Hey Everyone,

Making a new topic here to look for thoughts and opinions on the new proposed changes to Hack and Corruption as stated in this post Bugfixes 12/5/2017

It states upcoming change of Immunity to Possession trait will now block possession-like effects like Corrupted, Hacked, Rebooted, Subscribed, Charmed and Manipulation.

In my opinion this is a major nerf to a couple monsters that were advertised that thier skills would work against possess immunity. This would render Glitch nearly useless and is a major nerf on Hackster.

Monsters cannot be sold with advertised stats and exist for 6 months+ then get nerfed in this manner.

Main concern here is 2 monsters are being nerfed in order to fix one new monster's (Undertaker) trait. I see a repeating pattern here that makes it risky to invest in ranking up any monster.

Please leave your thoughts and concerns.

@amort3k said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

In my opinion this is a major nerf to a couple monsters that were advertised that thier skills would work against possess immunity.

I think the skills in question were advertised to work against possession, not immunity.

I would want my 4482 gems back for hackster!! Worst changr since the last naff change!

Personally, I feel that the nerf to these unique Possessions was very unnecessary and I have a big suspicion that this was done to fix the Undertaker's trait. Glitch has virtually all of his usability other than being a Team Speed holder and/or a Gold farmer. Hackster has been incredibly nerfed so his value has been badly reduced. MMOnster now has something big taken off of the list of what makes him decent. And the list of effects can go on and on. I highly recommend that these unique Possessions should be put back to how good it was before this sudden change. Otherwise, the end results will be much different than just fixing the Undertaker.

This change makes Hackster so worthless. His entire value as a monster (since he does little to no damage) was as a denier who could posses / hack monsters. He's at a disadvantage already in his element and book already due to artifacts but this makes it even worse. He would largely be a PvP attacker now where I can choose who to attack.

If this was how it was envisioned it should have been advertised as such. I wouldn't have ranked him to level four though. Just seems a bit unfair.

Hi,
I only can say youre right about taking away skills or traits or changing them after you released it. People buying monsters because they have good skills or traits so changing them after it released with that kind of skills/traits is the worse thing you can do!
People feel ripped of, me included, i bought 18 eggs for a hamster with good skills because there was a possibillty to attack the posses trait and now they want to change that, i really think that is not acceptable!
If the problem is the undertaker trait, change that i would say, im very curious why they dont do that. I have ranked him also and it is the same “problem”, you buy something and it isnt working right and if you sent a ticket for something what is not working right and asking for a refund their answer is we cant do that.....

This is totally ridicules
Carlos stated many times that
possession immune trait blocks normal possession only
Abomination Trait blocks "Regular" and "Exclusive" possessions.
possession immunity from skills blocks both regular and Exclusive possession

This system stated by a game dev was used by players to build strategy and what to buy and rank so

1- what was the idea of Abomination trait , players spends many gems and Elementium to rank Jasastur

2- many bought nishant bodyguard just for her possession immunity skill !
3-hackesters owners , glitch etc

This is totally unacceptable , Carlos mention this only 2 months ago
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/post/21118

Unbelievable sp are really making decision like that as if the current chaos is not enough

WHY should i trust your word about coming ingenica and trait disable skills ,, maybe after spending gems to get her you will nerf her too and so on !

If they decide to go through with the Nerf to hackster and glitch I hope they are ready for a massive amount of refund requests I did not spend 4,482 gems on hackster so he can be used as nothing more than a gold rune farmer. He will become completely useless. Possession is Possession it is not Hacked, Glitched or Confused so a trait that is immune to possession should not all the sudden also be immune to hacked, glitched or confused just because you feel it's a good idea

In my opinion, this is a great idea. After the possession update, Hackster became way too overpowered. I hope it ends up happening.

That update "nerfed" a lot of monsters. Why not NORMALIZE Hackster a bit?? I have him, I use him. The update that made him OP ended up with me hating him for being an almost upstoppable denier that renders most monsters that exist useless.

@Szymon-Zin said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

In my opinion, this is a great idea. After the possession update, Hackster became way too overpowered. I hope it ends up happening.

That update "nerfed" a lot of monsters. Why not NORMALIZE Hackster a bit?? I have him, I use him. The update that made him OP ended up with me hating him for being an almost upstoppable denier that renders most monsters that exist useless.

