@Marianne-van-Es said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

"I’ll even tell you how much $ wise
Collusion race 130+ lap cost me around 2.5 gem packs (keep in mind i do all the main gemming - so this is not per member. A close friend member who played hard everyday on that race told me that he only spent 60 gems to do things like expedite a rune etc. Now this race i had burned through about 3 packs yesterday and it was lap 80s. That is a crazy difference"

Personally I hadn't noticed any difference. Would love to see a breakdown of each node compared to previous races to see how bad it really is.

But if the difficulty of the tasks indeed has increased then there certainly is reason to complain.

@Ekto-Gamat Well I know they race as a team so all that can be done as a team they do as a team, she is the only one that skips the "big" quests the rest will do like spide-ups for runes and buying pvp. but she is on Discord so you could dm her maybe she has more numbers for you

@Marianne-van-Es said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

@Ekto-Gamat Well I know they race as a team so all that can be done as a team they do as a team, she is the only one that skips the "big" quests the rest will do like spide-ups for runes and buying pvp. but she is on Discord so you could dm her maybe she has more numbers for you

I am not on Discord and not really interested in going there. I believe her, and Claudius, if they say they are spending more.

There could be other factors however, that cause this than only an increased difficulty in tasks, but more a difference in the nature of the tasks. We only skip the 'one member breeds 10 epics' quests for example. The rest we mostly breed (and gem the speeding up). We don't gem PVP quests, we play them (and pay for the extra pvp's if necessary). This is less expensive than simply paying off each semi difficult task. It relies more on the team for each semi difficult taks and less on the people carrying the heavy load. If the AFKk race queen simply blows through all of them with gems it's understandable that she spends more than before. And with the pace they are going I understand that maybe it's necessary to blow through them all.

@Fox should have all data of the nodes on this and previous race I would think.

@Ekto-Gamat I believe they only skip the epics/Legendary too. with pvp I mean buying attacks points not skipping them.

@Marianne-van-Es said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

@Ekto-Gamat I believe they only skip the epics/Legendary too. with pvp I mean buying attacks points not skipping them.

one big issue is, that identical tasks in one node after the other. And a lot of my teammates are close to strong players in PVP. to buy new attack doesn‘t help. we had to skip 50% of PVP tasks.

@Claudius-DC-Sailer well I didnt need to skip pvp personally dont know if the rest of my team did but I dont think so, I had to change my defense tho, because I needed revenge attacks and thats a bit tricky because of end of season
but I think I will be alright now on 4079 points so for 3 h 20m so L4 is mine

Hello. Appreciate sp trying to adjust the race. It's good that all teams have an opportunity to win the race Monster, regardless of position against other teams. I wonder if you would ever be willing to let us know what tasks will be in front of us in team races ahead of time in future? There seem to be a heap of epic nodes again, and honestly, it's so sad to pay gems to skip an epic node only to find another epic node straight after it. I know this makes money, but if we at least knew what expenses we were about to face, we could budget accordingly (or choose to just not bother if too costly). Just a thought

@Fox Hey someone tell me this is right not suposed to be 3m?

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it has changed look at top 500 x points = should be 1806 lol but you got 1842

I am very curious about something I am noticing. I am currently on a team that ranks in the top 7 in the global race laps. In looking at some of the TOP teams something very odd stood out to me...

Can someone explain how player(s) can use 1 Common monster for their PVP defense and actually win multiple defenses? It just has me scratching my head.

@DeathScorpion, They are trying to get more "revenge" battles! I changed my Defense Team to 2 weaker Epics & a weak Rare toget more reasonable opponents! When I reached 3600 trophies, I couldn't win even the Revenge battles so I changed the Defense & dropped to Gold II. I get an average of 4-6 Revenge battles every 6 hours. With the way they match the opponents so unreasonably, that is the only way to win. I am ranked 18,258 & don't really care about being in top 100 (or 1,000 for that matter)!

for the late birds , on lap 12 last node and 13 first node there's " first to breed 10 epics"...just so you know

@Marianne-van-Es, do you know if any player joining a Team past halfway point & gets 300+ points for Individual Rewards, will the players get the INDIVIDUAL REWARDS? I thought no but I have had some tell me they did before!

@MamawJane I think they do yes, I know for sure you get them even if the team doesnt qualify. but this is all in old format so Im not sure for this one. @Fox

seems im right lol

So I was reading about this race, and it says for the individual rewards that "EVERY" member has to have 300pts.

