I bought Darmith's Bodyguard for a single move: "fire cursed".

I spent months and a lot of coins to rank it to level 130 for this single move.

I built a specific strategy to use him, and for this single purpose I bought the correct monsters and ranked them using lots of gems.

Now Social Point changed this move, and an entire year of efforts has suddendly gone to the toilet.

So I just want to thank very very much all developers and the entire Social Point company to be so great, so true, so fantastic.

I sincerely wish you alle the best and truly hope you all have a long and happy life.

Cheers.

ps: Waiting for a compensation. Thanks.

Why should they compensate you? I think it was very obvious this skill was bugged, and WAS going to be fixed. Plus he's still a a really good supportive fire legend. Just give him different runes, and skills. Then your set using him as such. Like I did running mine with all speed as an anti-controller + support for my team.

You clearly missed the point.

Nothing was OBVIOUS, I did non receive any advice from Social Point that this monster was bugged and that they would change it.
It's not my fault anyway.

I simply found a good monster with a good skill and decided to rank it up: please consider that the skills never changed IN MONTHS!

It's still a good monster? Of course, but is no more what I need and what I'm looking for!
If I knew,I should have spent my coins on other monsters... Nishant Bodyguard, probably.

What a waste of coins for a monster that now is only a little better than Vadamagma (ps: vadamagma has a good move with 0 cooldown, so maybe he's not even better lol).

@Jimmy The skill description CLEARLY says that it does the damage first THEN it gives the Fire Weakness. It was obvious this was to be addressed soon. You took a risk when you did all that work with ranking him up and stuff.

I'm reading the description in this very moment (italian version) and it does not says that the fire weakness is applied AFTER. Absolutely not.

Ps: "this was to be addressed soon": soon?
Do you remeber exactly when the monster was released?

Anyway, I see that this is not a big problem for big spenders , lol.

Well the English version says that it gives the damage first. I agree that "soon" wasn't the best word to use in that situation but it was a matter of time before something was done about it.

Just like The Ringer, Death Knell doing 70 damage was considered overpowered considering that the norm for AOEs like that was 30 or 35 damage back then but in my opinion, he wasn't worth getting if he only did 30 damage back then.

They should have kept it at 70 damage since he's not being used much anymore because of his obsolescence with the addition of new dark monsters.

@Eiwinskaller

"lost in traslation", then

@Jimmy said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

So I just want to thank very very much all developers and the entire Social Point company to be so great, so true, so fantastic.

Actually, I think you can thank Sam.

https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/8030/intended-or-bug

@C0ntr1v3d

Thank you very much @sam, I wish you all the best.

@Jimmy
well honey I wish u all the best too.

I invested months in many other monsters too, and also did not like them being wiped away by a single move if they just missed him, that was not fair either

I am glad a move that was not working as intended and basically a win button was fixed.

now the world is a safe place.

@Jimmy said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

now the world is a safe place.

Yup ^_^ that much fire damage was a factor in global warming.

@Sam now you can go back to losing to Volt, Zyla, Demise/Rocigon/Sameal+anyone, and a number of other monsters that are auto wins if they get a turn and land their move. Or maybe you can complain about them too.

This nerf or bug fix or whatever you want to call it came completely out of nowhere and totally unexpected. I am halfway through ranking him and now I can't even enjoy the one reason why I decide to go for him instead of Nishant's BG. And at the same time there is Nautilus who is continuing to sport his very obviously bugged skill Prey Becomes a Hunter. Amongst eventing that's out in the field now, this balancing is completely unnecessary and uncalled for. Not happy at all!!!

@David-ML there was a call for it so not uncalled for.
Im where you are I think I just bought enough to make it 130 he will still be a very good monster only not what he was.
As for Nautilus there seems to be a discussion in the team what to do with him. Like to be a fly on the wall for that

@Marianne-van-Es DBG has been out for a long time and with the current power surge of Nemesis and Warmasters, this skill was not unbalanced. Maybe when it came out, but not now. I'll try to get my war coins back, so I can get Nishant's BG instead. This skill was the one reason I went for DBG. Yes, he is still a great support monster and if I had a different roster I maybe wouldn't mind so much, but I wanted another primary fire hitter, not a supporter!!!

