Hi everyone,

Please, feel free to discuss the last nemesis event in this thread.
You can find all the information in the following thread: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/5128/the-last-nemesis-talos-brothers-event.

Thank you.
Fox

How can a vip breeding event appear 3 times. I have all VIPs at 130 and I have spend a fortune on them. Is that cuz VIPs are old/weak compared to nemesis monsters? Keep in mind that some people have paid lots to get them. This is dumb. Ppl like this type of events because 99% of them have not paid what some have paid on this game, and they don't know that premium items must stay only for those who BUY them. I will ask for a refund if a similar VIP event comes again. JSYK

How many VIPs do we need to gain access to those dungeons? 3? All 9?

First dungeon requires no VIPs.

I have mixed feelings about more VIP breeding events.

On one hand it might be a nice opportunity.

On the other hand, it makes the money purchasing a VIP feel a bit wasted. But most of all, I'm not sure how much more disappointment I can take after 19 failed attempts at breeding Zyla yesterday.

Either way, I appreciate this announcement ahead of time because it seems like a lot of people were confused about how this was all going to work.

Idk how can SP make a VIP chest for 99.99$ then add this breeding event almost b2b

How many VIPs do I need to gain access to the 2nd and 3rd dungeons?

@Boris Same boris!!! I was very upset that I spent so much gems yesterday trying to go for Zyla!! If i know that there will be more vip breeding events, I would not have spent all the gems!! Now I want my money back really... So mixed feelings about the vip breeding events, glad that there are two more potential chances but I am very mad for wasting gems yesterday!! SP you need to do a lot better in planning and inform us on what to expect next!! This is 100% on you (your mistake) SP! Hate to say this but this will piss off a lot of players due to poor planning and communication!

@TCML-Lead I don't disagree with the frustration, especially because it's hard to be unlucky while others somehow breed two while only spending 30 gems, get one on their first try when I've tried a dozen times, etc. That being said, I'm guessing the next two events will have completely different breeding pairs.

Dear SP, Being too greedy hurts, and being too generous hits even harder. You have stayed between these 2 fires without getting burt, but now you are throwing yourselves into one of them, Sadly.

@TCML-Lead
So for the first time we know what is coming with clear official dates and yet you call this poor planning . sure we all though it will be only 1 breeding event and most player burned many gems but i think things wouldn't change much even if we know before the 1st event .. you tried 9 times using all your gems , or 3 times each event spacing out your tries .

@Hmaied-Mohamed
i am a free player and totally understand your point , Personally i agree with all what you said . but i think Sp tried to gave f2p some power to balance wars and pvp .

Personally i think it would better if the breeding event included last monsters in maze and islands , premier monsters . they are good and powerfull and that will not anger the p2p players

but big thanks SP for giving all players chance to get a nemesis , think it will balance the game a bit

@Boris same! I did 33 attempts in total, spent over 600 gems and all i got was 14 rares and 19 epcis!! Not even one legendary let alone the VIPs.. you have no idea how mad I was!!! I know some people got it on their first few attempts and this just goes to show how screwed up the whole event is. SP knows MANY MANY MANY gems were thrown during the breed VIP events thats why they are doing it. It's all about the $$$. They tricked us to think that we have more chance to get the VIPs but it is actually more gems for them! This is pure evil!!!

@Haka-Taka I have to disagree with you Haka. What I meant is SP should have let us know earlier that there are two more chances to breed the VIPs. I thought last one was the only time we can breed VIP so I went all out for it and of course I lost all my gems. If I know there will be more chances, hell I wont spend all my gems and I will save all of them in case I need to use them later. That doesnt mean that I will use them though. Maybe I will get very lucky to get one on the next event! So isn't that poor planning and communication from SP?

@Haka-Taka that's EXACTLY my point. Breedable VIPs and their parents are monsters like vadamagma, nemestrinus and such? That's not even logical.
An event this way has recently ended, and I'm not ready for another one. Also, I can have a refund, I'm not asking SP to give me a billion of dollars.

And for giving away free nemesis, the event should've been like this:
A REGULAR VIP breeding event where we breed VIPs to get VIPs, talos the automaton for free just like now, and other 2 versions for those who have VIPs

I'll start buy saying the only VIP monster I purchased was Scarr the Outcast when he we originally released. Back in the end of February of 2016. This back when they only released a certain amount of units... everyone remember that?

Good thing they took off that limited number of units, otherwise there would be no ranked 130s until the release of elementium.

