Hi everyone,

as you may have noticed in the What's to come in 2018 topic we will be focusing on improvements specifically for Team Wars.

What would YOU like to see in Team Wars? Is there something you would like to change, add or remove?
Let us know!!

Here are some past ideas from the awesome players on this forum:
Check them out to see what has been already said and maybe it will inspire you as well:

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/4031/team-war-suggestions
UI improvements, new flters

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/4571/coins-war-of-teams
War coins reward distributed to team members by the number of attacks they did.

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3443/team-war-island-position/2
Inconsistency of island placement in TW

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3045/team-wars-survival-dungeon-format
TW survival dungeon idea

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1135/max-level-100-team-wars-please
TW restriction-max lvl 100

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1593/war-matchmaking-discussion-and-suggested-solutions
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/339/new-matchmaking-algorithm/106
TW matchmaking and suggested solutions

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3239/being-able-to-see-if-players-currently-have-timers-before-adding-them-to-your-team/6
Be able to see if players have a timer before inviting them to the team

@Fox , I've got to be honest & say, most of us play ML because of team wars...it's format, works as it is. I'm not interested in "punishing" players who do not do the all their attacks or extra rewards or anything else that's petty...after all, we can kick players after the war, sometimes their reasons are more than reasonably valid...had a team mate caught up in the recent hurricane Irma, he still has problems occasionally with his internet connection, I wouldn't want to have players innocently penalised by "acts of God"...please, let's "keep things simple". Most of the time, I don't know which part of the world players come from, nor what problems may cause their missed attacks, giving the benefit of the doubt is always my preferred option, after all, we can always kick serial offenders.

Bring back all rarities.

Adjust war coin loot based on disparity between the teams' MP.

@Fox said in Team Wars improvements:

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/4571/coins-war-of-teams
War coins reward distributed to team members by the number of attacks they did.

No, reward distribution is fine as it is. I'd like to see a loyalty bonus for being with the same team for a certain amount of time. Maybe in three increments of 5% to a max of 15% It would certainly reduce team jumping!

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3443/team-war-island-position/2
Inconsistency of island placement in TW

This would only be possible if you allow PvP defence monsters to be used for team wars. Ever since this has been introduced, we have found more often very strong bases at the lower islands. It's stupid anyway as everybody just swaps them when rules require it. It serves no purpose, except to annoy players!

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3045/team-wars-survival-dungeon-format
TW survival dungeon idea

Interesting concept, could work!

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1135/max-level-100-team-wars-please
TW restriction-max lvl 100

Yes please, as special wars. Ideally with a duration of a week or so rather than the normal 4 days, i.e. more than 1-2 wars.

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1593/war-matchmaking-discussion-and-suggested-solutions
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/339/new-matchmaking-algorithm/106
TW matchmaking and suggested solutions

Definitely needs improvement. In particular now with all the Nemesis. You just can't win against them with regular monsters. We are just fighting a team with Lvl 130 Nemesis and you can't even beat them with all Lvl 130 full X runed regular monsters (even VIPs barely give you an edge), except by sheer luck. Teams that have a combined No of Nemesis of 100 shouldn't fight against a team that has only 10!!!

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/3239/being-able-to-see-if-players-currently-have-timers-before-adding-them-to-your-team/6
Be able to see if players have a timer before inviting them to the team

Yes please, should be easy enough to display that next to the applicant. Highly annoying if you take someone in for a new war and then discover that they have a 18 hour timer!!!

AND I would love to see average war coins won per war in player stats. Not total as it is now, individual!

Nice that you considered my Survival Format!

I think also gems need to be rewarded instead of war coins. The whole Team Shop thing is so out of date now, you need to move on and update the concept.

At least make new exclusive monsters just for Team Shop (not related to Generals or Bodyguards or Pets). Maybe the Team Shop can the only place we can find "Gangs of ML"?

Make matchmaking everyday at same time (force). So you can more easily pick up fair opponents. Fair means by numbef of nemesis monsters, number of runes, number of relics (amd relics level), monster power

@Fox If war matching was better for a start. In our old team our 400k monsterpower was constantly matched to teams with 600k to 800k. We made a whole new team to try and get some fair matching.

@Fox I would also toss in the following:

Low priority:
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/753/team-war-my-team-monster-power
More options for monster power selection to be able to join a team.

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/4457/team-zeppelin-my-team-update
Have this page update so that you don't have to exit and re-enter.

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/4489/reason-for-being-kicked
Add a reason for people who get kicked.

Medium priority
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/2541/average-war-coins-per-battle
Better stats on how many war coins both teams are earning per battle.

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/1837/leads-and-or-co-s-should-be-able-to-make-the-decision-who-s-in-war
Leads and Co-leads get to pick who is an observer for any war.