Does that mean, literally, that EVERY member has to have 300+ pts in order for me/the others already with 300+pts to get our reward? Or is it just poor wording? We are all almost qualified, but there's a few stragglers.

If someone could let me know? And thank you

@Amber-Huyghe only you have to reach the threshold to get your own individual rewards. Someone not reaching it wont affect your reward.

@Amber-Huyghe no only you have to have 300 pts or more even if your the only one in your team and the team hasnt reached lap 4 you get the ind rewards

Thank you both! Very glad to hear that, lol.

Mostly, I like the new race. My team works hard for the races, and we usually get 10-15 laps in. We have a mix of f2p and p2p, so we would get steam rolled by teams getting upwards of 50 laps, this time we will at least get the monster. The only thing I don't like, is the change in food rewards. A lot of us need that boost, and the few of us that do the most work look forward to getting it. The 2 changes being: no more food reward for the team (we used to get 1-2 million for the team as a whole), and now getting 500 food times points for individual position rewards (which is half what we got in the past.) I understand that we are getting a free monster, so there is a balance in getting less food. But maybe just make 1 change, not both? Because those of us who are in the top 10 for individual rewards now have to work twice as hard for the same amount of food as we used to get. And these are the people who are already spending money on gems. So we would need to spend double the money for the rewards we would normally get, and most of us cannot do that.

Thanks for working on trying to make it fair though. Though I am thinking some of these people who have 100 laps in, have got to be hacking the game. Not all of them, some are spending hundreds of dollars for gems, but I have heard of some people who can hack the game to get gems. And that isn't fair for the rest of us or for SP.

The event is closing and i feel really comfortable with the result of the overall income to my ML account. A new monster ranked even if my team finished 2nd (behind a top 50 team) and at the same strength as the winning team. I am getting less food but ultimately i have another income for it. Also getting more elementium (taking to my account the nature ones).And a nice little bonus in the form of orbs. My team is mixed with f2p and p2w guys. I will say keep it this way but maybe decrease a bit the p2w modes.

My team have secured 25 laps and rank 3 monster as usual but this race is a disaster for majority of teams in my eyes. Legendary monster is unreachable for most of them even at rank 0.

In my group only my team qualified and 2 more teams are on lap 2 so far, rest are on lap 1, obviously all those teams understand reaching 8th lap is unrealistic for them.

Past races it was usually at least few teams exceeding 4 laps in group but this race is a first one in its kind then majority of players seems just not to care.

I guess SP should reajust their race policy and make it more user friendly for a low level users which dont get nothing except frustration.

With recent introduction of inviting friends system I have managed to bring in few friends in game, sadly none of them remained playing. This game is not new user friendly!

I agree. Just giving lower players team point of view as I said a few days ago. Well we made it to lap 5, the 1st epic breeding made it together with countless pvps. We usually qualify and were lucky to get a pool of teams that would allow a 1st tier ranking. This time, we get an epic, well, I should never have spent gems here or there on that, and dont think I will again.

I understand there are different types of teams and different viewpoints. You cannot be fair to everybody. However, I could clearly see, around mid-race, that motivating players was getting hard. In a team where 2/3 are aound lvl 30 to 40, passionate but limited in capacity, high lvls do gems, food, gold, then get nothing. Nobody was thrilled and we have now come to a halt. Race was fun before, you could quickly see if other teams were serious or not, and you had to fight your way to remain floating in the acceptable reward bracket.

Now the objective, for our team, is impossible. Ppl realize that. Epic or legendary breeding as soon as lap 4, pvp constantly, other gem-eating events and offers in parallel... well, that kills it for new players and lower lvls.

SP, I understand high lvl players spent lots, but even them dont seem unanimous at all. And without new blood injected in the game, it will slowly die.

Humble personal opinion from very personal feelings. I understand you may completely have a different game experience.

I hope I am not offending anyone by raising this point. But I don’t understand it. How is it possible for the team on the first place in the race to spend so much on skipping nodes - my team has been matched before with them and we could see them jumping node after node - while they seem to spend so little on runes and other monsters? I mean, most of their leaders have lvl 5-6 runes on their monsters, few Nemesis/VIP monsters and generally not very competitive monsters (except those from past races)... I don’t want to start a conspiracy theory if not the case, but to me this seems very strange. Is there something I am missing?