If this is the case then they have few option
1- revert back those changes so we can charge again when possessed
2- introduce 1 turn possess immunity after being possessed like stun to break the continues cycle of possession

but selling monsters based on new trait then make the trait normal again ,, many call this fraud ,, you are happy cause of your scryb but look at the whole pic

@Szymon-Zin he's very easy to deal with - he has a terrible trait - just be faster than him and he is very easily denied. He has very high cooldowns so timmy deals with him well - he is virtually useless against any artifact monster. He's a very easy monster to deal with on defense. Just cause you have a hard time with him doesn't mean to nerf him. Blocking his main move completely by nearly 100 monsters is not a "normalization." A "normalization" may be that its hack + damage reduction.

Blocking a move completely is a major nerf to an advertised skill.

I don't feel like outspeeding a Hackster with over 10.000 speed. I don't want to max out an artifact just because that hamster exists. "My Scryb" Mhm. Thing is, before the update he could stop him. Now he can't. Besides, Scryb is not the only monster that got screwed over.

Why mine & others' 130s, even if they were just Scrybs should be damned just because you want your rudicilous auto-attack-win Machine you invested into to remain a power creep? A bad trait and "you can outspeed him!!" are not enough to consider him an all-good not OP at all monster.

I see 2 good ways out of this situation. Make "Hacked" let us choose what our monsters are going to do or nerf it completely by allowing the immunities to possession block the possession with a different name. Lol!

Hackster has NEVER been advertised as a monster that can possess possession-immune monster. It has always been a "bonus" that has never been announced in the game itself.

It's like with Kihaku now. Katsu Jinken always lands, even though it's supposed to be a 50%. (I'd like to add, I love Kihaku myself, because you seem to assume me being a "my monsters should rule yours should suck" person.)
So! If all of the sudden that skill actually becomes a 50%, will everyone rage?
"Hacked", "Corrupted" and such are renamed possession effects, everyone knows that. Why should they bypass the immunity? To me, it's the same as Oil Grease landing on an artifact. Hm. Would you say that it was fine, because oil grease isn't directly called a status effect and Artifact is an immunity to all status effects?

@Szymon-Zin said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

"Hacked", "Corrupted" and such are renamed possession effects, everyone knows that. Why should they bypass the immunity?

Cause sp said they would , and cause SP introduced Abomination only to block all kind of possession with sales after sales while this fact is our mind

I knew this would happen, mentioned it in the thread @Haka-Taka screencapped, I think it was a predictible disaster.

Carlos distinguising possession immunity trait and possession immunity skill was somewhat reassuring (allthough that was very short lived as warthak and abomination monsters soon gained immunity to "exclusive" possessions too) but it looks like this is gone out of the window now .

Why did you go out of your way to call it 5 different things if it was the same skill ??

Like I said in the earlier thread, if hacked was the same thing as possession we would have just ranked up NIshant's pet and called it a day, there was no need to bother with Hackster.

The change that made him "too OP" occurred two months ago (making the player lose control of his possessed/glitched/hacked monster) and it was YOUR choice to do it.

People who ranked up hackster or glitch deserve compensation if you go through with this change.

@Grim-Asylum

@Grim-Asylum said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

If they decide to go through with the Nerf to hackster and glitch I hope they are ready for a massive amount of refund requests I did not spend 4,482 gems on hackster so he can be used as nothing more than a gold rune farmer. He will become completely useless. Possession is Possession it is not Hacked, Glitched or Confused so a trait that is immune to possession should not all the sudden also be immune to hacked, glitched or confused just because you feel it's a good idea

All of those are just a different name and they do the same dang thing. There are monsters that are suppose to be Immune to possession and when Glitch and Hackster came out these monsters were no longer Immune to it. The only difference in the skill is what it was named. A lot of us paid for monsters that were Immune to possession and found ourselves with monsters that no longer were when Glitch and Hackster came out. So I say good for them if they make it across the board.

And why should you get a refund .. None of us who have had monsters in the past nerfed after we purchased them did.

If they do the same damn thing as you say they should have had the same damn name if that was the plan all along.

Poison and bleeding are "the same damn thing" too.

Glitch and hackster were selected for rank up for this very specific ability they had to bypass possession immunity, which by the way isn't exactly new. CYMO bypassed possession immunity too and he's one of the oldest monsters.

@tintum said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

If they do the same damn thing as you say they should have the same name if that was the plan all along.

Poison and bleeding are "the same damn thing" too.