But anyhow, back to this topic. I personally think it's a great idea to give all players a chance to get at least 1 nemesis monster without having to purchase it, and to allow everyone to get monsters that are now.. 1 - 2 years old.
Just about anytime or place in life, when you want to be the very first to acquire something, you'll have to pay a premium. And by being the first you reap the benefits, the advantages. In ML, if you purchased a VIP early on, then you had some of the most powerful monsters both for offense and defense. You certainly got your $20 worth. Fast-forward 1 or 2 years the VIPs are no where near as powerful as what they once were. Look at PvP defense... do you see VIPs or Nemesis. Heck, even some of the "regular" monsters are arguably more powerful - Kihaku, Dungeon Master, Al Canine.
So with those two things in mind 1) players that originally purchased VIPs already had time to use them and 2) they aren't as VIP as what they were when initially released, I don't see much of a problem of having them breedable.

I do understand the premise of the whole "it's unfair that I paid X, while you get it for free" argument, but again with times things depreciate in value. I think it's unrealistic to ask new players to pay $20 for a VIP just because you paid $20 TWO years ago. Especially when that same amount could be used on something better now.
If anyone disagrees, please feel free to contact me, I will gladly sell you my 5 year-old phone for the exact same price I purchased it for (;

On a more important note, does the fact that some players (non-spenders and casual spenders) will now have a chance to breed VIPs really have a huge impact on you. Not really...
Again, you purchased VIPs when they were first released. Elementium has been released with several frat events. By now you probably have a ranked up VIP. You probably have really good runes. Or assuming you're still spending, you probably have the new all-to-powerful nemesis monsters.
Some non-spenders or causal spenders walking around with VIPs doesn't really have a huge impact on you.

So why not just give everyone a chance to experience the fun and pleasure of getting a VIP monster?

It's a good attempt to close the major gap that exists in the game.

The only thing I'm a bit perplexed about is selling all 9 VIPs for $99.99 AND THEN having this breeding event.
I mean on one hand you get certainty, whereas with the breeding event you gamble gems with the possibility of nothing but epics.

@TCML-Lead
Note also that sp need us to spend madly but they could cover the whole 3 events dates leaving us in darkness , the 3rd event is in 2 week . so start saving gems . spned minimal on 2nd phase and go wild again on 3rd ,, me too spend all my gems and hit 0 thinking it is my only chance .. i am comparing this to previos event that hit us when our temple is just entered cooldown and our hatchery is busy

@ArmorGaming

Hi
Did you fall for that trick . i mean limited units lol , at the same time if you logged to FB version you would see that it is just a regular timer with very clear end date and time ,, this was a ****** psychological pressure trick to make the selling

At the end I'm really disappointed that I ave bought several VIP eggs and ranked all up to 130, thinking that they were the real deal with bulwark, then the keeper came out. After that nemesis monsters who made VIPs look weaker but still usable. But giving away ALL VIPs for free? ALL OF THEM? Also a very powerful nemesis with them? Seriously? I can smell something wrong. This is not the SP I know.

I hope this does not happen with nemesis monsters after adding a new stronger group of monsters because I have spent more than what yall can expect to rank up almost every one of them. Those who are asking for compensation deserve it, give them 200 gems per level 100 VIP, 250 for rank 1, 300 for rank 2, 350 for rank 3, 400 for rank 4 and 500 for rank 5 then everyone will come back home happy!

@Haka-Taka I really dont want to complaint because I actually like the idea of announcing the upcoming events to us so that we can be prepared. This is good. but SP made a big mistake by not announcing it before the end of the last breeding event. I know SP wants us to spend madly but they are actually succeeding by the breeding event itself. I can imagine people already throwing out many gems on every breeding event. And it is true that SP could cover the whole 3 events leaving us in dark, but I see that being the same as what they are doing now. The damage is already done, our gems are gone. Imagine if we know there will be 2 more chances of breeding VIPs, would you go all out on last event? I wouldn't. I mean I dont want to say anything bad, I like the idea of telling us before hand on what to expect, but SP can certainly do a better job in communication and planning.

@Fox The breeding combinations is The same everyweek or will change ?

@Handerson-Sousa As I understand it, there is only 1 breeding event for VIPs.

@Handerson-Sousa yea, i want that info too. Since I don't the monster on last breeding event

@Clackers No, there are 3. 2 more to come! However, we don't know if the breeding combinations will stay the same.

Sounds like fun.

Would be nice to know if we need particular VIPs for each stage, or ANY VIPs for each stage. If the latter is the case I may make a mini-me version for Nox so that I have 3 VIPs. Otherwise I should not bother and will just concentrate on trying to obtain the generic Talos.