@Fox Consider a shorter time for the 'prep' stage of wars. 24 hours is too long for my team...we'd prefer a much shorter prep time so we can have more frequent wars.

Establish a short list of possible prep times: 1 hour, 4 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours (default)

Have a Team setting where lead check which prep times are acceptable for the team (if they do nothing it's the default of 24 hours)

When starting a war, initiating team selects the prep time for that particular war. If they choose something shorter than 24 hours, then only teams opted into that time would be a possible match.

Another idea is Fast Wars. 4 hours prep, 4 hours of fighting. You can only use a particular monster one time per war.

@David-Bjurman-Birr said in Team Wars improvements:

Establish a short list of possible prep times: 1 hour, 4 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours (default)

Have a Team setting where lead check which prep times are acceptable for the team

??? What about the other team?

@Dewei said in Team Wars improvements:

Make matchmaking everyday at same time (force). So you can more easily pick up fair opponents. Fair means by numbef of nemesis monsters, number of runes, number of relics (amd relics level), monster power

You know we all life in different time-zones so which is a nice time slot for you could be terrible for others

@C0ntr1v3d

Yes, what Contrived said. All rarities back in wars. War coin rewards based on Team MP. I’m on a strong team. If we crush a weak team—their war coin intake should increase based on team MP differential ratio.

Semi-related: it would be nice if the team war shop contained something I wanted. 30,000 plus war coins and increasing—but there’s nothing to use them on. I don’t know, relics?

@Marianne-van-Es said in Team Wars improvements:

@David-Bjurman-Birr said in Team Wars improvements:

Establish a short list of possible prep times: 1 hour, 4 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours (default)

Have a Team setting where lead check which prep times are acceptable for the team

??? What about the other team?

I like the idea of a shorter prep time. Given the matchmaking problems that exist, I would suggest that there be only two options, otherwise it will make the pool of possible team too small. The other team is not at any disadvantage @Marianne-van-Es because they would have opted into the same shorter prep times themselves.

@Kaiju Ok didnt read it like that, but that would mean that the strongest teams earn more coins in shorter time in my eyes

1-Faster animation or -- less preferably -- longer team war battle time limit
with new state effects animation and relic animation battles are taking longer now . and relics animation is really slow as if it is teaching us what is happening but after a while it is a very time consuming .. so fast anmation option or even no animation for faster and smother performance e

2- regarding all R war restriction or level 100 one --- i have also topic about rune less restriction idea -- make the duration longer .. when it is rare for 2 wars or so many skip this as it is not worth moving the rune . but if event is longer and we usually move a rune or 2 for regular war then yes lets move them for r

How about having 'vanilla' special war where not just the extra ranks are disabled but also the runes and you fight with the monster's basic stats? I can imagine that something VERY interesting as it would remove all strength disparities between teams except for the use of VIPs and Nemesis. Strategy and tactics would define the winner, not rank and rune levels, ie. brute force!

@Marianne-van-Es said in Team Wars improvements:

@Dewei said in Team Wars improvements:

Make matchmaking everyday at same time (force). So you can more easily pick up fair opponents. Fair means by numbef of nemesis monsters, number of runes, number of relics (amd relics level), monster power

You know we all life in different time-zones so which is a nice time slot for you could be terrible for others

There are several possible solutions:

1. Start each hour at 00 minutes
2. Change cooldowns so people can sleep 8 hours without loosing attack. War is 24h long and cooldown is 5 h. You can loose 1 attack if you are active except night. There are two ways - to change it decrease or increase cooldowns. For example if we want people to sleep at least 8 hours we can do (24-8) / 4 = 4 hours cooldown. If increase - I would choose 8 hours

@Marianne-van-Es we have players in the USA/Canada/Italy/India! Short Prep & Attack Days would not work for us!

@Fox the biggest problem we find is the insane algorithm! For the last month, we are "matched" with Teams with Level 100 monsters on 18-20/25 or 20-25/30 Defense Bases! Our lowest Level Teammate is Level 31/MP 700 to the high (me) Level 115/95,840! The next closest teammate is Level 70/MP 10,768! We have 8 teammates under MP 1,000! We tried keeping lower Levels but it is like the ML algorithm drops them completely! Getting matched against some of these Teams are hard to even win even though 50% or more of the Team is inactive! I think a Team should be required to have a minimum of 75% of their players active! We went against one Team that only had 3 active players & checking the Stats, they had been the only ones active in their last 10 Wars!

I would also love to see the minimum monster power fixed at 300/600/900/1200/1500 etc.! Every time I recruit & ask for minimum 300 MP, I get 15-20 "Candidate" Levels 20 & under & some have 150 MP or less! This makes a huge difference with the crazy Teams we get matched against!

