@Fox we have now been matched a third time in a row with the same team that is currently ranked #7 whilst we are ranked #179 - this is ludicrous!!! There needs to be a mechanism in the matchmaking to prevent this from happening. We are now being slaughtered a third time. It's bad enough that these mismatches happen at all, but three times in a row????

@David-ML said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

@Fox we have now been matched a third time in a row with the same team that is currently ranked #7 whilst we are ranked #179 - this is ludicrous!!! There needs to be a mechanism in the matchmaking to prevent this from happening. We are now being slaughtered a third time. It's bad enough that these mismatches happen at all, but three times in a row????

260 -229 and 253 -204.

Seems like a good match to me, not a slaughter. This team's ranking is probably only inflated because of the war coins synchronisation issue.

Other than that: yes, I perfectly agree. Teams should not be able to match each other a second time for a couple of wars.

LOL @Ekto-Gamat , slaughtered is probably exaggerated. To be honest, I think they are completely disorganised and do some serious bottom feeding whilst we have really tried hard to do the best we could (as we always do). The rules were somewhat in our favour, too, but considering their line-up, it's beyond me why they didn't get well above 300 coins each time!!!

I know the ranking is still stuffed up, but using the MP as measure, we are 2.2M and they are 3.4M! So definitely not a good match!

I expect you was happy to get matched with kellys heroes twice in a row, and bet you Wouldnt have Said no to a third time. Sometimes the odds are for and sometimes against

@shrek said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

I expect you was happy to get matched with kellys heroes twice in a row, and bet you Wouldnt have Said no to a third time. Sometimes the odds are for and sometimes against

Actually we are not happy to get matched with any team more then once.

As far as Kelly's Heros, We lost one and won one. And Kellys Heros is ranked about the same as us right now. They are 170 and we are 181 at the moment.

The other team is ranked #6 right now.

Anyways it is not fun being slaughtered 3 times in a row. The system shouldn't allow for a repeat match right away nor a third in a row.

Something is really messed up with matching. Not only did we get the same team 3 times in a row but we are getting matched against ridiculous odds all of a sudden that we have no chance of winning.

I sure would like to know who messed up the wars recently and why they are not being fixed. Is this related to the ranking problem?

I don't find matchmaking is broken, at least to my team. Most of the time we match with teams within the range. Sure some of the matches are still one-sided but that's part of the life.

But I agree that team should not match with same opponent back to back.

@SkeelMaster There is a problem and @Fox has acknowledged it but said it is not a priority right now. The team ranking is all messed up ad I am sure that it has to do with the weird matching going on. Not only that but in Rage wars now I have had multiple wars with repeated specials and misses. Something is amiss. I have had repeated misses and specials before but nothing like recently

@David-ML
what did you do after war when you lost?
When we lost we wait 20-60min before we start search process again. Only when we win we start search process directly after war ended.
when we loose 2 or 3 times behind or our starttime moves out of our normal Startrange (german time 4pm - 8pm). we wait until next day 4pm. I knew there are some teams which could wait such a long time, but we have a much more stressless time.
At the end my goal is 60% of wars we should win.

@Suzznee said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

. Not only that but in Rage wars now I have had multiple wars with repeated specials and misses. Something is amiss. I have had repeated misses and specials before but nothing like recently

Well, when you have to do 10 attacks instead of 5, the chances of getting very unlucky battles obviously also doubles.

@Suzznee said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

@SkeelMaster There is a problem and @Fox has acknowledged it but said it is not a priority right now. The team ranking is all messed up ad I am sure that it has to do with the weird matching going on. Not only that but in Rage wars now I have had multiple wars with repeated specials and misses. Something is amiss. I have had repeated misses and specials before but nothing like recently

The ranking is messed up doesn't mean matchmaking is messed up. Of cause ranking affects matchmaking result so you may not get opponents within your correct range. Again, no excuses why matchmaking allows two teams to war for 3 times in a row.

About misses, most of time it's one's perception that something goes unusual. But statistically it should fall in the range that game specifies.

@SkeelMaster Yes, the ranking is messed up but I think the matchmaking has also been messed up on top of it. In the past when we matched against a top level team, it happened after we had a series of wins like 5-6 or more and the elite opponent had a few losses against some other elite teams. Now we lost three time in a row against a much stronger team, had one pitiful win and got matched within seconds with The Rising Legends - full X, fully ranked team that has 8 or so consecutive wins. This has NEVER happened in two and a half years of playing. @Fox are you guys messing with the matchmaking, because this is no fun!!!

And @Claudius-DC-Sailer we used to wait, but a few times we matched with the same bloody team again after waiting an hour or two. So we usually roll when ready, even when we just lost. We often match within 5-15 minutes. Not everybody is that quick, you never know what the other team does, so no point second guessing, we just roll when ready. We did wait an hour and a half after the third loss this time and see where that got us

@Claudius-DC-Sailer

@Claudius-DC-Sailer

At the end my goal is 60% of wars we should win.

But is that not the real issue here? It is a zero-sum game. Every war has a winner and loser. If someone win 60% of the time, someone will loss 60% of the time.

And you know what happens to the teams that loss 60% of its war? The members leave, and the team just disappears. So the weak team that win 40% of the time will not stay around, so the team that left standing are ones that used to win 60%, but there is no weak teams left to win against.

Regardless of what matching algorithm do, the total number of wins and losses in the system has to equal. So you will always be disappointed if you expect above 50% win rate, unless there is some team that are 0-200 and keeps fighting, to keep generating wins for the other teams.