I'm just sat in the corner waiting for when Nemesis Breeding event will become a thing, wait you thought this was the nail in the coffin!??
As a f2p, my hard-earned 350 gems spent to get NOX the Obnoxious (after 19tries) made me frustrated at first but realised ....oh well VIP after all. Although it would have been nice to know there will be more breeding down the line & close to each other too. I'll probably skip the 2nd phase and save a little for the final phase.

Also, I kind of understand the P2W frustration about this whole breedable vip fiasco but you are forgetting it's only a breeding event. $P intention is NOT to make you guys look like fools for buying 18eggs to max HYDROK, but to make little/no spenders surrender their wallet. In the age of NEMESIS, they know a chance at a VIP will make any f2p bend over.
And like Armor said, you guys reaped the benefits of the VIP when they came out initially and you are probably still ahead of the curve over many f2p. So pls, enjoy the moment for there are more outrageous events coming soon

@Fox Yeah, would be nice if the combos at least changed. Is it really necessary to keep them with breedables?

@ArmorGaming said in The last Nemesis Talos brothers event! - DISCUSSION:

I'll start buy saying the only VIP monster I purchased was Scarr the Outcast when he we originally released. Back in the end of February of 2016. This back when they only released a certain amount of units... everyone remember that?

Good thing they took off that limited number of units, otherwise there would be no ranked 130s until the release of elementium.

But anyhow, back to this topic. I personally think it's a great idea to give all players a chance to get at least 1 nemesis monster without having to purchase it, and to allow everyone to get monsters that are now.. 1 - 2 years old.
Just about anytime or place in life, when you want to be the very first to acquire something, you'll have to pay a premium. And by being the first you reap the benefits, the advantages. In ML, if you purchased a VIP early on, then you had some of the most powerful monsters both for offense and defense. You certainly got your $20 worth. Fast-forward 1 or 2 years the VIPs are no where near as powerful as what they once were. Look at PvP defense... do you see VIPs or Nemesis. Heck, even some of the "regular" monsters are arguably more powerful - Kihaku, Dungeon Master, Al Canine.
So with those two things in mind 1) players that originally purchased VIPs already had time to use them and 2) they aren't as VIP as what they were when initially released, I don't see much of a problem of having them breedable.

I do understand the premise of the whole "it's unfair that I paid X, while you get it for free" argument, but again with times things depreciate in value. I think it's unrealistic to ask new players to pay $20 for a VIP just because you paid $20 TWO years ago. Especially when that same amount could be used on something better now.
If anyone disagrees, please feel free to contact me, I will gladly sell you my 5 year-old phone for the exact same price I purchased it for (;

On a more important note, does the fact that some players (non-spenders and casual spenders) will now have a chance to breed VIPs really have a huge impact on you. Not really...
Again, you purchased VIPs when they were first released. Elementium has been released with several frat events. By now you probably have a ranked up VIP. You probably have really good runes. Or assuming you're still spending, you probably have the new all-to-powerful nemesis monsters.
Some non-spenders or causal spenders walking around with VIPs doesn't really have a huge impact on you.

So why not just give everyone a chance to experience the fun and pleasure of getting a VIP monster?

It's a good attempt to close the major gap that exists in the game.

The only thing I'm a bit perplexed about is selling all 9 VIPs for $99.99 AND THEN having this breeding event.
I mean on one hand you get certainty, whereas with the breeding event you gamble gems with the possibility of nothing but epics.

I agree with this, but I only have one comment, what everyone is not understanding is any exclusive purchase in a game is an investment, like stock. So if it goes down in value after you 'invest', that's your fault, so don't ask for a refund because YOU chose to use YOUR money.

Whatever wall or barrier that was separating the F2P and P2W, it wont come down with a couple of Osurs or Zylas. People will still be blowing away gems like mad during these events also, tho I can understand the anger to SOME degree

@Szymon-Zin
Just sayiny only 3 combo were totally breedable

Knowing sp, this event is a disguised one, to try to force players to spend a lot of gems, for a really low chance.
At the end getting the nemesis will be more expensive than paying the usual price for almost everyone.
I have no doubts about this. $P style.

The chances at this breeding event have been dismal compared to some of the breeding events in the past. The last breeding event for Zyla for instance I got three Zyla and spent quite a bit, but I spent this time and got nothing but epics, rares and one Legend which was nice but was not a VIP. I got Laomu. But the numbers are lower then any breeding event I have seen.

I also feel cheated since I spent money on several VIP monsters. I liked we had a chance to get cells in the VIP dungeon cause it was for those who had already spent money, but that was a joke too. 5 cells of something was going to take me 20 years to rank up. The breeding event in the past was for those who had the VIP monsters. But now I feel cheated. I spent quite a bit on what were suppose to be exclusive monsters.

