Recently, the monster profiles in the Wiki have been updated to say that "stats may not be corrected". This seems to confirm the rumours that the wiki will not be updated from now on.

First of all, let me say it is mind-boggling that the SP team relies on a third party to provide necessary information to the users. I mean, imagine the randomness of breeding monsters if the wiki didn't exist; we would be all shooting in the dark at trying to get new monsters.

Equally, without the monster stats in the wiki, it would be very difficult to assess a monster in terms of skills, speed, strength, and so on. Case in point, I have no idea if I want to spend gems for a ranked Rabooka, since I don't know its stats.

Since this basic information - stats, breeding info - is nowhere to be found in the game itself, could at least SP share it here in the forum?

Why there is this reluctance about providing basic info? SP want to be able to change it whenever they like it, without offering any guarantee? They don't have a web developer able to maintain a website? Or is it some sadistic urge to make us play without knowing what we're actually doing?

totally agree

@woland My understanding is that the wiki is totally fan based. I think there will always be a tension between providing enough information to keep the players happy, but not providing so much information that a competitor can copy your product.

I think the wiki will continue to provide pretty valuable information to players for quite some even if a few changes are made to some monster stats.

Now if the wiki were to just disappear, that would be REALLY bad.

@woland said in The future without wiki:

Recently, the monster profiles in the Wiki have been updated to say that "stats may not be corrected".

Your probably correct, but i cant see this sentence is it on the fb version or also on the site it self because I looked for it on my laptap and I can't find it

I see it differently

what i see is ""Note: Data shown in this wiki is not official and may change!"'this has nothing to do with that rumor wiki will not be updated !
Many players take wiki info as official one esp when it come to coming monsters skills , when sp change those just before release people use to fire their anger at wiki ..and even sometimes message sp why did you nerf that monster ?? Notice that sp change it just before release so you cant say they nerfed it and wiki posted what he found beofre the change

So i think it is just a statement to players that those skills may change .

but agree that we should have official in game info about monsters , sometimes the event is on and wiki is delayed and we are not sure what we are going after !

we need the informations from wiki in an official SP way. ML is not longer a hobby or small app. It is a professional Game which also need professional information portal.

All the things you can find on wiki should be also on the official web page, because all these informations are necessary and important to play this game.

It is a shame that SP has nothing like the wiki. FB Community, Forum and so one is not the right medium for something like that. I can‘t understand why SP doesn‘t have it or is working on a solution like wiki. Something like wiki and also the informations during taringa would be stop.

@Claudius-DC-Sailer
I think Sp enjoy this state .they can change monsters just before release and no one can complain . wiki is not official .Maybe they don't want to state monster skills officially not till the release moment . they watch the reactions from wiki and taringa leaks and players feedback about monsters then balance them before lease

@Haka-Taka
I don‘t need the Monster skills before an event. But I need a medium where I can get all the informations about, monsters, breeding combinations, events and all the wiki informations about Dr. Viktors Labor, Elements, Habitats, Runes and so in.

I open the wiki many times a day and it is not only about new monsters. It is about all the monsters and about gameplay in general. Most of the info should be either in the game or in some help files. This would ensure transparent info for all, allowing the players to focus in other things like strategy and resource management. I know, I have a dream, right?

I don't think actual Wiki pages are that hard to maintain, but we'd need a solid community of players constantly updating it, if someone wanted an alternative. One actually exists, but I don't think it's ever updated. And then there's the question of how in the world do you view under the hood of the game to pull out the data in the first place? I mean, you can only see a level 100 monster's stats once you actually have that monster and feed it to level 100. And you never actually see the numerical value of the various attacks. Anyone ever poked around in the data to see if it's easily accessible?

@sansot yes. i have pulled data from another game since they change monsters so regularly . It converts all data into an "API" like an integration layer that sits on top of a (literal) database, providing a means for tools (pet/hero calculators, battle simulators, discord bots, etc) to fetch information from. All data is in code and when transferred in JSON for formatting you can transfer into .CSV to share easily via Excel.

@Tara-Nicole-Martin Wasnt aware of any public available API for ML, is it actually exists? :)

@AndyM said in The future without wiki:

@Tara-Nicole-Martin Wasnt aware of any public available API for ML, is it actually exists? :)

Tara talked about another game 😉

@Marianne-van-Es I understand that, how another game is related to ML.. ?

On the other hand i would be happy to know if anyone is aware of public API for ML :)

Public API or not, we need to access to ML's database to get those data. I learnt in old forum that current wiki owner had a deal with SP which he can access to ML database. That's how we get those monsters states.

I don't understand why SP don't do this by themselves. They can always control when to release a new monster and make monster states available in their own wiki. The only thing they don't want to reveal is the bleeding successful rate for a bleeding event.

@Fox What can be done about all this?

@Tara-Nicole-Martin said in The future without wiki:

@sansot yes. i have pulled data from another game since they change monsters so regularly . It converts all data into an "API" like an integration layer that sits on top of a (literal) database, providing a means for tools (pet/hero calculators, battle simulators, discord bots, etc) to fetch information from. All data is in code and when transferred in JSON for formatting you can transfer into .CSV to share easily via Excel.

i am not an advanced but i sometimes check the game JSON files on my pc to see some features and so . for example the vault price is coded in a file which i open on my pc and check etc

so getting all those json files is enough to you to start a ml project ?

Haka i have a private server of individuals dedicated to this for another game. Let me get you in there so we can put our heads together. Check discord Private Messages.

Check out #2 on this list:
https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/4811/what-s-to-come-in-2018

Hopefully stat info is coming soon.