@David-ML Im not saying I wanted this change I only said someone (no naming names) called for it, Devs reviewed it and saw his point of view, so its a fix.

i think the people who had darmith's bodyguard and took advantage of his bugged skill should be happy they did so for how long or little it lasted.
as for compensation, you really want the ml staff to say sorry? you did have an unfair advantage and you made the most out of it since you based your whole game around it. whole strategies just for the one monster, for the one skill.
so yeah, fairness? you got what you got out of it. that is more than other people that went for nishant's bodyguard got, because that one doesn't have bugged skills and wasn't good enough for you. now you want, after taking full advantage of it for sp to give you back the coins so you get a little bit more out of getting the most out of a bug that unbalanced things?
are we even condoning such threads as this one? please, moderators, lock this thing.

@Rage

@Rage
If I close this thread I should close all treads where people disagree, as long as we stay civil I don see any reason to close it.

I dont agree with OP and believe me I also have bought enough DBG to get him to 130 I think he still is a good Monster.

But closing a threat because I and other players dont agree seems very strange should I close a topic from you if I think SP made the right decision but you think not?

@Marianne-van-Es said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

@Rage
If I close this thread I should close all treads where people disagree, as long as we stay civil I don see any reason to close it.

I dont agree with OP and believe me I also have bought enough DBG to get him to 130 I think he still is a good Monster.

But closing a threat because I and other players dont agree seems very strange should I close a topic from you if I think SP made the right decision but you think not?

it is not about agreeing and disagreeing. here you have a person saying "I got a monster that was bugged and i knew it was bugged, i took full advantage of a bug and i based all my gaming around this bug because it was giving me an insane advantage for a very low price. now that the unfair advantage is gone, on top of all my gains from abusing this bug, i demand from sp to say they are sorry and compensate me for taking full advantage of a bug so i can keep having an edge on top of the edge i created by abusing the bug."

See? Agreeing or not is not the point. The message of the OP's post was not weather DBG is still good or not or if he is worth his war coins now. Me saying DBG is still good or not and agreeing or not on that particular matter is besides the point.
There is nothing constructive or morally correct in the OP's message. I think the OP's message is just grounds for toxicity.

@Rage Not all saw/concluded the move was bugged. I agree with you that the post could have been put in less sarcastic way.
I see absolutely no point in compensation however I all so see some good suggestions coming from this thread like a warning if a longtime monster move is going to be changed, longer then a view days and I also I think a day that runes can be taken of for free is reasonable too. 3 times X remove 105 gems is not cheap

As support dbg is still great. I have ranked to 130 and sad for the nerf but actually I use his other support skills more b4 this point. He almost guarntees my hitter will get a turn. Aoe buff, neg remove. Stam regen. All good.

I send in a ticket asking them to remove the runes from DBG for free so that I can change them to the new needs.

I think that is very reasonable.

If they got time to do this fix they damn sure have time to fix the more obvious bugs in the game.
Nautilus, Gakora’s broken damage mirror, privateer Morgan pure punch move, the turn glitch with Timerion and Igursus, and many more we have been complaining about for months.

It's ridiculous to "fix" this after over a year, with so many people ranking up specifically for this attack. Could it have been announced sooner maybe? There are better fire supporters ( the Owl, firael) and many of us did not use him as such anyway.

Another horrible update, also it's not really as if this monster was hard to stop on defense, he isn't hardened or anything, can easily be possessed or stunned even by other fire monsters now...Nevermind I guess.

@testcyp by my knowledge time turn is fixed, gakora is fixed Nautilus they are as I said not in agreement in team.

@tintum you can agree or disagree a fix after a year is still a fix. I agree it would have been great to have more time before change but the outrage by many would still be the same.

@Marianne-van-Es thanks! Can you get an answer about this?
Edited as by forumrules
They change their mind?

@testcyp i think they did yes i think the are choosing clarity and unity in attacks discription
But I will ask

@Marianne-van-Es Support from my experience doesn't have insight in the game, and will just agree with you to end your post quicker. Making whatever they say not completely true to what "Fire Cursed" was supposed to do. Everyone can emit it was broken, and now he's more balanced.

@testcyp I didnt realize this was an answer from support, Please read the rules maybe its time: https://forums.socialpointgames.com/topic/4/forum-rules-and-guidelines. : rule no 4

@Rage

I agree that players who have taken advantage of an obvious bug have no cause to complain when that bug is corrected.

But this is not like Kihaku applying 100% possession and freeze on 0 CD with a 50% skill. I do not consider Darmith's Bodyguard was obviously bugged.