Glitch and hackster were selected for rank up for this very specific ability they had to bypass possession immunity, which by the way isn't exactly new. CYMO bypassed possession immunity too and he's one of the oldest monsters.

Then I guess SP should start refunding money to everyone that they have nerfed monsters on in the past. There is always something they nerf or change after they get their money. But I have a couple monsters suppose to be immune to possession who end up possessed. Guess I would like my money and time given back to that I spent ranking and purchasing. Oh and all my food and gold I spent too.

@Suzznee
i think this is different Suzznee

Yes before player paid for possess-immune ,, then came another tyype of possess and those monsters became less-valuable then came new trait that can counter those new skills so ,so far it is normal evolution of the game and it is expected that every a while new monsters skills and trait will get older and make way to new ones but Sp should not reverse a progress they made as many paid to follow those changes

for example when vip came out they had bulwark trait which is more amazing the tough ,, it is not acceptable that for any bugs appear later vip trait is switched to tough ,,, we may see more amazing trait ---like nemesis -- but what was sold as bulward should keep its value as bulwark

If they want to ****** possession even more , no problem but what was sold as immune to all types of possession should keep its value as that

Based on the wording used in the game the only monsters that should be immune to "all types of possession" are artifacts and the Undertaker.

Why not just roll back the change y'all made to possession two months ago, making it too OP compared to other forms of denial? Because this is really stupid and I said verbatim you'd end up messing the game up that way, and here we are now.

@Haka-Taka I really was being a smart alex with my post Haka Taka sorry...

At the time possession was changed, I strongly recommended standardizing possession hand in hand with that change, since monsters like Hackster became far more powerful with possession style skills that could penetrate possession immunity trait.

But that horse has bolted.

It would be very unwise to make this change now. Players have made investments based on that earlier change to the meta. They can be justifiably unhappy and angry if the proposed change is implemented at this point.

A few comments:

I really wish that changes were thought through completely and implemented holistically rather than in a scattergun thought-bubble fashion. I grow tired of the continual dissatisfaction seething through the community, much of which could be avoided or reduced by adequate planning and impact analysis.

The costs involved in this game are too high to make experimental changes. If a player spends USD 120 for a ranked Hackster (assuming maximum discount on both monsters and gems: 225x18÷1700xUSD50), it is entirely to be expected that radically altering the reason for buying it (a couple of months after making a change that prompted its purchase, no less) will provoke outrage. If the prices were 1/10th of what they are then there is considerably more lattitude.

You fixed Magnetise ahead of Nishant's Bodyguard's Evasion??! Priorities?

@Haka-Taka Well... It was NOT announced in the game itself. That's something.

I do believe that if "hacked" was treated just like the normal possession from the start, Hackster would STILL be loved; a monster with 3476 speed, AOE possession that doesn't miss, AOE stun with 95% accuracy, single possession + double damage that doesn't miss and a single magnetize + Stop Time that also doesn't miss makes an incredible monster already. Why make the possession, especially with that update in mind bypass the immunity to it?

Edit: I agree. It is too late... Because SP realized how powerful Hackster is too late. But hey. They nerfed the harmless Yndra, also too late, so why not make some healthy (for the entire game) changes with the cost of receiving triple amount of rants and complaints for a couple of days?

SP, since you belong to the new american company and the brilliant/valuable people left you (mediocre people will stay be cause they have less chances to move) you are becoming a true disgrace.
It is difficult to drop more the level of quality. this evident greediness, lack of support, pathetic testing, removing slowly free gems for everyone, bugs everywhere but never stopping to develop more and more monsters, glitches and tolerance to the ones exploiting them for weeks (still no fix for the CHAOS we have in pvp due to relic bugs), etc etc etc
You are a shame and you are killing this game in a speed that really scares me.

@C0ntr1v3d said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

It would be very unwise to make this change now. Players have made investments based on that earlier change to the meta. They can be justifiably unhappy and angry if the proposed change is implemented at this point.

I think this is the predicament SP is now in. They made the costs to "level up" in this game way too high, which to me, had two major effects:

• Large disparity in individual and team strength (separation between those who spend and those who don't)
• Difficulty to re-balance elements of the game, since as @C0ntr1v3d said, changing the in-game value of something that costed a few bucks is received by the players quite differently than something that costed $20-50, or more!

At this point I'm not really sure what they can do to dig themselves out of that hole, and maybe they've had discussions about it and decided to just milk the game as long as possible. Or perhaps they've not discussed it at all, who knows.