@opinurmynd I'm with you we. Sully get 5 y laps and get the bottom legendary it took a number of the team using gems for us to get the 5th lap and yet we ge t a soap Sam that is crapp IMHO we would have been better off ignoring the race and working on team wars. Bad change for smaller teams

@jizzusdoe Second team is not too much away from 1st here. 164-180 laps should consume enormous amount of gems and apparently money to purchase gems.

If those teams have such a many money/gems, why its members not seems like they are very rich? Not too much nemesises, not too high monster levels, not too high runes.. com`on

My team wins races against similar looking teams all the time and yet none was spending such a amounts of gems!

I would understand to see there some of top 10 teams but averagely looking #136 and #213?

Something is very fishy there.

Second team is ****, a youtube channel, and theyre whole youtube channel is much about spending gems to show things´on chest etc etc. First team is probably a lead who just loves to spend all his money when race. I am not thinking there is something fishy going on. Just 2 teams who doesnt care about money or worth. Why top teams dont wanna compete with them, well i guess they have a brain XD. Anyways congratz to both *** ***** and Team **** for an insane showoff of laps! I think they deserve that more than fishy suspicions.

I do agree this race was tough and expensive, SO much pvps XD, happy at lap 50 + and race soon over!

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@AndyM and @jizzusdoe please dont do this you havent got any proof of wrong doing. If you think it needs to be reported then report to support. The no 2 raced many races like this their former big win was 131 I believe

I am from Team **** ( just recently joined them) so being an almost outsider I can tell you that they spend A LOT of money (at least while I've been here and as a proof is my recently Toy Master at level 120, bought only with war coins at the last frat event, through he was previously at level 105). And like another gamer said already, you can also check Team ****'s Channel on Youtube if you still have any doubts. You'll see that she and other teammates loves to spend in the game, not for getting faster at the top, but just to play with expensive things (I would do the same if I could, but I'm more of a free-to-play player). And about the first team, well I can't tell you much just that they move REALLY fast (but I'm not here to bash them or to throw accusations), so...yeah, Team **** is buying gems and not hacking.

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@Marianne-van-Es I completely agree! If they had done 1,000 Laps, it would be suspicious! Teams of 25-30 VERY ACTIVE players can breeze through these Quests! Some Teams choose to spend ALOT & that is their choice! Our Team has spent very little & are on the 4 Node of the 10th Lap & are thrilled to be in 3rd place! We have also done this with just 19 players & 4 of those just started on Friday with our Team! They have worked as hard as the “veterans” on the TEAM as well!

I don’t like the constant EPIC BREEDING on almost every Lap nor the crazy nearly impossible amounts of Gold/Food to collect in the Joint Effort Tasks, but it is what it is! I also don’t like they doubled the amount of points to get our 5 million Food for Individual Rewards!

Wherever the list of Epic Quests came from, this made a huge difference for us as well! We could prepare for it & started breeding Epics the day we got it! 4 of us put in Epics to rank up & were ready when that came up!

One thing we can all agree on is getting the Race Monster for 10+ laps was a huge plus! We are very excited about that!

@MamawJane the list came for the most part from the no 2 team Im very grateful to them for sharing

I was not asking about the 2 place team, I know them and I know they are well organised and use gems to skip difficult nodes, mainly epic breedings. I am in a team that functions the same and we have a similar approach and very good performance in races. However, we also invest in runes and in monsters. I am not talking about loads of cash, but the minimum to keep our team competitive.

This is not the case with the first place team. Some of them have a single 5 lvl rune on Kihaku. They don’t seem to be competitive, not even enough to make the game fun and use their race monsters. Also, what’s up with having NO WAR LOG?

I am not accusing anyone of wrongdoing, I am just asking how is this possible cause to me it doesn’t make any sense. I am more than happy if somebody can actually explain it for me. Again, no accusation, just some facts that everyone can observe and the wish to understand how this works.

@jizzusdoe No War log is an option you can use as lead, ask your own lead more teams dont have a war log. this is the only fact I can give you

again if you think there is something wrong please send a ticket to support, it could be they just love racing.

@jizzusdoe How possible? Lead can be a billionaire (rich) and skip stuff like crazie, his team-members just random members like in most teams, riding that banana boat. Doesnt need to be more complicated then that. (just an example)

Lead can chose to hide warlog these days

@Marianne-van-Es Us too! It may not be much for some but we only had 19 players who qualified for Individual Rewards & the other 6-8 did nothing so they were booted Wednesday night! We made our 10 laps & knowing when the EPIC Quests were coming gave us a chance to prepare! We still sped them up but did have some Epics ready so it wasn’t as expensive! I gave my opinions of likes & dislikes below! I hope they give us a month to recover from this one & take all our suggestions/feedback & use it!