When queried, Support confirmed it was working as intended. And Ingenica's special used to apply possession and then trait disabled; when queried, the effect order was reversed, consistent with the way Fire Cursed was working since release.

I appreciate that other monsters like Nishant's Bodyguard with Niff apply damage and then weakness, but there was no reason to believe that Fire Cursed rather than Niff was wrong, or even for considering that all similar skills are intended to apply the order in the same way.

Applying Fire Weakness first in the resolution order certainly increased the damage very significantly against monsters without resistance (and most have resistance these days), but it was not a threat to game balance, on a readily available f2p monster.

@Jimmy I know They can't make a good update!! The Library Ruined it for me, I hate what they did. Who would think someone will work so hard to get a great monster... And than they change it. I replied in "WTF"

@testcyp maybe you can lay off and stop being bitter that would be nice too it was bugged they fixed it, get over it . Next time don't abuse bugged monsters because sooner or later they will be fixed. the end

@Sam Amen.

@C0ntr1v3d said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

@Rage

I agree that players who have taken advantage of an obvious bug have no cause to complain when that bug is corrected.

But this is not like Kihaku applying 100% possession and freeze on 0 CD with a 50% skill. I do not consider Darmith's Bodyguard was obviously bugged.

Just because you don't consider it does it make it any less true. Also i find it questionable that you consider a move doing 100% rather than 50% more obvious than a move that was doing massive damage and is more commonly used. unless you were keeping track of numbers and calculating %s there is no way a spotting a % difference is easier than spotting a move doing massive damage. I didn't even know about it till these threads, always thought the 50% possess/freeze meant either freeze or possess will land except if resisted, attributed it the times it landed to luck, and I even have the single possess/freeze that is more reliable and use it instead more often.

When queried, Support confirmed it was working as intended. And Ingenica's special used to apply possession and then trait disabled; when queried, the effect order was reversed, consistent with the way Fire Cursed was working since release.

yes because we all know support are very reliable in game mechanics. it takes me several tickets often for them to even know what i am talking about.

I appreciate that other monsters like Nishant's Bodyguard with Niff apply damage and then weakness, but there was no reason to believe that Fire Cursed rather than Niff was wrong, or even for considering that all similar skills are intended to apply the order in the same way.

They had SAME description. and it was not only Niff, it was also Kiridar and also every metal monster that does magnetized and Uther's special and G Nishant. Trait disable is completely different than weakness why do you keep making the comparison to that ONE move instead of comparison to the several moves that also do weaknesses? that makes no sense.

Applying Fire Weakness first in the resolution order certainly increased the damage very significantly against monsters without resistance (and most have resistance these days), but it was not a threat to game balance, on a readily available f2p monster.

guess what Kihaku is also readily available compared to others, he was in 72 hr challenge where low level accounts were able to get it easily, (We know we dont like that ) but "possess + freeze" is more serious threat when u have xiron applying megestun, mega possession and mega freeze + ignite? + pretty sure they can still be resisted even when they hit. he is in sea and water, a faster thetys which everyone has takes care of him. point is no he is not MORE game breaking than any other bugged monster.

and yes it was, maybe it was not a threat to your elite teams with nemesis and artifacts and all that but it was to us.
please tell me which readily available fire monster, dragon monster or team book monster has resistance to fire weakness? you keep claiming it fire resistance is so easy to avoid.. how exactly? if you are concerned about FTP most use Shallinar, Greedy, Vada, Igursus, megaosteum, who among these had a chance to resist fire weakness?

It was bugged, it was fixed, get over it people. Every bugged skill should be fixed. It does not matter if YOU believe it is affecting the game badly or not, and if people want to blame me, so be it, cry me a river but do not pretend it is anything more than being bitter u spent war coins on it and it no longer gives u easy wins... adjust ur strategy, go breed a vada he does good damage when ranked.

I am late to the party, so late that I ranked timerion to rank 5 yesterday and I'm almost done extracting my last darmiths bg for the same rank

Darmiths Bg is still usable as support, but I agree the change is very upsetting for a lot of people, some by the fact that people as @C0ntr1v3d mentioned, got confirmation from support that the skill was working as intended.

please all read rules, picture removed as by forum rules, rule 4

Timerion is still very useful, maybe meta will change a little due to this, since timerion as long as undertaker and ingenica are (for what I can see) the most non nemesis, warmasters used monsters on pvp, something that Darmiths BG was not.

@Sam

Thank you for your response, which I skimmed.