The introduction of relics (which an earlier @Carlos comment seemed to imply that it wasn't going to be another P2W race for power) and especially the distribution method being a gacha I think is just digging deeper.

I really wish that changes were thought through completely and implemented holistically rather than in a scattergun thought-bubble fashion. I grow tired of the continual dissatisfaction seething through the community, much of which could be avoided or reduced by adequate planning and impact analysis.

Absolutely this! I was so disappointed to learn that SP had not really mapped out all monsters in to books with fairly equal representation before the roll out of books, thereby changing the values of monsters all over again. This lack of planning (and testing!) seems to be par for the course right now though, sadly.

On a bright note, at least there are somewhat more patch/change notes in the game...

@Szymon-Zin said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

@Haka-Taka Well... It was NOT announced in the game itself. That's something.

I do believe that if "hacked" was treated just like the normal possession from the start, Hackster would STILL be loved; a monster with 3476 speed, AOE possession that doesn't miss, AOE stun with 95% accuracy, single possession + double damage that doesn't miss and a single magnetize + Stop Time that also doesn't miss makes an incredible monster already. Why make the possession, especially with that update in mind bypass the immunity to it?

Edit: I agree. It is too late... Because SP realized how powerful Hackster is too late. But hey. They nerfed the harmless Yndra, also too late, so why not make some healthy (for the entire game) changes with the cost of receiving triple amount of rants and complaints for a couple of days?

Because it’s more than rants for a few days. It’s people leaving the game and quitting spending on the game too. I’ve been a pretty heavy cash player for 9 months and just recently quit after the many bugs, glitches, and hastily rolled out products. At some point hasty implementation, with massive sweeping changes later, makes people quit playing the game out of frustration. There is a massive erosion of trust for me that could never be restored. Why should I invest in something that is completely opposite fewer than 3 months later?

@jacinto said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

SP, since you belong to the new american company and the brilliant/valuable people left you (mediocre people will stay be cause they have less chances to move) you are becoming a true disgrace.
It is difficult to drop more the level of quality. this evident greediness, lack of support, pathetic testing, removing slowly free gems for everyone, bugs everywhere but never stopping to develop more and more monsters, glitches and tolerance to the ones exploiting them for weeks (still no fix for the CHAOS we have in pvp due to relic bugs), etc etc etc
You are a shame and you are killing this game in a speed that really scares me.

Don't blame it on an American Company. Take Two is in Spain. :P

@C0ntr1v3d said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

I really wish that changes were thought through completely and implemented holistically rather than in a scattergun thought-bubble fashion. I grow tired of the continual dissatisfaction seething through the community, much of which could be avoided or reduced by adequate planning and impact analysis.

I agreed with this statement 100%. Far too many changes and adding in new functionality that is not tested or mapped out. A simple flowchart, use-case testing would go a long way . The changes really need to slow down - we would much rather have one set of new monsters a month that are all 100% tested and maybe one new feature every 3 months than this mess. At this point you can't even call it a game - it's just a complete mess. Look at PVP - mess. Look at wars with maxed diamond relics vs teams with zero relics - mess. Look at new monsters - mess.

@C0ntr1v3d said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

The costs involved in this game are too high to make experimental changes. If a player spends USD 120 for a ranked Hackster (assuming maximum discount on both monsters and gems: 225x18÷1700xUSD50), it is entirely to be expected that radically altering the reason for buying it (a couple of months after making a change that prompted its purchase, no less) will provoke outrage. If the prices were 1/10th of what they are then there is considerably more lattitude.

Couldn't have said it better myself - if i paid even $10-20 for my full rank Hackster and Glitch - I wouldn't be nearly as concerned. That's the part that I feel keeps getting lost in these disagreements.

Drastically lower the prices of the game then by all means feel free to A/B test on your end users.

In my opinion it would not have been hard to test Undertaker against the all the possessors - could have been narrowed down in an hour as to what worked and what didn't against his trait and then performed the required development needed to make his trait as described. Now they are taking a shortcut and saying oh lets change 6-12 month old monsters cause its a quick fix for Undertaker. Not good.

Prior to 5.8 update these changes should have been 100% nailed down it seems like someone had an idea in a meeting, sounded good, implemented then work backwards trying to fix - then rolled 6.0 on top of it. I think most of us are getting very concerned about QA, development and testing procedures - most of this stuff is not complex programming - it's updating some key value pairs in a database.

