Dear community,

A new epic race has started! Heroic Race Frozen Lake is here!

Find out more information about the Race and its special Rewards -> HERE

Also, please remember that by reaching certain LAPS in this race, you will be able to claim Artifacts for the #RelicOfLife event! Yay!

Here's an overview:

• 1 ”Common Artifact ”-> LAP 4
• 1 ”Common Artifact ” + 1 ”Rare Artifact” -> LAP 7
• 1 ”Rare Artifact” -> LAP 10
• 1 ”Rare Artifacts -> LAP 12
• 2 ”Rare Artifacts -> LAP 15

Share with the community your race strategy + hint & tips for Heroic Races!

Happy racing everyone!

EDIT: To add race tips.

Heroic Race - Did I qualify to win

HEROIC RACE TIPS AND GUIDE

You are in a group of 8 players. To get the new dragon you must qualify by reaching lap 5 at least and be 1st in your race. However, there are prizes for runners up.
You have 10 laps, 50 nodes. You do not have to complete all of this but if you do Lap 11/12/13 and so on are exactly the same as lap 10
There are pools and wait times but they do NOT begin until lap 4. Check the link below for details of the lap and node you are on. We recommend checking each time you begin a new node.

For breeding: Breed Terra and Terra (fastest combination) with low lv parents, You can also breed sea x Poseidon, sea x sea or other basic dragons with at least one parent level 14 or less.

For hatching: Breed any combination above. Hatch and place. We found out that on pc or puffin buying terra eggs and placing them works also and is the quickest thing. For some players it also works to sell the eggs from the hatchery.

For feeding your dragons: Feed one of the hatches you did or breed another terra and terra to feed to level 7, then sell.

For collecting food: Grow the cheapest food and collect after 30 seconds. Repeat this until you have collected the full amount of points.

For collecting gold: Go to a habitat that earns gold relatively quickly. Tap on the habitat. Tap on the collect gold button until you have collected your full amount of available points. Even if you collect 25 gold repeatedly, you will get the items. It makes also sense just to collect gold when it is needed for the race. Then you will get an item from almost each habitat.

League battles: Fight ONLY the number required for your current task! If you run out of league battles, check the pools and wait times for the rest of your node tasks. If the waits are longer than your next league battle refill and you can afford to wait (nobody is gaining on you) then wait. Also, if your league battles take many gems to refill and it's only going to take a few gems to skip the rest of that task completely, buy the task out with a few gems. PRO TIP: To avoid loosing progress when you are ready with everything, visit a neighbor and return back to your islands to save the progress before you leave the game.

GUIDE: dragoncityguide. net/heroic-races-high-snow/

sorry to disappoint everyone but the information on dragon city guide (net) seems legit up to lap 4 node 5... 11 laurel from breeding in one node is as discouraging as to stop playing at all, not just the race.
@Pounawea Farming is not fun. I want to slap across the face whoever came up with the new level requirements. 36 league wins for 1 node? Really? 3 days just to reach lap 10 and then stay in the game all day long to complete 3 nodes a day with little gems investment.
I am going to stop here with the whine and say simply I am really disappointed with this race.

EDIT: language please, per forum rules.

@ormuzd So far I must say the breeding and hatching are not as painful as previous races, but I am only on lap 3 so things will probably get worse as the requirements numbers increase. I am not sure how far I will go, that will all depend on how much time these changes take in time.

I came across a posted topic in which on one of the replies has screenshot sample from the Heroic Race in DragonCityGuide of Joseph. It has an explanation of each items there - Number, Pool, Wait, Change and Time.
Now, I cannot seem to find that topic.

Can anyone please point me where it is or repost here as a reply?

Thank you.

@Nynaevelan I am on lap 4 node 5 and I can assure the breed/hatch objectives are as painful as always have been both on android and facebook

@terrencedg go to dragoncityguide net and click on the first item of the menu - Frozen lake

It looks like those who are replying to me doesn't know what I am talking about or doesn't understand the content of my message.

