Dear all,

by Chance of 50/50 how is it possible?

I will not complain, if there are 3-4 nemesis cells included, but this is already too much for me. I agree, thats all just about luck, but from 8 packages? On top the real price is 54,99 Euro and not 49,99 USD

@Vaclav-Vetrak in 8 packages you bought you didnt get any nemesis cells? Is this in past 3 days you bought this or this includes purchaches during the previous nemesis dungeons?

@Marianne-van-Es it was the purchase from yesterday. Sorry about all the complains here in forum, but as you can see there is no luck in this game for me ... and somehow I feel that all the purchases are pure waste of money!

I also purchased 8 individual packs yesterday and got no Sammy. I know it is entirely possible these are just two instances of bad luck. But come on, 8 times in a row and no luck at 50% chance?
But the point I would like to make is that, as much as I enjoy playing computer games, I hate gambling. And, without any doubt, this is gambling. They kind of trick you into it cause 50% sounds like okay, I buy a few and I will get what I want, when in fact it's like going in a casino. Imo, this should be illegal if played by kids under 18.
I would have much preferred to purchase 50 cells at double the price and have 100% chance of getting what I paid for. But selling something at a honest price is not a good business anymore when you can trick people.

@Vaclav-Vetrak but did you buy 8 chests and got no Nemesis cells?

Dont like this way of selling don't like to gamble, specially with that kind of money even at 50% I know i get the wrong one. Only willing to spend that kind of money on a sure thing

@jizzusdoe so you bought 8 packs for 54 euro and didnt get any nemesis cells?

I bought 8 individual packs in a row at 8 euros per pack, so got to pay 64 euros. I figured that I only needed 50 cells to craft a Sammy, so buying 8 packs at once was not really necessary. Little did I know...
Of course, I cannot prove wrongdoing, but they cannot prove fairness either, so it is a moot point.

Getting 0 Nemeses from 8 packs in this deal is a chance of 1/256.

Having 2 people report such bad luck is certainly worth investigating.

If this happened to me, I would have immediately requested a refund through Google/Apple or through my credit card!!!

@David-ML i wrote already to support and asked for compensation or possible refund, but i do not expect positive feedback or some solution from The m based in ne experiences. Such a result i cannot accept, if i both 8 nemesis chests for 54,99 euro! Sorry, the chance of 50/50 must be lower

I reported it too I think 2 players that havent got any nemesis cells out of 8 chests each is absolutely worth to ask

@Vaclav-Vetrak I wouldn't go through their bang-your-head-against-a-wall-support and claim a refund straight through Google or Apple. Heck, I'd even do a reverse charge through my credit card if necessary!!!

Its been investigated and tested after I asked the result were SP got the nemesis cells 5 out of 8 times

@Marianne-van-Es nice, if your tests are successful, but in reality it looks different. Atleast i know, that the Investment in this game makes no more sense to me. Its time to switch to free to play, with such a result i cannot be happy. As you wrote Marienne several times, gambling, but such a result was also not expected by me. I hope for other players, they will have more luck as me.

@Vaclav-Vetrak Its not my testing Im a player like you. Its SP who did the testing after this thread was opened.
I understand your decision but you also can choose not to gamble and still be a p2w thats an option too, I use it myself I buy gems sometimes but I rarely (3x) use them on gambling. end never for high gem prices

I also avoid gambling as much as possible, but in case of Nemesis monsters, I am forced to do it, at least until I have 80 cells for the monsters I want. Like I said before, I would much prefer that I purchase directly what I want for a well established price, even if higher. This is my main complain, that they force us to do it.
Now, let’s face it, SP use this gambling cause it is more advantageous for them. First, I suspect that for many players the rate is lower and they have to keep trying until they get a Nemesis, like it happened to me. Secondly, they may get a Nemesis type that they are not after. Which is useless cause we cannot give them to other team members. And, btw, there is no disclosure regarding the chances of getting the premium version of Nemesis. All in all, I find it very frustrating, as anyone can imagine.

@jizzusdoe said in Nemesis 50/50 chance, why not?:

I also avoid gambling as much as possible, but in case of Nemesis monsters, I am forced to do it, at least until I have 80 cells for the monsters I want.

Nobody is forcing you Im on 75 cells of Sammy so 5 cells away from crafting stage, sure I want those last 5 cells but Im going to wait for next Nemesis Dungeon to get those last 5 cells

Now, let’s face it, SP use this gambling cause it is more advantageous for them. First, I suspect that for many players the rate is lower and they have to keep trying until they get a Nemesis, like it happened to me. Secondly, they may get a Nemesis type that they are not after. Which is useless cause we cannot give them to other team members. And, btw, there is no disclosure regarding the chances of getting the premium version of Nemesis. All in all, I find it very frustrating, as anyone can imagine.

sure its setup you want to spend on the game nothing strange there but still doesnt mean you have to buy chests and (almost) all Nemesis are strong also the "normal" version

I agree with you about the part of giving the percentages of the chest content btw

I meant that gambling is the only way to get something, not that somebody is pointing a gun at my head to buy. I am sure you don’t mean it, but it is a bit insulting when you state the obvious to someone who actually is trying to make a very different point. I see that quite often in your comments.

@jizzusdoe that's because everybody always says that they are being forced, thats what I see lots in posts, just because your in a hurry to get a monster Its not the only way to get it

I guess you were the only person on this forum that, reading my post, imagined that SP came knocking at my door and forced me to give them the money...

Seriously now, I see that you are extremely active on this forum and on Discord, but I really don’t think everybody expects a response from you, especially when you have nothing of substance to say.