Any talk of a new feature right now and I'm extremely concerned.

We can argue about whether Hackster is too OP or not but i would first look at the nemesis monsters before jumping on the little rodent. The main debate here I think is the principle.

Wow...I really hated the unnecessary boost possession got recently with the AI choosing the option for you. I can understand grouping all the "Exclusive" possessions together, but lol, what's the point of grouping all possessions together...? Why even bother giving it the op-ed boost, in the first place..?! Hey, funny people at SP, we're not buying, gems, monsters, relics, runes etc using Monopoly money you know, it's hard earned cash for a game we used to enjoy playing...well, luckily, you're only asking for feedback...if you (SP) decide to push this through, expect each & every one of us asking for our money back at full costs, & we'll expect to keep our monsters too! 😂 Hilarious...joking about grouping all possessions together...yes, do that, when you've actually succeeded in killing off the game & chased off all your player base. Why would you even consider doing such a thing, when most monsters that have possession skills tend to meet up in similar categories... what's the point, if they're all just immune to each other..? Please, just fix the bugs & everything else that's broken first, before meddling with things that are working. Is the Uriel relic bug fixed yet? Is Nishant's bodyguard's Evasion fixed yet?...please fix what's broken... don't break, what's already fixed.

I don't this this is a good idea. It's also very confusing that they are now calling this a "bug" when it has obviously been an intentional perk to skills like hack and reboot. Changing this now is a major nerf to Hackster and Glitch. Glitch will now be a pretty bad monster in the dark element. Hackster now loses one of the main reasons he's actually useful. He already shares the book and element of Timerion and other artifacts, who cannot be affected by his controls skills. Hackster does almost no damage and has a really bad trait, so this just takes away from what makes him good.

@Szymon-Zin for me if they really gives immune to all types of possession its horrible since i'm a glitch ( monster ) user and i had spent gems to rank it up now he will be pretty much sucks since he doesnt have aoe possess i mean most ppl buy monster for the skill that they have so thats why a lot of ppl wanted a refund i guess

now here's a fair suggestion to socialpoint:
you want to nerf away the one and only unique ability of a monster you marketed the monster for? FINE! then go ahead and offer everyone who has it a refund of 2.3k gems (=that's the regular price of legendaries, isn't it?!) per copy and everyone will be fine ;)

I don't understand all these different control skills anyway. There is literally no need for stuff like Trolled, Corrupted etc. They need to be removed from the game to stop confusing people.

Control skills should be: Stun, Mega Stun, Possession, Mega Possession, Freeze, Mega Freeze, Hacked.

Possession immune monsters will finally be immune to all kinds of possessions as intend.
Finally a real 'balancing' change!! WTG SP 👍🏼

@WYSINWYG said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

Possession immune monsters will finally be immune to all kinds of possessions as intend.
Finally a real 'balancing' change!! WTG SP 👍🏼

It will not call it a balance after Sp said very clear that they are not doing this and promote the selling of Abomination trait monsters

IF this change was made before Abomination appearance then yes but don't sell something advertising that it can ----exclusively --- do this and to find later that this is not true

@Haka-Taka What's so special about Abomination?

@Clackers
It block normal possession and exclusive possession ( hacked , glitched , rebooted etc )

this is why many ranked nightmare island monsters cause of trait

Common practice for SP. I paid loads of gems back in the day to rank my monster that was immune to possession (trait being the main reason) only to have them add all these possession skills with a new name. You would probably complain if the added Chilled, Numbed & Icy which of course will just be Freeze so Freeze Immune monsters can be frozen.

Any monster immune to possession Should be IMMUNE to possession skills period. This fix is long overdue as was the fix to Possession allowing you to control you monster/s by just charging and thereby avoiding actually losing control of your monster/s.

I just got a nice reply from SP support saying tough luck, you won't get anything in return for us "fixing" the problem. I want my 4482 gems back please! I am not even gonna bother about the tonnes of food and time taken to get there, but that sucks too!!!

I can understand people's frustration, but why would Hackster be useless now? He still has 3 different forms of denial. There aren't many monsters who can resist all.

this is bull, what is the point of spending on monsters anymore when you know they can be changed after they get their money of it.

This company is becoming very shady, just like all the bug fixes that have been talked about for the past year.