@terrencedg It seems that you have no idea what Ormuzd is talking about nor the content of his message because
he's directed you to the direct source of the repost that you are looking for

dragoncityguide(dot)net/heroic-races-high-snow/

(Edited to remove live link as per forum rules. Copy and paste the address to your browser. Just replace the (dot) with an actual . )

@terrencedg said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

It looks like those who are replying to me doesn't know what I am talking about or doesn't understand the content of my message.

EDIT: Here is your original post that is locked. FYI the link was given by ormund and at the top of the post....

I came across a posted topic in which on one of the replies has screenshot sample from the Heroic Race in DragonCityGuide of Joseph. It has an explanation of each items there - Number, Pool, Wait, Change and Time.
Now, I cannot seem to find that topic.

Can anyone please point me where it is or repost here as a reply?

Thank you

@terrencedg If you are asking what is "pool", how it is emptied and refilled you can check the discussions of the last few heroic races - there is always someone asking and he/she gets an explanation, e.g. https://forums.socialpointgames.com/post/20259
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/post/20876

@terrencedg I sent you the link via message

I found it. Thank you to the person who originally posted this image.

Wait times now start on lap 4?????? What the F**K?!?!?

Dear community,

For the current Heroic Race - Frozen Lake, we wanted to bring some changes and make Heroic Races a bit different.

More items to collect, but easier to get them

So, basically, you will need a larger than the usual number of items in many nodes, but you'll also notice how each item will be easier to get, requiring fewer tries.

The idea is that during this epic race, we will notice that the number of items to be collected has been increased for breeding, hatching & battles. (note: League only! PvP arenas battles won't count for League missions!) But, ALSO, we have increased the chances to get the items!

Since this is new, let's help each other and share numbers, calculations, tips and hints!

Thank you ALL and happy racing!

Yeah I wondered about the wait times new starting early as well.

What a pain!

@Pounawea said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

More items to collect, but easier to get them

So, basically, you will need a larger than the usual number of items in many nodes, but you'll also notice how each item will be easier to get, requiring fewer tries.

Exactly how is it easier to get 36 PvP trophies on lap 9?

@Stilor said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

@Pounawea said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

More items to collect, but easier to get them

So, basically, you will need a larger than the usual number of items in many nodes, but you'll also notice how each item will be easier to get, requiring fewer tries.

Exactly how is it easier to get 36 PvP trophies on lap 9?

I am pretty sure that the nodes with all those requirements are not a part of the "many" pounawea is referring to.

@Pounawea said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

Dear community,

For the current Heroic Race - Frozen Lake, we wanted to bring some changes and make Heroic Races a bit different.

More items to collect, but easier to get them

So, basically, you will need a larger than the usual number of items in many nodes, but you'll also notice how each item will be easier to get, requiring fewer tries.

The idea is that during this epic race, we will notice that the number of items to be collected has been increased for breeding, hatching & battles. (note: League only! PvP arenas battles won't count for League missions!) But, ALSO, we have increased the chances to get the items!

Since this is new, let's help each other and share numbers, calculations, tips and hints!

Thank you ALL and happy racing!

I don`t see that it is easier to get breeding or hatching points. One and a half hour now tapping for 3 hatching points.....

@Stilor You have wait times on lap 4 but not on 5 and 6.

@Bettina-Löffler I was coming here to say the same thing, this race is PAINFUL and I am already thinking about stopping after qualifying. I just can't. The hatchings/breedings were pretty quick on the first and second laps, now on the fourth they are just as bad as they were in previous races. This race has been live for 6 1/2 hours, 2 1/2 of those hours I was not online and I am already bored and frustrated? No, Hi Snow nor the Comet egg will be joining my collection. Just 1 1/2 nodes to go to qualify and then I am done, I am going to concentrate on the RoL event instead. This is practically the Supremacy race all over.

@Nynaevelan Yes. As I said. It is not doable for people who have a real life. A game should be fun in free time. Not pain all day long.

@Nynaevelan Well, you have to reload the "fight counters" 8 times (i.e. 64 gems) and you'd still have to buy out 1 or 3 last fights, depending on whether you did with 3 or 5 first. That is, 65 to 69 gems JUST FOR THIS NODE!