My post addressed one thing only: the proposition that players ranking and using Darmith's Bodyguard knew it had a bugged skill.

A request for clarification from Support, which received a specific and well written response demonstrating both understanding of the question and a definitive and reasoned answer, is most certainly grounds for believing the skill was working as intended and investing in the monster.

BTW, I strongly object to your suggestion that I am opposed to low level players getting free 72H monsters. My consistent position is and has always been that I support that it is an event meant to benefit less developed players, rather than advanced players.

@Sam I have less problem with SP changing fire cursed than with the inane reasons you give that it was game breaking.
You keep claiming massive damage and OSK whole teams but that just isn’t true. With a level 10 power rune DBG would do 37000 damage, not enough to kill anything but the lowest health 130’s. You needed to have 2 power runes on him to kill a team.
My Uria’s pet with 2 power runes will wipe out an entire side but nobody thinks that monster is overpowered. There’s probably 50 monsters in the game capable of wiping out a side with 2 power runes on them.
Guess I’ll go back to using the non overpowered free for all 130 igurus to attack.

@Marianne-van-Es said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

@testcyp by my knowledge time turn is fixed, gakora is fixed Nautilus they are as I said not in agreement in team.

How can anyone not be in agreement about Nautilus? He is bugged, very bugged and should have been fixed ages ago. He is completely OP in full Epic wars. This is time for SP to be consistent and fix everything that is clearly bugged.

Fix the whale and compensate anyone who wants to with another epic with the same number of stars.

@Ekto-Gamat Lol Im only the messenger and tell you what is been said to me and this is whats been said to me (dont shoot the messenger ;))

If taringa gets it right, skull Rivera will have an attack that behaves like nautilus does, Giving him an extra turn per hit landed, I wonder if SP is going to fix the skill behavior or the description, skull's seem to have a very high cooldown though.

I don’t understand why people are not getting its social point that brings these monsters out they release with bugs or flaws or whatever u want to call it then people realise this spend time and gems on the monster to give them some sort of advantage which they do need in this game as the constant changes that are happening or the constant misses that are going on that sp say nope no change or just pandering to the whales that want to buy success what I’m getting at as I said in another post it is sp that does this. Now if for example kihuki 50% isn’t working correctly sp come out a week or so after then say so then fix. Players would have no problem with that but that is never what happens social let it go on for months years case in point nautilus after players had spent countless hours money gems whatever for social point to come out and say oh there is a problem we will fix it move onto next monster there probably won’t be anything wrong with it that’s what is so frustrating with this game and way social point run things end of whine ekto

I agree. Bugs should be fixed within a week or two. Then the monster should never be changed again.

Fixing a "bug" a year later is ridiculous.

@GrnXnham I agree. After many many months I spent enough team skip coins to get DBG to level 130 and then he gets nerfed. What a crock. Nobody realized the skill was wrong for a year? (rhetorical question since other skills apply the same way and it wasn't like there had been zero discussion in the year plus of time).

Thank goodness we have people like Sam who can complain about what's fair and not fair. The game has dozens of 'bugs' which never get fixed so they go and take care of this one.

@Sam said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

@C0ntr1v3d said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

When queried, Support confirmed it was working as intended. And Ingenica's special used to apply possession and then trait disabled; when queried, the effect order was reversed, consistent with the way Fire Cursed was working since release.

yes because we all know support are very reliable in game mechanics. it takes me several tickets often for them to even know what i am talking about.

It's good to know that you are persistent in your whining. Keep up the good work in getting the game adjusted to suit you. /s

@Dudester said in Darmith's Bodyguard:

Thank goodness we have people like Sam who can complain about what's fair and not fair. The game has dozens of 'bugs' which never get fixed so they go and take care of this one.

Bugs should be fixed, All of them. Even if it takes 3 years. All of the comments here should be a signal to SP: if you touch one of F2P's fan favourites it's probably a very good idea to be consistent and fix everything. No exceptions. Compensations where justified.

Also agreed, it should be a signal to SP: improve QA.
Nobody would be complaining, if there wasn't a bug in the first place.
Fixing a bug after a year leads to inconveniences and it's totally fine that people (aka customers) voice their problems with that.

And I'm saying that while working in a QA department for a software company. It's not new that companies like to save some money there, but then they have to hear the justified complains too and might have to answer a little bit more tickets than they'd like.

Social point giving out kihuki cells u just know there trolling us now after the fix he will no longer hit any moves with any accuracy that is 100% guaranteed