@MamawJane also a good point not to change the prep day time

From the reactions so far I can say that Team Wars is mostly fine as it is., except for the Match Making, which could still be improved. Many sensible suggestions have been made already over the past year, so I will not repeat that here.

On a regular basis however, Untamable is matched to teams that have members who all have 10 race monsters available, but not the runes, relics or experience that should come with this number of lvl 115 monsters. So bad match making is at least partly also caused by too many teams exploiting the mazes in the rules and jumping to race teams every race.

@Ekto-Gamat fixing the race exploits would also massively reduce many problems with Team Wars, including matchmaking!!! The damage the race is doing to the game mechanics is severely underestimated by most players and SP....

As per @Ekto-Gamat 's statement on team races, many of these race teams have ranked team race monsters but are green on the use of runes & relics that are useful, so, they've now got higher MPs that throw them into tougher wars...still, hard to find any empathy for them, as they're flitting about finding the easiest team race that'll win them these monsters that end up at almost equal or stronger than a lvl 120 monster when they're boosted. Sorry, if I've digressed, but I meant to say, that team races play a big part in issues causing mismatched wars.

@Marianne-van-Es said in Team Wars improvements:

@Kaiju Ok didnt read it like that, but that would mean that the strongest teams earn more coins in shorter time in my eyes

That might be true, but I would look at it in this regard: 1) the teams that are best at communicating or coordinating would do better with shorter prep days, 2) team might focus their membership into certain time zones to take advantage of this.

@Fox , if you're serious about team wars improvements & this thread is genuine, sort out the rampant abuse of team races & the ridiculous amount of these races we've had in the last couple of months. Team race events are bringing out the worst in the game, & team wars, truly brought out what's best in ML...(sigh)

@C0ntr1v3d said in Team Wars improvements:

Bring back all rarities.

Ugh, no. I like never seeing common and uncommon in wars anymore. Almost always limits your max coins to 2 per battle.

@ss13 I sooo agree with you but guess almost too late for me and my team. RELICS just made it worse. Pvp is no fun since season 4. Matching is soo bad and SP encourage race teams by having endless races

Hi everyone,

Thank you for all the great ideas you shared. I am sharing this thread with the team to have a look and decide on the next steps.
The discussion has been super helpful!

If anything else comes to your mind, please, post it here and I will make sure everybody reads it :).

@ss13 Well that's not us and still we get ridiculous war matches. WHY is it so hard when this has been a problem for sooo long. Who cares about new monsters and relics and other money spinners when team wars are what I thought this game was about and soo bad. For 6 months the matching has been so bad

@Fox Can the team war matching REALLY be fixed. Have no idea about computer programming a game BUT this is so important.

@Fox I gave this a bit more thought and I'd like to add the following:

Improvements to war log stats:

• summary page, please add a decimal point to average coins per attack as whole numbers mean nothing during close wars in particular

• war events, please add base number to player names and show runes used on monsters. It's really hard sometimes to tell whether a player is bottom feeding or why a player lost a battle!

Improvements to player stats in Top Contributers:

• Retain stats for cell donation. Currently when you leave team and come back, your number of attacks and attacks used remain, but your cell donations are erased.

• add average war coins earned per war, ie. max 15 coins. Currently in profile it only shows total coins for whole team which means nothing!

All the above will make it easier to a) judge performance of players and b) help players to make better choices with their attack teams.

I hope the "max level 100" idea isn't being considered. I could see a lot of people quitting if that happened. Players have put a lot of work into ranking monsters and I don't see the issue here. Weaker players and teams may not have ranked monsters yet, but that's why they should be matched with other teams of similar skill. It sounds like someone may have been frustrated with getting matched with a higher level team and suggested this, but that sounds more like a match making issue than a monster ranking issue.

@Boris said in Team Wars improvements:

I hope the "max level 100" idea isn't being considered. I could see a lot of people quitting if that happened. Players have put a lot of work into ranking monsters and I don't see the issue here. Weaker players and teams may not have ranked monsters yet, but that's why they should be matched with other teams of similar skill. It sounds like someone may have been frustrated with getting matched with a higher level team and suggested this, but that sounds more like a match making issue than a monster ranking issue.

I actually think a war with no runes, no relics and all level 100 would be interesting.

@Boris This has nothing to do with bad matchmaking. A war like that would enable you to use any monster you like. You can try out new things with new skills because you are not limited to the few ranked and runed monsters on your roster. I think it would actually lead to some players investing in monsters that they have previously ignored. It would bring back diversity albeit only for a couple of wars!!! I'd love to have the odd round of 'Vanilla Wars'

@David-ML said in Team Wars improvements:

@Boris This has nothing to do with bad matchmaking. A war like that would enable you to use any monster you like. You can try out new things with new skills because you are not limited to the few ranked and runed monsters on your roster. I think it would actually lead to some players investing in monsters that they have previously ignored. It would bring back diversity albeit only for a couple of wars!!! I'd love to have the odd round of 'Vanilla Wars'

I assumed it meant all wars would be like that, but if it's a rare/special thing, then I wouldn't really mind.