And then, dragoncityguide lists L4N5 with 9 (!!!) fights + a couple of nodes on L9 with 6 fights each. Even if it is the same as the last race, 1h-2h-2h-2h-...., that's 15 hours without speed up. I don't know the cost of speeding up the fight, but it's at least 1gem per hour. Which makes every such node "worth" about 15 gems, too.

And, with the increased wait times you'll likely need to speed up much, much more. Let's conservatively estimate at 2x more, but I suspect it's going to need more than that. Which brings the cost of getting to lap 15 well into 200+ gems.

I refuse to yield to this extortion. I'll go at the normal pace to lap 12, and if I end up not getting High Snow, I'll delete the app.

Collecting food is also not as easy as previous races. I can collect from 11 farms three times in a row and get nothing. Breeding and hatching is the usual rubbish drop rate.

Have spent some gems and currently on L5N3 and already have the wretched 9 hatch and 9 breed node...

Day one and I’m already fed up. I don’t care if there are no waits on laps 5 and 6, SP has made it impossible for a lot of low level players to even qualify!

I’ve hardly played this game or ML this month because they are turning into pay to play games. I may end up deleting if they carry on like this. There is no fun in the game anymore.

Made it to 4.5, 10 days to get this last node.....hmmm I forgot what it was like to be able to rest and live. I looked at the different laps, there are just too many breed/hatch nodes, I will just let Snow hang out with Spirits and will maybe catch him later.

well, I'll reach the lap 5 and get out of that bloody race. Heroic races are annoying, heroic dragons are annoying, let's leave SP ruin more and more the game. The only people that really appreciate it are the hack groups, with their hack tools (and yeah SP knows about them)

Just did 20 breed/ hatch and nothing. The ONLY thing easier so far has been the reduction in the number of battles. Everything else has had the difficulty ramped up.

Normally at this stage I would have a couple of players matching my progress, this time I am two whole laps ahead.

That alone should ring alarm bells for SP.

It took 84 attempts to get the 8 breeds required for the first part of L4N5, which matches with the 10% chance listed on dragoncityguide, which is the same as it has always been. If they did something to make it "easier" to get items, it is not by much and certainly less than the increased requirements. At 10% L10N1 34 breeding requirement would take an average of 340 attempts! That's work, not fun.

I am going to join those of you who are qualifying and stopping. After that I will probably take an extended break to wait and see if SP fixes some of these issues, or continues to make the game less fun causing more people to leave.

@Glaceon said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

Just did 20 breed/ hatch and nothing. The ONLY thing easier so far has been the reduction in the number of battles. Everything else has had the difficulty ramped up.

Normally at this stage I would have a couple of players matching my progress, this time I am two whole laps ahead.

That alone should ring alarm bells for SP.

Yeah something tells me they are going to need to make some more changes like they did when the special rewards was added because this is just too counter-productive. For the low to mid level players who do not have any heroics just became all but impossible, which means not only will they not be able to get any heroics but they will not be able to compete in the higher level arenas or the leagues.

@Nynaevelan said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

@Glaceon said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

Just did 20 breed/ hatch and nothing. The ONLY thing easier so far has been the reduction in the number of battles. Everything else has had the difficulty ramped up.

Normally at this stage I would have a couple of players matching my progress, this time I am two whole laps ahead.

That alone should ring alarm bells for SP.

Yeah something tells me they are going to need to make some more changes like they did when the special rewards was added because this is just too counter-productive. For the low to mid level players who do not have any heroics just became all but impossible, which means not only will they not be able to get any heroics but they will not be able to compete in the higher level arenas or the leagues.

Indeed, I'd hate to think how much gems they'd need to buy out 36 PvP fights (since reloading the fights in the leagues doesn't make sense for them, they're still going to lose to existing players with heroics). Assuming the same "n*(n+1)/2 - 1" formula, it would be 665 gems for that node!

Since my last post I have been solidly breeding/ hatching.