I have decided to stop wasting my time on this game. After 2 years its time to let it go. None of my friends remained playing it anyway.

Deleting game from devices and forum acount.

Keep having fun with this great game guys.

AndyM

@jizzusdoe said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

This is not the case with the first place team. Some of them have a single 5 lvl rune on Kihaku. They don’t seem to be competitive, not even enough to make the game fun and use their race monsters. Also, what’s up with having NO WAR LOG?

From what I understood the # 1 team mainly has one big spender who gems the tasks. They probably are just as legit as the # 2 and # 3.

The bigger question of course is: why all that time, effort and resources in races when you do not even use the monsters you get properly. If you use all that time and money to rank the 'basic necessities' to 130 (even if they are only Teamshop monsters), and strategize and organize in war you can compete at a high level. Battling is the core of the game, and that is imo where everyone's main focus should be. Races should be one way to advance for wars and pvp, not just be a mind numbingly stupid goal in itself.

Of course some people are collectors, but you only needed ten laps to get the monster this time.

@Ekto-Gamat said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

The bigger question of course is: why all that time, effort and resources in races when you do not even use the monsters you get properly. If you use all that time and money to rank the 'basic necessities' to 130 (even if they are only Teamshop monsters), and strategize and organize in war you can compete at a high level. Battling is the core of the game, and that is imo where everyone's main focus should be. Races should be one way to advance for wars and pvp, not just be a mind numbingly stupid goal in itself.

this could be of culture differences, in lots of cultures status is shown by how much money you can spend.

@Marianne-van-Es said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

@Ekto-Gamat said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

The bigger question of course is: why all that time, effort and resources in races when you do not even use the monsters you get properly. If you use all that time and money to rank the 'basic necessities' to 130 (even if they are only Teamshop monsters), and strategize and organize in war you can compete at a high level. Battling is the core of the game, and that is imo where everyone's main focus should be. Races should be one way to advance for wars and pvp, not just be a mind numbingly stupid goal in itself.

this could be of culture differences, in lots of cultures status is shown by how much money you can spend.

Or it is just the competitive element.

In races these teams can be at the very top, while in wars they would still lose to the biggest teams, even with the best of efforts, because not enough of them are high spenders to rank Nemesis/VIPS and move runes. And that is assuming they actually do know how to play.

@Ekto-Gamat yes you only need 1 spender in a team

And look, the # 1 and # 2 swapped places in the end. Poor monkeys.

Back to some actual feedback, @Fox :

Positives:

• Fairer reward system and therefore less team jumping.
• The global ranking. I am sure this generated a lot more money for SP and an amusing spectacle for others

Negatives:

• There still was quite a lot of team jumping. The reward for the # 1 position in your own bracket (80 elementium and a load of nature cells) was too high to stop people from doing this. Jumpers are still being rewarded for exploiting this loophole.
• The cost of the laps. Many strong indications that the average cost per lap was significantly higher than usual. This lures players into aiming for a target (18, 25, 50 laps), assuming the cost would be as they are used to. Once they started overspending it is difficult to 'crawl back' and settle for a lower objective. Not very nice. If SP feels a certain amount of spending was needed to make a maximum profit either announce the increased cost per lap, or simply set the laps higher.

i will leave some feedback too, done 18 laps ...position 8 in my bracket, for 10 elementium, few nature elemental , a rank 2 legendary , more gems spent and a lot more stress...from my point of view the rewards are way too low for lower ranking teams not to be tempted to jump where you know that you gonna do your 25 laps and get your prize no matter what instead of collecting dust from teams that go 100+ laps , in this type of race, teams just pushed each other to more spending and ( which i guess is what SP is aiming at ) in the end only top of the brackets got properly rewarded for the effort/ gems spent the rest of us got 10 elementium vs.70 elementium in a normal race for more money/ gems spent ...fairer reward for whom ? the majority got a soap sam

@ Ekto-Gamat
I don't understand the negative feedback of "quite a lot of team jumping."
The reward for the #1 position was 80 elementium and 150 nature cells ONLY IF you happen to have a top 100 team in your bracket.

