I am so fed up complaining to support about the VERY poor matchmaking in the pvp. I think runes and relics should be shown before an attack. Does anybody care? I am bottom gold 1 I have 2 lvl 10 speed runes but only time I can win is a revenge. I really hate pvp but only way to get some maze coins.

@shazzy You need to embrace the new era of peace that we live in. You are not supposed to start a battle, but you can end them. By this I mean, fight only revenge battles. Every once in while, you will see a team that is close to your level and you can fight a non-revenge fight, but otherwise that is all I do anymore. Also I try to only fight when my shield is down. The only time I purposely take my shield down is when I have so many revenge battles available, that the old get removed from the queue.

@Kaiju true. The best way to defend is to lure people in.
You put 115-120 monsters on D so you look like a good target when the rest of their options all are 130 nemesis/hackster/kihaiku/etc.
then put all level 10 runes on those monsters and your best relics and hope you win by surprise on defense.

Try battling the players that gives you the lowest trophy when you win regardless of the monsters level, most of the time their runes are low, at least that works for me. Keep an eye on those trophy win/loss. I hate to say it but PVP matchmaking is quiet balance if you asked me. What's not balance in my opinion is the war matchmaking.

@TheSwedishHippo said in I hate the PvP. Should Show Runes and Relics:

Try battling the players that gives you the lowest trophy when you win regardless of the monsters level, most of the time their runes are low, at least that works for me. Keep an eye on those trophy win/loss. I hate to say it but PVP matchmaking is quiet balance if you asked me.

I disagree. When the trophies I will win are 27+, odds are the combination of runes and level will mean I don't go first. Even 26 trophies is a gamble. As I move towards the middle of G1, the trophy count increases. I quickly get to the point where even the 25-26 trophy teams out-level me by at least 20 levels.

@testcyp said in I hate the PvP. Should Show Runes and Relics:

@Kaiju true. The best way to defend is to lure people in.
You put 115-120 monsters on D so you look like a good target when the rest of their options all are 130 nemesis/hackster/kihaiku/etc.
then put all level 10 runes on those monsters and your best relics and hope you win by surprise on defense.

I wish I had those kinds of monsters. Most of the monsters that I have at my highest level, 110, are breedable legendaries or epics, not the kind of monsters I want to put on defense. X level runes, I have one. Hoping to get a second one this month.

@Kaiju said in I hate the PvP. Should Show Runes and Relics:

I quickly get to the point where even the 25-26 trophy teams out-level me by at least 20 levels.

I don't see what part you are not agreeing with me..
Is it the part where beating low level trophy reward is easier?
Or the part where I said that most high-level monsters have low level runes?

In my case, they are mostly about lvl 4-6.

Here you see I won against Darkzul lvl 120
*https://imgur.com/a/6StYV

And these are the runes:
https://imgur.com/xgCa8ha

Either PVP is quite balance or Im just lucky in what opponent i face.

@TheSwedishHippo The runes. When I fight regular PVP battles (not revenge attacks) the runes are usually what kills me. I can risk it if the enemy team does not have ranked monsters, but if they do odds are the runes are also better. Even if they are not ranked, the odds of my winning a PVP that returns 27 or 28 trophies (that's the highest I see) are REALLY low.

Also you seriously out ranked the team you mentioned, even with the level 120 Darkzgul. Your legendaries are better monsters AND highly ranked themselves. If you add up just the ranked levels of the monsters on the two teams, you have 40, they have 30. So I think you have an advantage. Plus if you are runed for speed, you would probably wipeout the Darkzgul before it had a chance to do much.

@Kaiju Oh that's why.. I see your point, I also can't beat opponents that gives 27-28 trophies when you win unless I get to do special attacks. That's why you see in the screenshot that I only got +24 trophies.

The OP's problem here is that he need to win PVP in order to have maze coins, so the best I can suggest is to battle opponents with the lowest trophy to give when you win.. Sorry being unclear earlier

@TheSwedishHippo said in I hate the PvP. Should Show Runes and Relics:

The OP's problem here is that he need to win PVP in order to have maze coins, so the best I can suggest is to battle opponents with the lowest trophy to give when you win.. Sorry being unclear earlier

He can also get maze coins from revenge battles.

@Kaiju Yes, and doing revenge gives you the lowest trophy, approximately 15. Thus battling the lowest trophy (revenge) is the best way to win those precious fifteen coins.

Not sure because I haven't encountered it but can revenge give you more than 20 trophies?

@TheSwedishHippo said in I hate the PvP. Should Show Runes and Relics:

Not sure because I haven't encountered it but can revenge give you more than 20 trophies?

Sometimes it does, I am not sure why.

@Kaiju I would show you my pvp defense but then you might hunt me down and beat me lol.

Yeah just get those revenge in for the maze coins. I don’t bother with them and just figure I won’t be getting max coins every 4 hours anyway.

@testcyp said in I hate the PvP. Should Show Runes and Relics:

@Kaiju I would show you my pvp defense but then you might hunt me down and beat me lol.

HAHA! I'm looking for you! In all of the time I have played, I have run into ONE person from the forums.

Hi Everyone Thanks for your fun and serious ideas. Unfortunately tried most in terms of defense. @Kaiju I usually only do revenges too but had none and it was a maze discount. Just needed 5 more coins for important move. Lost every single attack. So no coins no move.

Something I look for when attacking a team is -

Did they spend any money on their monsters? If they're all either war coin monsters or race monsters I figure they haven't spent money on runes either.

@Skeller Tried that idea 2 Thanks but when you're desperate to get maze coins I NEVER get reasonable matches for attacks. Usually L4s even though I'm low lvl gold 1.

@Kaiju said in I hate the PvP. Should Show Runes and Relics:

HAHA! I'm looking for you! In all of the time I have played, I have run into ONE person from the forums.

You may run into me soon, I'm getting closer to Gold 1 thanks to Faraday. But I wouldn't attack a team member, just out of courtesy. LOL