Total so far, 3 breed and 4 hatch. Terra/terra combo, so can’t do any quicker.

SP I have a life, I have to work, talk to my husband- I cannot spend hours and hours trying to get past ridiculous node requirements.

At this rate looking at my fellow racers - mostly on laps 1 and 2, I may win just by getting to lap 7! But even to get there I dare not imagine how long it will take

Finally got off node 3. Only to find that node 4 has 9 league battles and 9 battles. The first wait is 2 hours, and I have 8 more fights... Also have no more league battles left till tomorrow, after completing 3...

So, yeah, no pool times, but very long forced waits between battles. So lap 6 will not happen until sometime tomorrow, as node 4 cannot be finished tonight. There is no way to reach lap 15 unless you spend several hundred gems. Even lap 12 seems out of sight.

60 terra-terra breedings, one "hatching" trophy so far. No, I have not exhausted the pool yet (started L4N4, only have 2 out of the pool of 4 trophies). This is what @Pounawea calls "easier to get them", I guess. Add the long-standing Android "hanging UI" bug on top of that.

I think SP either thinks its players are idiots, or they're dumb-wits themselves. So I am correcting my strategy: I won't be spending any more gems on this race. I should be able to reach lap 5 in 11 days, but not sure if I even get to lap 7.

I think SP should call off the race, refund any gem expenditures made by players so far (with perhaps small "we are sorry" bonus) and restart the race with normal rules (ideally, the ones used in High Purity and High Octane races).

If SP does not fix this race and does not make amends to its players BEFORE the end of the race, then I am out - will delete the app. SP won't see a dime of my money in this game. It was fun, but not anymore.

Just went back into the game to check how long til my second fight out of 9...nobody has moved since I was last in the game. All 8 in this race are in different time zones, the original race leader has only moved on one node since 1pm uk time - it’s now 9.30pm.

Some highlights:
L4N5 - Breed 11
L5N3 - Breed 9, Hatch 9
L5N4 - PvP 9, Fight 9
L5N5 - Breed 9, Hatch 9
L6N5 - Hatch 10
L7N3 - Hatch 8
L7N5 - Hatch 13
L8N3 - Hatch 10
L8N4 - Breed 8, Hatch 8
L8N5 - Breed 9
L9N1 - Breed 30
L9N3 - Breed 9, Hatch 9
L9N4 - Hatch 30
L9N5 - PvP 36

L10N1 - Breed 34
L10N4 - Hatch 34

Good luck to everyone aiming for high comet (like I did)

@Pounawea play it internally with the great minds in SP because this is not an event made for common players

@ormuzd

Thanks for that list. Way too much breeding and hatching. Less said about the excessive league battles the better...

Will just do what I can, when I can. Only trying now because I bought the 300 gem pack on offer this morning

@Glaceon said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

Will just do what I can, when I can. Only trying now because I bought the 300 gem pack on offer this morning

This is exactly what SP wants you to do, so they will see this purchase as the approval of their new race rules. Expect 48 PvPs and 52 breeding/hatching nodes in the next race.

Logged in the first time to say to whoever came up with the new race design: you suck! I usually spend 80~100 gems per race but this time I’m done after seeing the ridiculous nodes ahead.

Seriously???
the breeding and hatching is ridiculous!!!
and the PvP battles???
come on guys, im not going to spend and arm and a leg for a pack of gems so i cant speed anything up. i spend all after school trying to finsih lap 4 breedings...ima stop racing after i qualify

SP really screwed the pooch on this one. My race & 1/2 of those players haven’t moved in the last 24hrs. Will be interesting to see how this one finishes.

@Glaceon The number of battles has been reduced before lap 4, but take a look at lap 5, where we have to battle 9 dragons in a row. Considering a wait of two hours after the first dragon and two hours for the others, we will have to wait at least 16 hours. A similar situation will happen on lap 9, where we face 6 combats in a row.
In total, the amount of combats doesn't seem to have been reduced. They were only reorganized, so that we have to fight more dragons in a row, and wait longer.