@jizzusdoe your stating a point - that point isnt accurate - Im Mod so i moderate.
this is the last statement I will make about it. It isnt on topic anymore, it already was not complete on-topic in the first place the OP had a complain about the bought chests not having 50% Nemesis cells in them.

@Marianne-van-Es i know, that you are player as me, but in general answer, that it was tested by SP and everything is correct, sorry, but is not. Its gambling, agree, but such a result as i had, also for gambling not acceptable. There must be some minimum on cells, what the player will get by chance 50/50. From the statistic point of view 1 of 40.320 players need to count with such a result. Sorry, the percentage is too low to be just the 1 player of 40.320!!! On top, this was not first time, what i get the minimum. To purchase something in this game is not motivated for me at all, missing luck for me and the chance is too low

@Vaclav-Vetrak i really understand your point of view but I can only report a problem when I see one, in this case I saw one. After I asked they checked and tested this was the result out of the test.

@Marianne-van-Es fully agree with you, its not your task. I was also not expected another answer from SP as everything is fine, just bad luck, etc ... . Just pity, that something like this can happen. My decision is known to you, thanks for discussion

@Marianne-van-Es reading through the above discussion, I am with @jizzusdoe

There are a number of items in the game (and it seems that number is increasing) that you cannot just buy for a set value. If you want that set item/monster you must gamble, there is no other way. Whether you call it forcing or not, SP don't give you a choice when you want to spend money on one of these things and that is just total utter rubbish!!!

@David-ML & @jizzusdoe thanks for your support guys

@David-ML said in Nemesis 50/50 chance, why not?:

@Marianne-van-Es reading through the above discussion, I am with @jizzusdoe

There are a number of items in the game (and it seems that number is increasing) that you cannot just buy for a set value. If you want that set item/monster you must gamble, there is no other way. Whether you call it forcing or not, SP don't give you a choice when you want to spend money on one of these things and that is just total utter rubbish!!!

Apparently the World Health Organization now thinks that gaming addiction is an increasingly serious problem.

Mechanisms that shamelessly take advantage of gaming addiction and possibly add a layer of gambling addiction will hopefully be subjected to more strict laws in the future.

On Topic: yes, Vaclav and the other poster may simply have been extremely unlucky. Or the odds were (accidentally) rigged for a short period of time. Not really a way to find out.

@Ekto-Gamat said in Nemesis 50/50 chance, why not?:

Mechanisms that shamelessly take advantage of gaming addiction and possibly add a layer of gambling addiction will hopefully be subjected to more strict laws in the future.

The sooner the better!!!

Good evening, I was reading this topic and I decided to tell my experience about the Nemesis chests; also to inform readers if it was a good or a bad idea to buy these chests.
I bought the chest of 8 Warthak packages, and this is what i found:
50 chocolove-50 fightreer- 50 monky- 50 the warrior- 50 mommy- 50 igursus - 50 warthak base version - 50 warthak dark version.
Than I bought the chest of 8 Llum packages, and this is what i found:
50 lagerchaun - 50 ithiander- 50 nebotus - 50 violet - 50 polaris sea - 100 llum light version - 50 Llum magic version.

I am very disappointed, I was very unlucky, only 5/16 Nemesis cells, It's not worth it, the probability isn't 50%.

I buy the single pack chests. I have been buying them since they offered. I usually buy 1 of the chests per element. I think I’ve got 50/50 maybe a little better.
Only wish they narrowed down the monster cells you can get for misses. If you don’t get Nemesis cells the 50 you get are always from completely garbage monsters that you would never rank or even hatch because they aren’t worth a habitat slot.
Like if it was a pool of the 9 wonders, magnificent 9, splendid 9 or whatever. It wouldn’t sting as bad as 50 hayman cells lol

@Espeon getting 5/16 with a chance of 50% is not strange at all, and no indication that the odds are not as advertised.

Having 2 players getting 0 Nemesis from 16 chests however, is something to investigate.

@David-ML I told numerous times im against chests, I hate the whole concept of them but In this case you dont need to buy them but be patient till next nemesis dungeon comes around, I myself have numerous nemesis that all are stuck on 75 cell I dont go buy them

If the subject was the birthday candle event then I would have agreed although no gun to the head if you wanted to participate you needed all candles and some of them where to hard to get and even I felt the need to gamble

And yes I also hope for a change in law that there will be a ban on the chests or crates, the whole mechanics of them

For what it's worth, the question of legality of games of chance that involve real currency within video games is being handled differently by different countries, and the question can be a complex issue for many of the reasons discussed in this thread. In Belgium they are illegal and producers of games can face both monetary penalties and prison time, while other countries like Great Britain have largely ruled them legal. Many major video game companies like EA are being forced to either avoid certain countries or remove features in those countries.

Personally, I purchased 9 individual Sammael boxes, and received enough cells for a plague carrier and disease spreader. I also happen to dislike the gambling nature of the model and would spend more overall if I could purchase a predetermined monster at a set rate. I essentially paid around $50 for a single virtual monster in a game I won't be playing a year from now. I'm comfortable with the concept of spending money on or in games, and philosophically view it little different from a game like an MMORPG with a monthly subscription. But the proposition of spending anywhere from $14 to what could be hundreds of dollars for a monster in a game of chance is not my cup of tea even with a significant disposable income.

I do suspect that the original poster here was just unlucky. Had they known that their Nemesis was going to be the one that cost hundreds of dollars to get they probably would have made a different choice.