@Lin-Mei said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

But is that not the real issue here? It is a zero-sum game. Every war has a winner and loser. If someone win 60% of the time, someone will loss 60% of the time.

It should, but at the end there are a lot of good teams which are not so active. When you make less fights in a war, it is often that you loose.

@SkeelMaster said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

@Suzznee said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

@SkeelMaster There is a problem and @Fox has acknowledged it but said it is not a priority right now. The team ranking is all messed up ad I am sure that it has to do with the weird matching going on. Not only that but in Rage wars now I have had multiple wars with repeated specials and misses. Something is amiss. I have had repeated misses and specials before but nothing like recently

The ranking is messed up doesn't mean matchmaking is messed up. Of cause ranking affects matchmaking result so you may not get opponents within your correct range. Again, no excuses why matchmaking allows two teams to war for 3 times in a row.

> About misses, most of time it's one's perception that something goes unusual. But statistically it should fall in the range that game specifies.

I have never seen the amount of misses and specials that the opponents got in this last war in all the time I have been playing this game. Well for awhile a year or so ago in PVP I saw this happening. But I had 5 misses in a row my first battle yesterday and everyone of the opponents team got a special. This happened in 7 of the 10 rage wars that I had repeated misses, Was hit was Stamina Devour on 7 of the 10 right off the bat and then the other team got one special after another. I got not one special or chance to even try to win the battle.

Something is surely amiss with the Wars, rankings, and matching.

So now our war log looks like this

... and of course what happens is that we get matched with a team 1000 ranks below us! Yes, not a few hundred which is already bad enough - a thousand genuine ranks!

This is so wrong on so many levels, SP really needs to fix this. Relatively speaking, this match is even worse than when we were matched with PoF or AMAB by a country mile! I have set up easy defences for my two accounts and asked the rest of the team to do the same, but such gross mismatches should just not occur. It can't be that hard to set fixed boundaries within the matching algorithm to prevent matching beyond certain strength disparities @Fox you have been a somewhat quiet here. Is SP still trying to improve the matchmaking?

@Suzznee said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

@SkeelMaster said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:
> About misses, most of time it's one's perception that something goes unusual. But statistically it should fall in the range that game specifies.

I have never seen the amount of misses and specials that the opponents got in this last war in all the time I have been playing this game. Well for awhile a year or so ago in PVP I saw this happening. But I had 5 misses in a row my first battle yesterday and everyone of the opponents team got a special. This happened in 7 of the 10 rage wars that I had repeated misses, Was hit was Stamina Devour on 7 of the 10 right off the bat and then the other team got one special after another. I got not one special or chance to even try to win the battle.

Something is surely amiss with the Wars, rankings, and matching.

I'm sorry for those happened to you. But bad luck happens. Just a few days ago, my Timerion missed Stop Time on Monsters with harden trait, about 80% of time. I almost send a ticket to question what's wrong as I thought SP messed up the harden trait by reversing it's resistance percentage. But then I started to stop Tough trait and even Bulwark.

I hope everything can go back to normal for you soon. Or else I would send a ticket like: "I love you SP, please don't hate me".

@David-ML said in Please prevent getting matched continuously with same team!!!!:

So now our war log looks like this

... and of course what happens is that we get matched with a team 1000 ranks below us! Yes, not a few hundred which is already bad enough - a thousand genuine ranks!

This is so wrong on so many levels, SP really needs to fix this. Relatively speaking, this match is even worse than when we were matched with PoF or AMAB by a country mile! I have set up easy defences for my two accounts and asked the rest of the team to do the same, but such gross mismatches should just not occur. It can't be that hard to set fixed boundaries within the matching algorithm to prevent matching beyond certain strength disparities @Fox you have been a somewhat quiet here. Is SP still trying to improve the matchmaking?

@David-ML Except for the 3 wars you run against the same team, everything looks normal to me. A thousand rank difference isn't unusual, though something SP can improve. But I don't think the solution is as easy as one would think. If we can't find a team within our desired range (say +/- 100), shall the algorithm expands the range or keep searching until a team fits and starts to search? Or we set a maximum range or else we keep going? Then complaint on long searching will come again. Some compromise has to be made.

@SkeelMaster having the odd streak of losses is normal and I don't have a problem with that. The issue I have is that this often ends up in matches that are totally beyond unfair. And yes, I agree that if you draw the line between teams too narrow, it would result in unacceptable search times but....

... the impression I have is that the number of recent consecutive losses and possibly wins has a much higher weighting in the search algorithm than it should have. Our weakest 5 players still heavily outclass their 5 strongest. The majority of players on their team have hardly any ranked monsters. You say a thousand ranks difference is nothing unusual, but I think it is and it shouldn't happen....

....I think three things need to happen:

• the ranking system needs fixing to prevent new teams and race teams from being ranked incorrectly (ie. war coin ranking needs to be weighted differently for those teams)

• matchmaking should have a somewhat narrower range to prevent extreme strength disparities between matched teams, no matter what the loss/win ratio is

• and that you can't match the same team more than twice within the visible war log

I completely agree with you. Our team put together a good string of wins to move from 10 k up to around 5k and now we're being matched against teams in the top 1000. Our weaker players are between 1500-5000mp and can't get any coins at all. Even most of the mid rank guys are struggling. We don't want easy wars but don't want to keep getting massacred either