Perfect example is Nautilus, they have been saying that he will be fixed for months now but have a feeling they are still getting way too much money for him and only will do it once that stops.

Seriously how hard can it be.

@Ekto-Gamat When metal monsters (maybe the Metal Nemesis) have a trait immune to Hacked then Hackster will be less impressive anyway.

@Clackers that's fair play. Nerfing what I have paid for sucks big time.

Is it the legal? I mean this is just a game but we are spending real money to get some monster for some specific skills or traits , and then they just decide to nerf them whenever they want too. SP is a company we are the customer, is like going to a shop, purchasing a expensive tv and then after a while they come to our house and breaks it. WTF are we just gonna accept everything they are doing to us? Well I believe legally they can’t do it. If they nerf hackster I will want my money back, not gems... MONEY, I am sick of being cheated by them, I spent about 150 euros to rank a monster, and like somebody said here is not Monopoly money, it’s a very hard earned money. There is just one name for this... FRAUD

@ibobs72 said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

I just got a nice reply from SP support saying tough luck, you won't get anything in return for us "fixing" the problem. I want my 4482 gems back please! I am not even gonna bother about the tonnes of food and time taken to get there, but that sucks too!!!

They have not made this change yet and it sounds like they may not do it at all so I wouldn't advise contacting support on the matter yet.

This thread is to try and sway them from making the change - as you can see on the link above about the change the verbiage has been updated.

I agree with Haka - this isn't just about Hackster or Glitch as monsters - it's also about the monsters that have been released since then that are supposed to block ALL forms of possession - this was a selling feature. Yes sure hackster is still good and maybe they shouldn't have the different types of possessions but the main point is to break this cycle of releasing new monsters with new traits and skills and nerfing old ones to make the new ones work.

@amort3k said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

I agree with Haka - this isn't just about Hackster or Glitch as monsters - it's also about the monsters that have been released since then that are supposed to block ALL forms of possession - this was a selling feature. Yes sure hackster is still good and maybe they shouldn't have the different types of possessions but the main point is to break this cycle of releasing new monsters with new traits and skills and nerfing old ones to make the new ones work.

Excatly , Personally i have no ranked Hackster or glitch .. the 2 ranked monster i have releating to possession is nishant pet and baba yaga and both will be better if they can block special possession as well but wrong is just simply wrong ,,, even if i will benefit from it

Hackster will remain as the second best metal/mechanical denile monster. He was useless against Timerion anyway. People say he sucks now. Lol! He still has a 95% acurracy area stun, a single stop time and an improved version of Mechamancer's Devotion.

Glitch... It would be better that way. Even if it was a normal possession, it still gives triple damage to the target; it's a stupidly powerful skill if successfully used against the enemy attacker. The "No Escape Thing" is like an unneded bonus. I realize people ranked these monsters for easy victories, however I do believe a compensation + keep the monster would do the job. Less for Glitch, because his cells were handed out a bunch of times, so... Yeah...

@ibobs72 said in Hack and Corruption Nerf:

I just got a nice reply from SP support saying tough luck, you won't get anything in return for us "fixing" the problem. I want my 4482 gems back please! I am not even gonna bother about the tonnes of food and time taken to get there, but that sucks too!!!

Referring back to the post that Carlos made two months ago, this is not a problem that needs to be fixed.

Does Carlos represent SP? Here is a quote from his post only two months ago...

"We are not planning unifiying all Possesions in one. Easiest solution but also not fair."

So even SP admits that doing this wouldn't be fair but they are going to do it anyway?

Not very ethical on SP's part.

@Szymon-Zin for hackster its not a big nerf but for glitch i think its more fair to give refund,glitch possesion doesnt always hit it isnt even an aoe sure it gives twice dmg to the enemy but it will be hard for glitch to possess general bulwark,hardened and some other nemesis trait his ddos skill is not really great and the other skill is not good either
Plus rip those who bought monster with abomination SP should refund them too and cells being offered a couple times doesnt mean less refund since it still cost gems

Whilst it doesn't really affect me, I'd claim refunds through my app provider (Google, Apple) as this tends to be easier or last resort through bank, ie. chargeback on credit card. There is no way that I would let them nullify my $120 or whatever it is per monster investment. It may actually be illegal in some countries as it may constitute a breach in consumer laws!!!

I'm honestly against the idea! What's the point of Abomination and Gravedigger if you do this change? Make skills that give immunity to possession block exclusive possessions too, but leave the trait alone!