In case you haven't been following the Bo Tai discussion in the Monster Discussion section, there are some very interesting changes planned:

@Carlos said in Official SP Video on Bo Tai - Incoming Changes?:

All Stun Immunities (and trait) will also give immunity to MegaStun (2 turn Stuns)
All Possession immunities (and trait) will also give immunity to MegaPossession (2 turn possessions)

We are also internally testing unifying all similar effect - different attacks (Possession = Hacked/Corrupted)

Will MegaStun still land on Mountain?

@Carlos said in Official SP Video on Bo Tai - Incoming Changes?:

@MarshallTheBeef No Marshall. It should not. Possession should be your option.

This immediately makes the Earth element much more interesting:

1. Ouros just just got much better again.
2. Brontes and Hiroim aren't OP anymore (Mega Stun = win).

@Carlos said in Official SP Video on Bo Tai - Incoming Changes?:

Stun immunity trait, and Stun Immunity skills will give immunity to Stun and Megastun
The same for Possesion

The other topic is that skills doing an effect similar to Stun (deny turn), without being Stun, rename them to Stun (Internal tests right now). We would do the same with Possession and other effects, to make more consistent the rules of the game and not scatter very similar skills in our game.
This option will certainly reduce power on certain key legends, but will increase the usability of a lot of monsters, making us see more varied teams and interesting battles.

• Sounds like Stop Time will be a "Stun" and immune by no one anymore?
• Monsters that grant Ally wide immunities just got stronger like Sarah, Caillech, Scryb, Bo Tai, etc.

I think this will make fights much more interesting. What other monsters/elements come to mind with these changes for you?

I mean, from what i recalled, Earth wars were infested by Ouros, it was because the introduction megastun is what kept Ouros in check.

I'm fine that stun immunity now protects vs megastun, brontes won't be able to bully other earths, but now ouros will be doing that instead.

Imbalances happen when there isn't a counter within an the element/book. This change will remind us how oppressive this monster can be if there are no checks in place.

Possession is at best a soft counter to ouros, possession may lead to him hitting his allies for minor dmg, but he still buffs himself which is was his goal in the first place. So he will regen HP, double his HP, or reflect dmg back.

Edit:
So the only real singular counters to ouros comes in the form on A: timerion + equalize, and B. barb with matching str runes to ouros life runes and 1 teamattack rune.

So what happens when its Earth + Book + Book, and timmy/barb arent available?

@pvtpyle said in Changes to Immunities - Very Interesting!:

So the only real singular counters to ouros comes in the form on A: timerion + equalize, and B. barb with matching str runes to ouros life runes and 1 teamattack rune.

Yeah Ouros just got a bit scary again.

So what happens when its Earth + Book + Book, and timmy/barb arent available?

The fight gets very unique and unpredictable.

This change just decreased value of Brontes and mega stun. Brontes doesn't have very good stats, so the only value he had was stunning stun immune monsters. Now it's gone. And mega stun became just a stun which stuns for two turns and that's the only difference.

I do agree brontes was an oppressive monster to earth, because of him, not many other earths except VIPs atum saw play on defense

I say, make stun immune also stop megastun, but make mountain still susceptible to mega stun. Brontes will still be good in book wars.

Haven't tested on regular burn immune monsters yet but looks like Bo Tai's granting of immunity to fire removed Kaih's Ignite effect. That's kind of a big loss for him if it can no longer apply to all monsters.

Edit: Tested on trait based Immune to Burning monsters in adventure map and they can still be Ignited, at least for now.

Just to clarify the resolution of the discussion in the other thread, to prevent confusion and people jumping up and down, as they are wont to do:

Stun Immune monsters can still be Megastunned.

Skills that give Stun Immunity also give immunity to Megastun.

@C0ntr1v3d Oh wow that kind of blows, the community about to happily dust off and rank other earth monsters, but no, Brontes and Heroim with MegaStun wont let that happen. I dont think that making the stun immune trait immune to mega would be bad or imbalanced though. Maybe Im not thinking about it long term/ form the right perspective though.

@PredakingX said in Changes to Immunities - Very Interesting!:

@C0ntr1v3d Oh wow that kind of blows, the community about to happily dust off and rank other earth monsters, but no, Brontes and Heroim with MegaStun wont let that happen. I dont think that making the stun immune trait immune to mega would be bad or imbalanced though. Maybe Im not thinking about it long term/ form the right perspective though.

Go ahead and dust them off. Ouros (eg) is in Underworld - and neither Hiroim nor Brontes is in Underworld (although Barbatos is).

Don't think in terms of Element, anymore.

And dust off Caillech and Sarah eg as well, since they can now give immunity to Megastun.

Before i post a youtube clip another earth countering brontes, am I allowed to post external links? I know that was a big no-no back on the old forums.

@pvtpyle said in Changes to Immunities - Very Interesting!:

Before i post a youtube clip another earth countering brontes, am I allowed to post external links? I know that was a big no-no back on the old forums.

I think it's the same rule as before, you can post links but they can't be live unless it's to another part of the forum.

@karryt

https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf1GMun3_ws&t=68s

For people complaining about a brontes there are reliable ways to dealing with him...
I gave a few clips of my wars to ArmorGaming to promote his channel.