side of the screen, and that is where the perk hits - your enemies.

If it helps, from an RPG view, imagine that the Jakugan Sword houses a vengeful spirit that wakes when the sword is quenched in blood and manifests, ripping through all hostile forces. Rather than just a very sharp blade.

@C0ntr1v3d said in Relic bugs:

.....imagine that the Jakugan Sword houses a vengeful spirit that wakes when the sword is quenched in blood and manifests, ripping through all hostile forces. Rather than just a very sharp blade.

Love it, maybe they should get you to write the relic descriptions

Edit: And I fully agree that ML isn't an RPG. It's just the battles without everything else that makes a good RPG. I was actually surprised to find it labelled like that, but it came in handy earlier in our discussions

@Tara-Nicole-Martin Wikipedia isn’t always correct, if by chance it is correct, you’ll have to talk to a game creater to get the problem fixed

@Carlos

Not sure if this has been reported, but an attack which triggers Avenging Energy Staff to activate, prevents Jakugan Sword from activating on the attacker, even though the trigger condition is met.

Oblation Staff doesn't trigger if the skill gives 0 damage. Is this a bug or intended?

Not sure if these relic interactions are intended or a bug but I will ask here. Skills that remove shields do not remove shields provided by relics so why do relics that restore life interact differently against skills changing healing to damage. It seems inconsistent that some skills are effected by relics while other ignore them.

@San said in Relic bugs:

Not sure if these relic interactions are intended or a bug but I will ask here. Skills that remove shields do not remove shields provided by relics so why do relics that restore life interact differently against skills changing healing to damage. It seems inconsistent that some skills are effected by relics while other ignore them.

Relics do not give Shields. They give Armour.

@C0ntr1v3d The Tenacity Shield is not armor. Can skills that remove positive effects remove Speed or Strength buffs provided by relics? How about removing the Life increase some provide? If not why then are Life restoring Relics the only relics gimped by being adversely affected by skills?

@San said in Relic bugs:

@C0ntr1v3d The Tenacity Shield is not armor.

@San

You are posting in Relic Bugs. I am explaining why shield removal does not work on relics - because they don't give shields. They give Armor. Different mechanics, even different animations.

If you want to discuss whether the design philosophy could be better balanced, that is a valid discussion - but an altogether different one. This isn't a bug, but plainly a design choice.

Used AOE stun, missed bottom monster, but not the other two. Soul shattering greatsword effect was applied to none of them. It’s supposed to trigger when stunning a monster.

@Boris I've seen this behaviour before, It activates if the target is possessed or stunned, so it needs to work on the one you clicked when attacking, it doesn't trigger if the stunt lands on another monster and not on the one you clicked when attacking.

@carlos whenever i equip atums armour onto fatid the game crashes. Tried on multiple devices. Anyone else able to try this to confirm its not just my account as the game crashes when i watch monsterwood too.

@VargRanger
My monsterwood is working fine . as for fatid may clearing cache will eliminate any files related to old relic slots

@Haka-Taka sadly i have tried all that. It actually appears that equipping any relic causes my game to crash. Trying to equip for the war and it does exactly the same on all monsters. My partners is working ok. But there are others on the team that it isn't working. Tried different device, switched from google play to amazon appstore to no success.

@VargRanger
i see it is more problematic . thought only you and fatid . as an non relic user i didn't notice that . and nothing in our team chat either , will try to get this under sp radar

@Haka-Taka thank you, much appreciated

Jakugan sword relic seems to be not working right. After hitting if monster HP is below 50 percent hits all enemies for X amount of damage. However if monsters HP is taken to zero the effect does not activate. It use to work because 0 hp is less than 50 percent. Did it get changed or is it not working

I don't really know if this is a bug per say, but relics like the energy trap can activate on dead monsters. For example if I used a stamina draining skill that brought the target down to less then 30% energy, but the target died it would still activate the effect anyway. I feel like this is kinda stupid, and defeats the purpose of these relics.

Healing Mask triggers even if an attack misses. Does not make sense and is not as in description.

@Ekto-Gamat This isn't just an issue with healing mask. All hit based relics still count if the skill misses for some reason. Except status based relics like Exhausting sword.

Following Problem occured to me in an pvp battle:

opponent Team: thalassa, zahra and Elvira ... zahra was equipped with an uriel essence ...

during the battle first thalassa died, second Elvira and the last to die was zahra ... now the essence triggered and revived all 3 opponents.

i think the reason for that was the +50% life for the whole Team, which caused the resurrection with half of the beginning life of all 3 Monsters , zahra has additional life from the Level of uriel essence.

i assume thats not the way its intended to work

@Andranianus Its been reported and a fix is coming: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/10314/zahra/3

Relics should not work after the monster dies, correct? I kill Igursus, and because he has heavy duty armor, it brings him back to life by activating the armor. It also trigger his oblation trap. I would expect since he's being killed that nothing negative should happen to me because only Uriels essence is supposed to be able to save a monsters life, no?

Also, the oblation staff removes stamina even if the monster misses. It says it's supposed to remove stamina when "hitting", not missing an enemy that is under evasion. Can we please fix that?

@Carlos just updated and game crashes when trying to add 2nd rune to crafting spot. Also not showing any of the graphics for runes

Edit: working now. cleared cache and restarted game

Whenever I try to select a Common monster in the reliquary (to remove a relic, for example), the game crashes.
Select the monster, hit the back arrow, crash.

The Energizer Staff doesn't work properly for me: It gives stamina only to the wearer.

But the description says "When the turn starts, if any ally's stamina is below 25%, 35 points of stamina is given to all targets"

I'd like to report something. You could consider either a bug or an inaccurate description.
Exhausting mask reads that it activates upon the monster "taking damage" from a skill, yet when that monster was protected so they could only take damage from nature and I hit it with a special attack(doing zero damage), it activated and removed stamina from my monster.

What do you think? Is the description wrong and should read "upon being hit by a skill", or is the relic not functioning as it was intended?

@monsterbath
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