@Fox And our current situation reminded me of something else that was brought up before:

It would be fantastic if we could 'bench' players. The bench could be filled with a maximum of 5 players which do not participate in wars but are associated with the team and can use in-game chat. This would be extremely useful when the team isn't a multiple of 5. So if you are 27 and want to start a war, you can select 2 players to sit out rather than let the system decide. Also, if you could have those 5 places in addition to the maximum 30 players in a team, then you could accept players who have applied to the team before the war has finished. It is extremely frustrating if you want/need to replace a player, see a good applicant and when the war is over he is gone! Obviously when a benched player leaves the team, he/she won't have a cooldown....

@David-ML said in Team Wars improvements:

@Fox And our current situation reminded me of something else that was brought up before:

It would be fantastic if we could 'bench' players. The bench could be filled with a maximum of 5 players which do not participate in wars but are associated with the team and can use in-game chat. This would be extremely useful when the team isn't a multiple of 5. So if you are 27 and want to start a war, you can select 2 players to sit out rather than let the system decide. Also, if you could have those 5 places in addition to the maximum 30 players in a team, then you could accept players who have applied to the team before the war has finished. It is extremely frustrating if you want/need to replace a player, see a good applicant and when the war is over he is gone! Obviously when a benched player leaves the team, he/she won't have a cooldown....

Our team would love to see this. Currently our leader rotates who sits and they are kicked from the team before a war is started then they rejoin after. Of course during races we must either not do any wars or let the AI decide, neither option is ideal so to be able to bench without kicking members would be great.

@David-ML said in Team Wars improvements:

@Fox And our current situation reminded me of something else that was brought up before:

It would be fantastic if we could 'bench' players. The bench could be filled with a maximum of 5 players which do not participate in wars but are associated with the team and can use in-game chat. This would be extremely useful when the team isn't a multiple of 5. So if you are 27 and want to start a war, you can select 2 players to sit out rather than let the system decide. Also, if you could have those 5 places in addition to the maximum 30 players in a team, then you could accept players who have applied to the team before the war has finished. It is extremely frustrating if you want/need to replace a player, see a good applicant and when the war is over he is gone! Obviously when a benched player leaves the team, he/she won't have a cooldown....

This would be very useful. When people leave or need to be kicked, it can often take hours of recruiting to make sure we have a multiple five. There are some who could probably use a break or work on their monsters, but leaving it up to the game to exclude people doesn't always work out.

To add to this idea to make it even more useful, I think we should also be able to add more than 30 players to the team (but it would force you to bench enough so that only 30 would fight in the war). This would work as a sort of waiting list for people who want to join. A lot of times, if someone needs to be kicked or wants to take a break, we have to wait until the war ends to recruit. But if we could add people to a waiting list, it would get rid of this problem. This would also allow us to add people who apply after we already started a war of 30 and be able to talk to them about joining. Leaving them in the applicant queue almost never works because they'll move on to another team.

I don't remember if this was brought up, but more stability in war. I have been trying to reform my team, but I have been unable to preform attacks for the past few wars (and I am one who likes to lead by example). Before it was really only being disconnected, but ever since the newest update, it's been crashing every single time. Always a minute or so after I tap the war button when a war is going on, I crash. I don't know if some new bug was accidentally made in the new update, but that's my best guess.

Cooee @Fox 1st half the year is almost over and nothing has happened, except that you have created the worst matchmaking algorithm to date and still haven't fixed the ranking issue. Heaps of players keep on complaining about extremely skewed matches and excessive search times on top of it. In our desperation, we joined one of the matchmaking groups on FB where we found that most top & mid ranking teams have this issue. Needless to say that we quickly gave up on this again....

This thread is full of great suggestions. I suggest you get your people to have a closer look at it, BUT ABOVE ALL:

FIX THE RANKING AND RETURN MATCHMAKING TO WHAT IT WAS!!!!

PLEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When attacking someone in war there will be just coins you get showing after. I find it very annoying to not be able to see how many coins those bases i have attacked got left.

Maybe just me but i think a little change there would make the overall experience a little better .

@Fox Only thing needs improving in my mind is fixing the books. I've mentioned it to Carlos before here, but some books are WAY too bloated (Good and Evil Legions) and some are absolutely worthless in a war. I think some of the books need to be entirely replaced. Having better balance to the books will bring more complexity to Team Wars.