I think the breeding in node 3 in lap 5 is too difficult. Arter breeding and hatching about 100 times, I got nine hatchings but only one single breeding. Possibly, I had to breed 300+ times before finishing that node. There is a risk people will give up, or was I just unlucky?

Oh gosh those battles are brutal. I doubt my mannager is going to give me drAgon city time. Sucks because I would have spent a little in gems but not that amount.

Can't say I like the "improvements" to the race. Seems to be even more frustrating then the previous ones. Pool limits on Lap 4 is nuts and I'm not finding anything easier to get. Not looking forward to the next 10 days that's for sure.

I think by "easier to get" they meant the amount of gems needed to buy out a node - it used to be cost*n*(n+1)/2-1 for each mission, with a minimum of 1. Now it is less than that - I haven't figured the exact formula, but I currently have 7 breedings and one fight remaining with a buyout cost of 40. Under the old formula, it would've been 84 gems. So the cost is indeed slashed in half or so.

On the other hand, they increased the number of items needed to be bought out more than twice - in some cases, about 4x.

"Yes, you need to collect 4 times as much trophies. But there's a bright side - that would cost you 16 times the original amount of gems, but we made it easier to get - it is now only 8 times. That's a 50% discount!", that's what SP is trying to sell us.

Morons.

@Bruno-Pedron126

Er - I know that! I’d already mentioned that!

Read my post again and you will see I said I was on lap 5...

Now on the next node, easier to buy out a node yes, but you still have to do a lot of work to get the price low enough.

The gems were bought before the race started, as it starts around 11am utc, which is where I am.

@Glaceon so, what - you have 300 gems which can be used for anything else, maybe even next race. Who knows - maybe they will get some brains and make the event at least playable. It's too much to hope for but Christmas is near and miracles happen sometimes.

On a side note I am on L5N4 and decided to play slowly. After fight 4 I have to wait 4 hours for the next one. I am not going to pay 11 gems to skip the node. I don't care if I will finish 2nd or 8th (because #1 in my race is on L7N4 and I am not in a mood of catching up someone who has invested a fortune to reach 7 in 3 hours after the race start).

@ormuzd

They will probably be the last gems I buy. Normally I would have been playing league battles to get 6/12 gems daily, but have hardly played this month. Bought Immortal so I could complete Rockfire cup as that is the next for me, so only had 20 gems race morning! Already stopped buying gems in ML.

I don’t mind paying gems to move on, especially when it’s a single digit amount, the lower the better. My target for this race is to stay above 200 gems and not go below that. Then with the usual events I should have a few more for the next race than I started with on this.

I just hope they do not start the next race on Xmas day! Especially if they do not change it from this race. I need High Supremacy and High Spirits as that is when they last messed around with the race mechanics.

Just hit l5n5 where normally i would be closing in on l8. I have already reached my goal so i am just trudging along. Surprisingly i am in first with #2 2 nodes behind me, we are the only ones qualified with everyone else on lap 1 and 2. In the 19 races i have raced in i have NEVER had a race with this lack of participation and NO ONE has gemmed ahead. Way to go DC team you have now joined the ML team of ruining events.

@Nynaevelan

Lap 6 is very easy so far. Am on node 3 and in only 5 mins have only 3 more breeds to get. Total gem cost so far for this lap - 1! Just one....

Might get towards lap 7 today but will be hard, as am out tonight and busy much of this afternoon as well as tomorrow. Won’t have much signal either as will be travelling.

@Glaceon said in Heroic Race: Frozen Lake - High Snow Dragon! Nov 30 - Dec 11, 2017:

@Nynaevelan

Lap 6 is very easy so far. Am on node 3 and in only 5 mins have only 3 more breeds to get. Total gem cost so far for this lap - 1! Just one....

Might get towards lap 7 today but will be hard, as am out tonight and busy much of this afternoon as well as tomorrow. Won’t have much signal either as will be travelling.

Ironically I have several all day meetings next week so I had planned to spend more than I normally do so that I could give myself a good lead before I lost those days.....they did me a favor I suppose because I am keeping my gems.