Are the breeding combos the same for each breeding event and can you use the jokers as any alternatives

@Shaun-Mupfururirwa said in The last Nemesis Talos brothers event! - DISCUSSION:

Are the breeding combos the same for each breeding event and can you use the jokers as any alternatives

Unknown if the combos will change, asking @Fox may give us the answer, and there is no Joker combos for these breeding events.

I'm so pleased with this event, @Fox , it's another event that everyone can participate...& more importantly, everyone gets a chance to obtain the basic Talos...a Nemesis ! Just for everyone else's information, I've never been successful in any of the VIP breeding events, including the one just gone...but I truly like that everyone has been given a chance to obtain both a VIP & a Nemesis monster too! Nicely done, Fox , really pleased

I like that there is a sufficient time gap between the VIP breeding and the dungeons to allow hatching the VIPs before needing them. Uncharacteristically thoughtful touch.

@Fox I’m really interested if the breeding recipe will change

the 2nd and 3rd dungeon require vips to enter but does that mean you have to use them in the dungeon? Or can you use other monsters as well? To enter doesnt necessarily mean you have to use them unless I am wrong, wich is very possible

@Haka-Taka you closed the other thread and the posts related to that other thread are now all being lost in this one as it is more related to talking about the breeding event and how to obtain blah blah blah. I think it unfair that you closed a thread addressing the feelings and issues that those who bought VIP monsters had. It has nothing to do with this thread.

@Suzznee said in The last Nemesis Talos brothers event! - DISCUSSION:

@Haka-Taka you closed the other thread and the posts related to that other thread are now all being lost in this one as it is more related to talking about the breeding event and how to obtain blah blah blah. I think it unfair that you closed a thread addressing the feelings and issues that those who bought VIP monsters had. It has nothing to do with this thread.

This is actually about the entire event so having people's feelings and concerns are better here. Haka did right to close that one. However i will ask Fox to take the feedback from both to the team.

@Yomi-Que I have seen some players complaining in global chat about getting one/2 VIPs for 200/300 gems. The thing that you have gotten is more valuable than the gems, it's something that's not everyone is supposed to own.

Hi everyone,

There has been a slight change in the text and condition for this event. VIP monsters will be needed for only the medium and hard difficulty of all three Taloses. The "easy" dungeon difficulty will be accessible without any VIP.

Sorry for the miscommunication.

And the VIP breedings should have all the same combinations.

@Fox , that's a downer...I liked that everyone would've been able to get the basic Talos...this isn't likely, now with the addition to VIPs to the 2nd & 3rd difficulties.

@ss13 Honestly, it's Nemesis and the dungeons are pretty challenging. It will be hard to get all 80 cells anyways. You have to beat all three difficulties to get 80 cells.

@Fox , difficulties are not my issue, I just wanted something that everyone could have a chance at obtaining...not just those of us with VIPs...there are f2p players who could get through all 3 difficulties without the addition of VIPs...this isn't a grievance voiced for my behalf, I can manage, just wanted something for our f2p brethren too... something inclusive to the whole player base. Sorry, Fox, for being negative...I know, it's not easy to find a decent balance. Thank you, for trying.

@Suzznee said in The last Nemesis Talos brothers event! - DISCUSSION:

@Haka-Taka you closed the other thread and the posts related to that other thread are now all being lost in this one as it is more related to talking about the breeding event and how to obtain blah blah blah. I think it unfair that you closed a thread addressing the feelings and issues that those who bought VIP monsters had. It has nothing to do with this thread.

This topic is for talos event , which require the vip breeding so i see that vip breeding feedback can be posted here as well as it is the 1st stage of the talos event

@Fox said in The last Nemesis Talos brothers event! - DISCUSSION:

@ss13 Honestly, it's Nemesis and the dungeons are pretty challenging. It will be hard to get all 80 cells anyways. You have to beat all three difficulties to get 80 cells.

Are you saying that we need to complete all three dungeons to get the Nemesis? I thought each dungeon would be for one type of Nemesis!

@David-ML Yes and no. You have to complete each difficulty of one Talos dungeon.
So, for example, Talos the Automaton will have 3 dungeons and each will have different difficulty. In each difficulty, you will be able to collect a certain amount of cells. To collect 80 cells you have to complete all three difficulties.
Hope, this makes things more clear.

At the end of the day, it's Nemesis and even though VIPs are veterans, they are still valuable. For f2p we are running the VIP breeding event 3 times to make sure they have a chance.

Any chance we can have the percentages published for getting a VIP, Rare, Epic or any other possible outcome during this event?

I realise it will be low for the VIP but would be nice to know for this and future breeding events. The information could be published through the in game update section.