If teams were jumping, they would most likely find themselves in a under 5000 bracket where the 1st place reward was 20 elementium and 20 nature cells.
Even if they somehow ended up in a top 5000 race team, the reward would have been 50 elementium and 40 nature cells.

@ArmorGaming He meant that jumpers tried to reach a bracket with a top 100 team to get better rewards from what I understand. And indeed as long as there will be such differences in rewards there will always be a proportion of parasites jumping where the grass is greener.

@ArmorGaming said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

@ Ekto-Gamat
I don't understand the negative feedback of "quite a lot of team jumping."
The reward for the #1 position was 80 elementium and 150 nature cells ONLY IF you happen to have a top 100 team in your bracket.

If teams were jumping, they would most likely find themselves in a under 5000 bracket where the 1st place reward was 20 elementium and 20 nature cells.
Even if they somehow ended up in a top 5000 race team, the reward would have been 50 elementium and 40 nature cells.

This is a good thing indeed, and a laudable attempt from SP to stop the jumping. Fact is though, higher level teams were still jumping. Which either means they are idiots, or they were still able to find the right brackets for an optimised profit. I hope it's the first, and if it is I retract that part of my negative feedback.

@Ekto-Gamat As I can't imagine how you would run a "top 100" race team, you would have to count on incredible bordering impossible luck that your rank #3643 race team ends up with with a top 100 team which leads me to the conclusion that your first assumption might be correct!

@Ekto-Gamat coming first in the second bracket (top 5000), reward of 50 elementium and 40 nature cells is still better than say coming 7th or lower in a top bracket (top100). So there is a sensible conclusion of jumping to a winnable race on a race team does offer a profit.

@David-ML said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

@Ekto-Gamat As I can't imagine how you would run a "top 100" race team, you would have to count on incredible bordering impossible luck that your rank #3643 race team ends up with with a top 100 team which leads me to the conclusion that your first assumption might be correct!

I think you can if you push half of your team to the race team shortly before the race starts. Some teams are probably strong enough to be top 100 on the merits of unique monsters and MP of half of their members only. Really a lot of hassle though, so let's assume for now that most teams that jumped did this because it had become a habit.

edit: or not, re: Nathan's comment.

@Ekto-Gamat better? Lol

Ok so we were match in a tough race pool including a team that came 2nd overall in laps. So our team decided to jump to one of our race teams. We noticed that even though before the race our race team was ranked below 5000 so we had the last tier of rewards. However after moving our entire members to this team our ranking was in the top 5000. So our rewards were adjusted to the second tier of rewards, this shows that the rewards and ranking are not cemented in before the race as rankings are fluid as they constantly change.

No other team in our race pool qualified for any rewards, so we have not cheated anyone out of a 1st place reward. However our reward at this level is better than what we would have been able to achieve in a much harder race pool. We would have had to place at least 3rd in our old pool to get more elementium than what we got on our race team ( i do not count the smaller amount of elemental cells as a major loss as elementium is much more valuable).

Hope this explains something lol.

Race is over. Finally.
Good:
Everyone who put in some effort got the monster
The overall cost progression (nodes you have to pay with gems) was lower.
The reduced price for the 1st place reduced jumping alot.
Bad:
Teams who put in alot of effort were rewarded less (they usually got 2 legends).
The nodes could use a little tweaking (too many repitive missions).
It is still hard for a casual player team (with members logging in twice a day for say 20 minutes) to get things done.

Overall thought:
It was interesting to see that sp draws the line at the one star monster. Till then it was only one task with 19 epic. After lap 12 the really hard stuff started. It could still use a bit of tweaking because the gap between 1 star and 2 star was harder then between 2 star and 3 star.

With some tweaking I think that could be the way race should be.

@Nathan-Woods said in Grand Prix Race - FEEDBACK:

Ok so we were match in a tough race pool including a team that came 2nd overall in laps. So our team decided to jump to one of our race teams. We noticed that even though before the race our race team was ranked below 5000 so we had the last tier of rewards. However after moving our entire members to this team our ranking was in the top 5000. So our rewards were adjusted to the second tier of rewards, this shows that the rewards and ranking are not cemented in before the race as rankings are fluid as they constantly change.

And there goes the hope that SP implemented a mechanism to prevent team jumping @Fox I hope this is an error and will be fixed as otherwise the whole jumping schamozzel will start all over again as teams realise that the rewards will be adjusted!!!